Woman kicked to death 'for being a goth' name these scum!

[brooksieb]

by naming them i mean naming their 1st and second names

A 15-year-old boy helped kick a young woman to death because she was a goth, a court has heard.

The teenager was in a gang of five who were "acting like a pack of wild animals" as they "savagely and mercilessly" attacked Sophie Lancaster, 20, and her boyfriend, Preston Crown Court heard.

Sophie, a gap-year student, had moments earlier begged the gang to stop beating her boyfriend, art student Robert Maltby, 21. The accused had started the violence, with a flying kick to the head of Mr Maltby, the jury was told.

The gang, "encouraging each other and laughing" punched, stamped and jumped on his head until he was unconscious, Michael Shorrock QC, opening the case for the prosecution, told the jury.

Sophie had pleaded with them to stop and tried to pull them away, witnesses to the attack, on August 10 last year, in Stubbylee Park, Bacup, Lancashire, told police.

But as she kneeled down, cradling her boyfriend's head on her lap, calling for help, the accused and another teen, who has already pleaded guilty to murder, turned on her.

The second boy, aged 15, at the time, kicked her in the head, with the accused joining in to kick and stamp on her head.

One witness, a boy, 15, who had tried to stop the violence, told police, "It looked like they were running over and just kicking her in the head, jumping up and down on their head... they were kicking her all over her head."

Mr Shorrock said the gang had turned on the young couple simply because they were Goths or "moshers" - and dressed differently to them.

When paramedics arrived they could not tell what sex Sophie was, such was the severity of injuries to her face. She died in hospital nearly two weeks later.

Mr Maltby survived but has not made a full recovery.

The accused, and four other youths, two aged 17 and one 16, have already pleaded guilty to grievous bodily harm to Mr Maltby.

But the accused denies murder, saying he took no part in the attack on Miss Lancaster.

None of the teenagers involved can be named because of their age.

[got tonkaed]

out of curiosity what would naming do, provided the guilty parties were punished as adults?

[Neoteny]

What a disgusting story.

[suggs]

No. Put them in gaol.
Try toleanfrom them. See if we can work out if society failed them, orwhether they are justhopeless nutters.
What possible good would naming themdo?
OOnce they get out in ten years time, there lives will be fucked beyon d repair anyway-punishment enough.
Hooray for damaged genes and Thatcher's children.

[jimboston]

There are already lots of names....

Hooligans... hoodlums... assholes... criminals... sociopaths... etc.

This behavior is in all ways vile and reprehensible.

This might be prosecuted as a "Hate Crime"... depends on the juridiction and age of the punks who did it.

Hate Crime is already one name too many... if you do this... you should get strung up by the b***s... not matter who you do it to or why you do it. The act itself is equally disgusting... not matter the race, creed, or subculture of the victim.

[Colossus]

This is one of those instances where having corporal punishment seems like it might be a good idea. I think these thugs should have the ever-loving shit kicked out of THEM. Then lock them up. First shit-kicking, then lock-up. Anything less is them getting off light. And I think their names should be made public. The public has a right to know identities of people who commit such horrendous acts. This is all assuming they're ultimately proven guilty of course, and should all occur after a guilty verdict is pronounced. The non-publishing of their names before they're found guilty of anything makes total sense to me.

[brooksieb]

if we name em there's more shame, they've broken someones right to life, so we should brake their' rights by naming them, naming them is nothing compared to kicking someone to death so hard they can't even identify their' gender.

[jimboston]

I am sorry... at 15 you KNOW this is wrong. These criminals should be prosecuted as adults.

Do they have "Hate Crime" statutes in the UK?

[got tonkaed]

if we name em there's more shame, they've broken someones right to life, so we should brake their' rights by naming them, naming them is nothing compared to kicking someone to death so hard they can't even identify their' gender.

it doesnt bring anyone back, doesnt harm their life chances any worse than a long stay in the prison system already would.

It is a horrific crime and should be punished as such. I just dont see the need to put the names out there i guess, though i cant see im really against it either.

Shame just isnt much of a functionality.

[jimboston]

You mean "publish their names".

Yes.

They should be treated in every way like adults.

[william18]

Why would the teens take it this far in the first place? If they really have a strong diapproval towards goths shouldn't they stop the beating when the person stops resisting? And if the person's unconscious then what's the point of continouing? This people must be either screwed up or really mad.

