discipline in western schools today... (edited) please read

[brooksieb]

there is a problem as you all know, there is not enough discipline in western schools today, when i was younger if you misbehaved you would get either the slap (minor offence) cane (very serious, and public humiliation) or the slipper (given by P.E teachers, known as P.T. back in the day) and back then i would not even tell my dad over fears of getting into more trouble, something has got to be done as these feral kids are misbehaving and ruining the education of other kids who want to learn and will become something when they grow older, in my mind both their parents and their kids should be called in to get the cane and if the parent does not come in the child gets double, and they got technology nowadays as well, so teachers cant lie about slapping their pupils (they should only slap them if it is a just reason) not a silly excuse. also i think that this should only be in borstalls, not mainstream schools.

and if there are any older folks on here now, how was it like in american, canadian, aussie, european schools at the time and when did slapping and the slipper stop

the change i have done is that it sould not be in mainstream schools only in borstall or special schools for kids that behave badly.

[Frigidus]

there is a problem as you all know, there is not enough discipline in western schools today, when i was younger if you misbehaved you would get either the slap (minor offence) cane (very serious, and public humiliation) or the slipper (given by P.E teachers, known as P.T. back in the day) and back then i would not even tell my dad over fears of getting into more trouble, something has got to be done as these feral kids are misbehaving and ruining the education of other kids who want to learn and will become something when they grow older, in my mind both their parents and their kids should be called in to get the cane and if the parent does not come in the child gets double, and they got technology nowadays as well, so teachers cant lie about slapping their pupils (they should only slap them if it is a just reason) not a silly excuse.

and if there are any older folks on here now, how was it like in american, canadian, aussie, european schools at the time and when did slapping and the slipper stop

Beating them isn't the correct answer to making them obey. No matter what the school does it's the parents that determine how they act. If they spoil them they'll act spoiled, if they spend time with them and actually care for them they'll turn out normal.

[brooksieb]

there is a problem as you all know, there is not enough discipline in western schools today, when i was younger if you misbehaved you would get either the slap (minor offence) cane (very serious, and public humiliation) or the slipper (given by P.E teachers, known as P.T. back in the day) and back then i would not even tell my dad over fears of getting into more trouble, something has got to be done as these feral kids are misbehaving and ruining the education of other kids who want to learn and will become something when they grow older, in my mind both their parents and their kids should be called in to get the cane and if the parent does not come in the child gets double, and they got technology nowadays as well, so teachers cant lie about slapping their pupils (they should only slap them if it is a just reason) not a silly excuse.

and if there are any older folks on here now, how was it like in american, canadian, aussie, european schools at the time and when did slapping and the slipper stop

Beating them isn't the correct answer to making them obey. No matter what the school does it's the parents that determine how they act. If they spoil them they'll act spoiled, if they spend time with them and actually care for them they'll turn out normal.

beating them, i never said anything like that, it is just a wake-up call and it is the correct awnser, kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools and anyway if they're good they won't be slapped or anything like that, if they're good they should be rewarded even better then they are now.

[darvlay]

Brooksieb, do you have any children?

[suggs]

Brooksieb, do you have any brains?

[darvlay]

there is a problem as you all know, there is not enough discipline in western schools today, when i was younger if you misbehaved you would get either the slap (minor offence) cane (very serious, and public humiliation) or the slipper (given by P.E teachers, known as P.T. back in the day) and back then i would not even tell my dad over fears of getting into more trouble, something has got to be done as these feral kids are misbehaving and ruining the education of other kids who want to learn and will become something when they grow older, in my mind both their parents and their kids should be called in to get the cane and if the parent does not come in the child gets double, and they got technology nowadays as well, so teachers cant lie about slapping their pupils (they should only slap them if it is a just reason) not a silly excuse.

and if there are any older folks on here now, how was it like in american, canadian, aussie, european schools at the time and when did slapping and the slipper stop

Beating them isn't the correct answer to making them obey. No matter what the school does it's the parents that determine how they act. If they spoil them they'll act spoiled, if they spend time with them and actually care for them they'll turn out normal.

beating them, i never said anything like that, it is just a wake-up call and it is the correct awnser, kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools and anyway if they're good they won't be slapped or anything like that, if they're good they should be rewarded even better then they are now.

If you want your kids to be disciplined send them to military school. If you want them to get an education, send them to regular school. Teachers are just that, teachers.

Who would want a stranger disciplining their child with force anyways? That's just inconceivable.

[suggs]

For once, Dave is spot on.
Bugger.

[btownmeggy]

When I was in primary and middle school, I received lots of corporal punishment in the form of paddlings, which was the only kind legal in my state in the 90s. A paddling is three hard smacks on the buttocks with a large wooden paddle. My first was at age 5 for writing on the walls in the bathroom. My last was at age 12 for telling a teacher to shut up.

Looking back, I'm so angry and disappointed in the school system and my parents for letting it happen. This physical abuse did nothing to turn me into the fine, upstanding citizen that I am today. It only fostered discontent with school and distrust in the adults who were supposed to be my guides to knowledge.

[Guiscard]

something has got to be done

This has been popping up in every one of your posts lately. The Daily Mail mantra.

Seriously. Think about what you're saying. We should cane the parents? Somehow technology will make lies impossible?

