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Postby Nobunaga on Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:36 am

Media Donations Favor Dems 100-1

By WILLIAM TATE, July 23, 2008 4:20 PM PT

The New York Times' refusal to publish John McCain's rebuttal to Barack Obama's Iraq op-ed may be the most glaring example of liberal media bias this journalist has ever seen. But true proof of widespread media bias requires one to follow an old journalism maxim: Follow the money.

Even the Associated Press — no bastion of conservatism — has considered, at least superficially, the media's favoritism for Barack Obama. It's time to revisit media bias.

True to form, journalists are defending their bias by saying that one candidate, Obama, is more newsworthy than the other. In other words, there is no media bias. It is we, the hoi polloi, who reveal our bias by questioning the neutrality of these learned professionals in their ivory-towered newsrooms.

Big Media applies this rationalization to every argument used to point out bias. "It's not a result of bias," they say. "It's a matter of news judgment."

And, like the man who knows his wallet was pickpocketed but can't prove it, the public is left to futilely rage against the injustice of it all.

The "newsworthy" argument can be applied to every metric — one-sided imbalances in airtime, story placement, column inches, number of stories, etc. — save one.

An analysis of federal records shows that the amount of money journalists contributed so far this election cycle favors Democrats by a 15:1 ratio over Republicans, with $225,563 going to Democrats, only $16,298 to Republicans .

Two-hundred thirty-five journalists donated to Democrats, just 20 gave to Republicans — a margin greater than 10-to-1. An even greater disparity, 20-to-1, exists between the number of journalists who donated to Barack Obama and John McCain.

Searches for other newsroom categories (reporters, correspondents, news editors, anchors, newspaper editors and publishers) produces 311 donors to Democrats to 30 donors to Republicans, a ratio of just over 10-to-1. In terms of money, $279,266 went to Dems, $20,709 to Republicans, a 14-to-1 ratio.

And while the money totals pale in comparison to the $9-million-plus that just one union's PACs have spent to get Obama elected, they are more substantial than the amount that Obama has criticized John McCain for receiving from lobbyists: 96 lobbyists have contributed $95,850 to McCain, while Obama — who says he won't take money from PACs or federal lobbyists — has received $16,223 from 29 lobbyists.

A few journalists list their employer as an organization like MSNBC, MSNBC.com or ABC News, or report that they're freelancers for the New York Times, or are journalists for Al Jazeera, CNN Turkey, Deutsche Welle Radio or La Republica of Rome (all contributions to Obama). Most report no employer. They're mainly freelancers. That's because most major news organization have policies that forbid newsroom employees from making political donations.

As if to warn their colleagues in the media, MSNBC last summer ran a story on journalists' contributions to political candidates that drew a similar conclusion:

"Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left."

The timing of that article was rather curious. Dated June 25, 2007, it appeared during the middle of the summer news doldrums in a non-election year — timing that was sure to minimize its impact among the general public, while still warning newsrooms across the country that such political donations can be checked.

In case that was too subtle, MSNBC ran a sidebar story detailing cautionary tales of reporters who lost their jobs or were otherwise negatively impacted because their donations became public.

As if to warn their comrades-in-news against putting their money where their mouth is, the report also cautioned that, with the Internet, "it became easier for the blogging public to look up the donors."

It went on to detail the ban that most major media organizations have against newsroom employees donating to political campaigns, a ban that raises some obvious First Amendment issues. Whether it's intentional or not, the ban makes it difficult to verify the political leanings of Big Media reporters, editors and producers. There are two logical ways to extrapolate what those leanings are, though.

One is the overwhelming nature of the above statistics. Given the pack mentality among journalists and, just like any pack, the tendency to follow the leader — in this case, Big Media — and since Big Media are centered in some of the bluest of blue parts of the country, it is highly likely that the media elite reflect the same, or an even greater, liberal bias.

A second is to analyze contributions from folks in the same corporate cultures. That analysis provides some surprising results. The contributions of individuals who reported being employed by major media organizations are listed in the nearby table.

The contributions add up to $315,533 to Democrats and $22,656 to Republicans — most of that to Ron Paul, who was supported by many liberals as a stalking horse to John McCain, a la Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos with Hillary and Obama.

What is truly remarkable about the list is that, discounting contributions to Paul and Rudy Giuliani, who was a favorite son for many folks in the media, the totals look like this: $315,533 to Democrats, $3,150 to Republicans (four individuals who donated to McCain).

Let me repeat: $315,533 to Democrats, $3,150 to Republicans — a ratio of 100-to-1. No bias there.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby MeDeFe on Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:39 am

Hey, you just went from 15:1 to 100:1 by leaving out all of those who failed, quite impressive maths.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby gdeangel on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:18 am

MeDeFe wrote:Hey, you just went from 15:1 to 100:1 by leaving out all of those who failed, quite impressive maths.