[william18]

Was this in the United Kingdom?

[Neoteny]

Perhaps jailed with a daily head-kicking perhaps? If they are found guilty, maybe the names should be released when they are of age? When you look at it from that perspective, what does a few years make?

[brooksieb]

if we name em there's more shame, they've broken someones right to life, so we should brake their' rights by naming them, naming them is nothing compared to kicking someone to death so hard they can't even identify their' gender.

it doesnt bring anyone back, doesnt harm their life chances any worse than a long stay in the prison system already would.

It is a horrific crime and should be punished as such. I just dont see the need to put the names out there i guess, though i cant see im really against it either.

Shame just isnt much of a functionality.

well for some kids going to prison is great! you get to go watch TV and do almost anything, when they get convicted of being guilty we should publish there names

[autoload]

Sickening.

[brooksieb]

Was this in the United Kingdom?

yes

[got tonkaed]

i find it rather unlikely brooksie that these kids when finding out how long they will likely be heading to prison for will react with excitement over the ability to watch sky sports.

I dont really have a problem with putting the names out, simply that shaming is in some capacity adequate or effective in doing something in this situation or in situations like it.

[william18]

I don't think hate crimes aren't nearly as bad in europe compared to North America. This is cased as first degree murder right

[jimboston]

if we name em there's more shame, they've broken someones right to life, so we should brake their' rights by naming them, naming them is nothing compared to kicking someone to death so hard they can't even identify their' gender.

it doesnt bring anyone back, doesnt harm their life chances any worse than a long stay in the prison system already would.

It is a horrific crime and should be punished as such. I just dont see the need to put the names out there i guess, though i cant see im really against it either.

Shame just isnt much of a functionality.

Brings shame to their family.

Sorry... the 13-15yo's are responsible for their own actions.

At the same time they grew up to be holligans because Mommy and Daddy F***ed Up! They should be shamed too.

[brooksieb]

i find it rather unlikely brooksie that these kids when finding out how long they will likely be heading to prison for will react with excitement over the ability to watch sky sports.

I dont really have a problem with putting the names out, simply that shaming is in some capacity adequate or effective in doing something in this situation or in situations like it.

well there streetrats, they probably have nothing but a piss encrusted matress at their house

[jimboston]

Perhaps jailed with a daily head-kicking perhaps? If they are found guilty, maybe the names should be released when they are of age? When you look at it from that perspective, what does a few years make?

How about the parents and friends of the victims can come by as often as they want for a free kick?

Limit one per day.

They can then be allowed to heal... only to get kicked again next week.

[got tonkaed]

i find the rubber stamped need to shame anyone whose ever associated with violent criminals rather infantile i guess.

I was under the impression that everyone had equal protection or obligation under the law. But i guess that goes away if your the family member of someone who commits a violent crime, because although you never commited a crime (or may not have i suppose) you are now to be forever known as the relation of someone who committed a violent crime.

Seems to match up with our ideal.

[brooksieb]

I don't think hate crimes aren't nearly as bad in europe compared to North America. This is cased as first degree murder right

well i think it is our gun laws too that keeps it down, if guns were legalised in the UK there would literally be chaos, much worse than america i think

[got tonkaed]

i find it rather unlikely brooksie that these kids when finding out how long they will likely be heading to prison for will react with excitement over the ability to watch sky sports.

I dont really have a problem with putting the names out, simply that shaming is in some capacity adequate or effective in doing something in this situation or in situations like it.

well there streetrats, they probably have nothing but a piss encrusted matress at their house

i question whether or not you understand what your are implying with all of this. I do think there is a bit of a potential to argue people may prefer jail, but certainly not in this context.

[jimboston]

i find the rubber stamped need to shame anyone whose ever associated with violent criminals rather infantile i guess.

I was under the impression that everyone had equal protection or obligation under the law. But i guess that goes away if your the family member of someone who commits a violent crime, because although you never commited a crime (or may not have i suppose) you are now to be forever known as the relation of someone who committed a violent crime.

Seems to match up with our ideal.

You disagree that the parents had a role in their upbringing?

Yeah... brothers, sisters, cousins... these people should not feel much shame. I have a druggie brother.

At the same time... didn't mommy and daddy see how their little angel boys were growing up?