[ignotus]

As a potential school teacher (MA in history) I must admit that beating children is tempting...

But no! Beating children is not the answer!
Making children to like the subject you are teaching is more of a challenge. Researches show that child memorizes things better if they find it interesting. So making different games for pupils or role-playing (et cetera) is how I like to teach.

[unriggable]

Misbehaving is part of childhood. You can't take it away from anybody.

[Napoleon Ier]

Misbehaving is part of childhood. You can't take it away from anybody.

I entirely agree. But getting nailed for it is often an integral part of that experience.

[suggs]

Nail them up! Nail some sense into 'em!

[darvlay]

Misbehaving is part of childhood. You can't take it away from anybody.

I entirely agree. But getting nailed for it is often an integral part of that experience.

Valid point.

[unriggable]

Misbehaving is part of childhood. You can't take it away from anybody.

I entirely agree. But getting nailed for it is often an integral part of that experience.

True, but the degree which brooksie is describing is too harsh. It's only worth punishing if the student disrupts other people, if he isn't paying attention in class then let him be.

[Harijan]

Ban MTV.

[muy_thaiguy]

Well, discipline is often lacking in my generation (not all, but a good many) due to even parental spanking now to be considered child abuse, yet I have seen many kids that could use such as that (some older ones as well). It also stems from lack of parental guidelines, many parents of my generation (generation X if you will) come from the 60s peace movements and the likes, and many of them don't believe in discipline (seen it for myself), even though you could look at their parents and see a much different type of person (not always the case, but in general). Frankly, when I was young (5 years old or so), and if I did something bad, I would get a good spanking. As for the school system, sometimes you just need to put the fear of God into them, and they behave a lot more like that. I went to a Catholic elementary school, and boy if you were caught doing something you weren't supposed to, they put that fear right into you. When I went to the public Junior High, I could tell the difference, almost instantly. Those that had not been disciplined when younger tended to cause more trouble then those that were.

What I'm saying is that it needs to work both ways.

[freezie]

kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools

I can work that some people agree slapping kids in schools to discipline them should be brought back...



But..Wait up, I did VERY bad in spanish. VERY. Yet I worked twice as harder in the class than everyone else had. I should have been slapped for beeing a natural failure at spanish?

That is what you said sounds to me, and that is outwright wrong.

Anyway, beating children won't get the job done. If they don't want to learn and they parents don't want them to learn, kick them out of the school if they won't listen to the teachers.


Maybe not the solution either, but beating up someone will never be the solution.

[3mp3r0r]

i understand that it is more likely that if you discipline someone they will be more behaved, but that doesnt mean that it should be brought back.If you hit someone for doing someting wrong it will cause one of two things; 1) they will not do it again (desired effect) 2) they will rebel at a level more uncontrollable than current "rebellions"
As many people know when youre a teenager you tend to rebel, but seeing how past generations have already fought back and won us our freedom, and what are known as basic human rights (eg non-disciplinry actions), we have nothing to rebel to. This has caused a sort of paradox; if we rebel against our past generations we are conforming with what they rebeled against, which will be conforming -which we dont seem to want to do. But if we dont rebel we're conforming with the last generation which we also dont seem to do.
So if you bring something that we can rebel against then there is no doubt we will be a hell of a lot worse off as we will have a cause to fight for. AND if this is the cause that we will be fighting for we will win as it was just as easy, if not easier for YOUR generations to stop it

[Mjinga]

kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools

First, as a substitute teacher, I have never had discipline issues. Even in classrooms where I am warned beforehand that "My students are awful, they'll be a real handful." I never have trouble keeping them quiet and on task, and as a result, I am a sought-after substitute. It is very easy to make children behave. Force of personality is everything.

Second, and I don't say this to be unkind, but if we are using your command of spelling and grammar as an example I do not see that such discipline as you describe had much effect on the final result.

[Snorri1234]

kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools

First, as a substitute teacher, I have never had discipline issues. Even in classrooms where I am warned beforehand that "My students are awful, they'll be a real handful." I never have trouble keeping them quiet and on task, and as a result, I am a sought-after substitute. It is very easy to make children behave. Force of personality is everything.

I agree, it's the teachers fault if kids don't behave. I had many different teachers in highschool, and some managed to keep us all in check while others didn't.

[Iliad]

As a student I disagree.

And If my teacher in science had a cane last year I probably still could not have sat on a chair

[suggs]

All that happens is that the less intelligent kids get whacked.
Which is unfair. And I know, "life isnt fair" - but lets not give up too early, eh?

On a side note, i enjoy the slipper

[muy_thaiguy]

kids back then were doing really good in school, now look, alot of em are failing because they're is not enough discipline in schools

First, as a substitute teacher, I have never had discipline issues. Even in classrooms where I am warned beforehand that "My students are awful, they'll be a real handful." I never have trouble keeping them quiet and on task, and as a result, I am a sought-after substitute. It is very easy to make children behave. Force of personality is everything.

I agree, it's the teachers fault if kids don't behave. I had many different teachers in highschool, and some managed to keep us all in check while others didn't.

I've had subs try to tell our regular teachers that we were "rowdy, uncontrollable, and didn't listen to them," when we did exactly what we normally did during class.

[Mjinga]

This possibly speaks as to how you normally behave in the classroom, then, more than on the substitute's particular abnormality.