Even 15:1 is a huge bias. If the government was spending on even just 1.1x on education for suburbs what they spend in the inner city, you would have (and do have) representatives of the "inner city demographic" up in arms about racial bias in the education system. So at 15:1 they should be censured.

On the other hand, how much of contributions (the OP says "individual contributions") are being made to democratic party / democratic candidates "in kind". If you recall when the "General De-Tray-Us" add ran in the NY Times, there was some legal fallout because the NY Times game the democrats running the add something like their middle week / mid-section add rate, when in fact they ran it on a peak day on a prime page (I forget exact details). That discount rate is in fact, for tax and campaign finance limit purposes, a contribution. Interestingly, the NY Times and the Democrats did not account for it that way, at least initially...

So if you add all those little "kick backs" by the media, you might not get to 100:1, but its probably well north of 15:1.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby comic boy on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:25 am

Well as we all know the media is controlled by the Lizardmen who are in turn controlled by the Neocons who are obviously going to support a liberal .....mmmm wait a minute :?

Well whats the answer then, surely it cant be that Obama is more newsworthy #-o
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby InkL0sed on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:44 am

So journalists like Obama better. Boohoo.

How much of the news-reporting media does Murdoch own again...?
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Neoteny on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:58 am

Is there any institution that isn't run by "learned professionals in ivory towers?" Maybe we should have peanut farmers from Americus read us the news?

Perhaps we should consider why the media and universities and other bastions of liberalism are so politically liberal. And why is this an issue? Fox has made it perfectly clear that a conservative biased news source can flourish in this environment, so you have your options. I don't think you have a problem with the bias, I think you have a problem with the bias to the left.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:07 am

MeDeFe wrote:Hey, you just went from 15:1 to 100:1 by leaving out all of those who failed, quite impressive maths.



Yeah that looked rather neat.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Nobunaga on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:53 am

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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Nobunaga on Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:57 am

Neoteny wrote:Is there any institution that isn't run by "learned professionals in ivory towers?" Maybe we should have peanut farmers from Americus read us the news?

Perhaps we should consider why the media and universities and other bastions of liberalism are so politically liberal. And why is this an issue? Fox has made it perfectly clear that a conservative biased news source can flourish in this environment, so you have your options. I don't think you have a problem with the bias, I think you have a problem with the bias to the left.


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... Let me ponder that for a while.

... OK, pondered. Nope. You're wrong. When news ceases to be news in favor of cheerleading, and when so-called "journalists" are personally invested in the victory of one candidate in such large numbers, I have a problem.

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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:05 pm

Journalists leaning personally more to the democratic side does not mean the news itself is biased.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby InkL0sed on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:15 pm

TV news isn't news, I'm sorry. All any station talks about is the election. It's completely "cheer-leading" - at least FOX and MSNBC don't really hide it. That's why I hate CNN, they try to pretend they actually do good reporting.

The only good, real news report you'll find on TV is on Channel 13.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Neoteny on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:31 pm

InkL0sed wrote:TV news isn't news, I'm sorry. All any station talks about is the election. It's completely "cheer-leading" - at least FOX and MSNBC don't really hide it. That's why I hate CNN, they try to pretend they actually do good reporting.

The only good, real news report you'll find on TV is on Channel 13.


In Nobunaga's defense, I think print publications are included in his numbers. Here are some more numbers:

John McCain has accepted over 1 million American dollars in contribution related to oil and gas.
Barack Obama has accepted over $200,000 as of February 29th from the same industry.

Newsflash! Oil companies support John McCain!

No shit!

That's kinda behind the idea of a bipartisan system. People support who they feel will act according to their beliefs/opinions/interests. As far as a media bias goes, they don't owe you anything. Free market rule: as long as they are getting paid, that is all that matters. Intelligent people such as you and I, Nobunaga, are fully capable of seeing and interpreting information, wading through the bias inherent in most human systems. I don't know any news stations that really claim a completely non-biased approach (I consider "fair and balanced" to be a joke).

If you want a right wing bias, you know where to look. If you want a left wing bias, you know where to look. If you want minimal bias, there are places you can go. If you want no bias, do the research yourself. Just don't vote Republican because gas prices have gone down in your area.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Johnny Rockets on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:36 pm

Or perhaps Mcain is about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Obama represents change, and thus a certain level of uncertainty. Uncertainty is fascinating because it invokes a level of apprehension and is thus captivating. So perhaps the media is following more what the people are focused on, then being outright biased because if they are following YOUR story about the man, your ratings are improved. The media are such whores, if that public focus was on a pack of retarded penguins playing hacky sack with a flaming smelt, they would have dissproportionate coverage as well.

Substance has very little to do with it. The media will inflate a topic, and rehash it to death as long as the viewers remain focused on it. Hell, have you ever seen the flip side of this? Ever see when CNN runs out of shit to bash Obama with? They still beat out the same tune but the substance goes from obviously biased to outright fucking stupid. ( Terrorist Gangster Bump)

The crying shame however, is that Americans are so easy to lead around by what they see on their T.V. Your sensationalism rules you. Years ago you were pouring French wine into the street and renaming French fries to freedom fries because they were questioning going into Iraq. The same nation that spent millions on trying to impeach a president because he received oral sex, does nothing while the following one kills your sons.

If the media is biased to the left, then consider listening to it. Taking into account how deep the shit pile is that your country is standing in right now, a change to the left couldn't hurt more than staying the course.

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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby InkL0sed on Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:40 pm

Wow, an eloquent post :shock:
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Nobunaga on Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:07 pm

Neoteny wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:TV news isn't news, I'm sorry. All any station talks about is the election. It's completely "cheer-leading" - at least FOX and MSNBC don't really hide it. That's why I hate CNN, they try to pretend they actually do good reporting.

The only good, real news report you'll find on TV is on Channel 13.


In Nobunaga's defense, I think print publications are included in his numbers. Here are some more numbers:

John McCain has accepted over 1 million American dollars in contribution related to oil and gas.
Barack Obama has accepted over $200,000 as of February 29th from the same industry.

Newsflash! Oil companies support John McCain!

No shit!

That's kinda behind the idea of a bipartisan system. People support who they feel will act according to their beliefs/opinions/interests. As far as a media bias goes, they don't owe you anything. Free market rule: as long as they are getting paid, that is all that matters. Intelligent people such as you and I, Nobunaga, are fully capable of seeing and interpreting information, wading through the bias inherent in most human systems. I don't know any news stations that really claim a completely non-biased approach (I consider "fair and balanced" to be a joke).

If you want a right wing bias, you know where to look. If you want a left wing bias, you know where to look. If you want minimal bias, there are places you can go. If you want no bias, do the research yourself. Just don't vote Republican because gas prices have gone down in your area.


... Well, perhaps you and I can wade through the bias to see what's at the end... But I have to say I'm not overly impressed with the average American's grasp of things.

... I'm not as "neocon" as most seem to think (not a neocon at all, actually), it's the ignorant following of a leadr by people based almost entirely on the 10 minutes or so of "news" they are forced to watch while waiting for Family Guy to start. I don't care if they love Obama, but I have yet to meet anybody personally who can explain to me why they love this guy beyond the sphere of platitudes.

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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Neoteny on Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:30 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:TV news isn't news, I'm sorry. All any station talks about is the election. It's completely "cheer-leading" - at least FOX and MSNBC don't really hide it. That's why I hate CNN, they try to pretend they actually do good reporting.

The only good, real news report you'll find on TV is on Channel 13.


In Nobunaga's defense, I think print publications are included in his numbers. Here are some more numbers:

John McCain has accepted over 1 million American dollars in contribution related to oil and gas.
Barack Obama has accepted over $200,000 as of February 29th from the same industry.

Newsflash! Oil companies support John McCain!

No shit!

That's kinda behind the idea of a bipartisan system. People support who they feel will act according to their beliefs/opinions/interests. As far as a media bias goes, they don't owe you anything. Free market rule: as long as they are getting paid, that is all that matters. Intelligent people such as you and I, Nobunaga, are fully capable of seeing and interpreting information, wading through the bias inherent in most human systems. I don't know any news stations that really claim a completely non-biased approach (I consider "fair and balanced" to be a joke).

If you want a right wing bias, you know where to look. If you want a left wing bias, you know where to look. If you want minimal bias, there are places you can go. If you want no bias, do the research yourself. Just don't vote Republican because gas prices have gone down in your area.


... Well, perhaps you and I can wade through the bias to see what's at the end... But I have to say I'm not overly impressed with the average American's grasp of things.

... I'm not as "neocon" as most seem to think (not a neocon at all, actually), it's the ignorant following of a leadr by people based almost entirely on the 10 minutes or so of "news" they are forced to watch while waiting for Family Guy to start. I don't care if they love Obama, but I have yet to meet anybody personally who can explain to me why they love this guy beyond the sphere of platitudes.

...


Well, he's not a conservative for one, which accounts for quite a few political views. Then there's all the platitudes.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby pimpdave on Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:11 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
... I don't care if they love Obama, but I have yet to meet anybody personally who can explain to me why they love this guy beyond the sphere of platitudes.

...


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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby pimpdave on Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:14 am




Did no one watch that video? Did Derrick's reasoning finally silence all of you neocons? I'm sure you can flip out and find some way to counter it with a bunch of ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Nobunaga on Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:42 am

pimpdave wrote:



Did no one watch that video? Did Derrick's reasoning finally silence all of you neocons? I'm sure you can flip out and find some way to counter it with a bunch of ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims.


... Hey, Pimp, you an Obama supporter? Tell us why, and be specific. (and no, "He's not a neocon" is not specific.)

... War, immigration, gas prices, huge national debt - hit on those in your answer.

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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:33 am

I'm an independsant... I suppose.....

And I can't see a difference between them on any major issues. By which I mean, neither one of them has any definite plans to do anything. Maybe someone could straighten me out there.

For instance McCain is against abortion. Is he planning on doing anything about it though? No! So who cares? Who plans on leaving Iraq first? I can't tell.....
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby got tonkaed on Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:21 am

Nobunaga wrote:
pimpdave wrote:



Did no one watch that video? Did Derrick's reasoning finally silence all of you neocons? I'm sure you can flip out and find some way to counter it with a bunch of ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims.


... Hey, Pimp, you an Obama supporter? Tell us why, and be specific. (and no, "He's not a neocon" is not specific.)

... War, immigration, gas prices, huge national debt - hit on those in your answer.

....


Allow me to injerject that if you are voting for Mccain i find it rather odd that you would cite gas prices and immigration as areas where hes likely to diverge widely enough to justify a vote one way or the other.
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby HapSmo19 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:24 am

Johnny Rockets wrote:Obama represents change,......


Actually, he represents the same. He just has a clean slate when it comes to lying to you so fools believe him. The DNC and GOP are corporations, incorporated. You dont think they're just gonna let some black guy walk in off the street and tell them how to run their business unless it's in their plan do you? Ron Paul represented change and that is why McCain is there instead.

Johnny Rockets wrote:Years ago you were pouring French wine into the street......


Ah yes, Bill O'rly instigated that one. Anytime you do the opposite of what he calls for, you're most likely making the right choice. I wonder how many of his retards went out and bought french wine to pour down the gutter :lol:
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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:26 am

HapSmo19 wrote:Ron Paul represented change and that is why McCain is there instead.

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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Nobunaga on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:43 am

got tonkaed wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:
pimpdave wrote:



Did no one watch that video? Did Derrick's reasoning finally silence all of you neocons? I'm sure you can flip out and find some way to counter it with a bunch of ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims.


... Hey, Pimp, you an Obama supporter? Tell us why, and be specific. (and no, "He's not a neocon" is not specific.)

... War, immigration, gas prices, huge national debt - hit on those in your answer.

....


Allow me to injerject that if you are voting for Mccain i find it rather odd that you would cite gas prices and immigration as areas where hes likely to diverge widely enough to justify a vote one way or the other.


... McCain's history with immigration policy and his dealings with Kennedy on this front are the frightening aspects of a McCain vote, no doubt about it. However, as much as I dislike McCain it seems I will probably agree with about 50 to 60% of what he will do. Obama? ... Probably closer to 5%.

... And, Tonka, I was not attempting to draw a comparison but rather to get Pimp to include forefront issues in his statement of support (if in fact he is an Obama supporter).

... My greatest concern is the debt, and the trillions owed US citizens through social security, Medicaid, Medicare and veterans benefits. Trillions that we don't have, trillions that my son will be working half his life to try to pay off, etc... I read last month that each tax-paying citizen would have to fork over $550,000 to cover this debt. So I don't want to hear about new programs to help this group or that group - all that costs too damned much money. I want to hear about it getting fixed. I want to hear about pork getting cut off as well.

... McCain has no plan to fix this, I know. Does Obama? He's from the tax & spend crowd, so it's very unlikely.

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Re: Putting Money Where Mouths Are

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:56 am

Nobunaga wrote:I want to hear about pork getting cut off as well.

Won't happen. The worse the economy gets, the more you're going to see it.

Nobunaga wrote:My greatest concern is the debt, and the trillions owed US citizens through social security, Medicaid, Medicare and veterans benefits.

My big three..... The Debt, Medical Care, and Vets benifits. :D

Nobunaga wrote:I read last month that each tax-paying citizen would have to fork over $550,000 to cover this debt.

I don't know about this figure. While I was in 8th grade I took the mandatory Constitution test. The last page of the test had the most arrogant statement. I'll never forget it.

"Your share of the National Debt is $88,000. If you would like to pay your share of the National Debt, send funds to blah blah blah."
This wan't too long ago, I graduated in '04.
As a kid I was flabbergasted. How was I responsable for that?

Nobunaga wrote:... McCain has no plan to fix this, I know. Does Obama? He's from the tax & spend crowd, so it's very unlikely.


They both have completely different plans. Obama has a seperate tax plan, whereas McCain wishes to make Bushes tax cuts permanent. Is this what you're talking about?
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