And you wonder why God is going to destroy.....

by **jay_a2j** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:28 pm

... this sick world? I give Him props for having patience. Because man keeps on trying to figure out how we got here. (because as we all know God doesn't exist and could not have anything to do with it)

by **Skittles!** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:29 pm

Exactly jay. I'm glad of you to finally know it.

by **Frigidus** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:36 pm

I know. As an omnipotent being I would be rather upset when my slaves...I mean...children...don't submit to my will and kill the heathens...I mean...spread the faith. Mmmmmmm...yes, yes. Spread.

by **jonesthecurl** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:38 pm

So, what? Now we're not even allowed to ask questions?
Should I have even asked that one?
Or that one...

by **Juan_Bottom** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:38 pm

We finally won Jay over?
Hall-aye-lou-ya!-or however that's spelled....

Jay you are officially invited to join the Godless Heathens!

Tonight is the "wish I could punch Baby Jesus in the mouth" party! Aloha!

by **hecter** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:40 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:So, what? Now we're not even allowed to ask questions?
Should I have even asked that one?
Or that one...

Of course you are!... But only through prayer, because it will give you cryptic responses in a way which is completely unrated and up to you to find and interpret.

by **Frigidus** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:44 pm

hecter wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:So, what? Now we're not even allowed to ask questions?
Should I have even asked that one?
Or that one...

Of course you are!... But only through prayer, because it will give you cryptic responses in a way which is completely unrated and up to you to find and interpret.

I'm sure that our interpretations will be fair to all parties concerned.

by **MeDeFe** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:44 pm

Does this make the expression "The world's your oyster" obsolete?

by **jay_a2j** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:45 pm

Houston, we have a problem! Apparently all of our sarcasm detectors are malfunctioning! In the OP that which is inside the ( ) is sarcasm. #-o

by **MeDeFe** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:47 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Houston, we have a problem! Apparently all of our sarcasm detectors are malfunctioning! In the OP that which is inside the ( ) is sarcasm.

Check your own, too, while you're at it.

Sarcasm is fun! And I don't even have to do it myself!

by **PLAYER57832** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:23 pm

jay_a2j wrote:... this sick world? I give Him props for having patience. [url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391682,00.html]
Because man keeps on trying to figure out how we got here. (because as we all know God doesn't exist and could not have anything to do with it)[/url]

Gee, and here I thought the Bible taught forgiveness and compassion.

If you want to throw out the rest of the Bible because you are not willing to see those first few passages of Genesis the way Christ himself saw them ... go ahead.

But as for debate or discussion...

When you decide to actually evaluate the real EVIDENCE against Evolution ... and notice, I did not even say change your mind to believe it ... I said understand, read, evaluate. So far, all your arguments for Creationism fail because you have such an absolute lack of understanding of real evolutionary theory.

You want to believe lies ... study the Creation Institutes information on what evolution entails and how easy it is to disprove. You want truth? Look elsewhere.

The worst tyrranies are not created by evil people, the worst harm comes from well intentioned people who stop listening to reason. And, it is strangely interesting that you are so convinced non of us could possibly be listening to reason when you refuse to even listen to the evidence.

by **pimpdave** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:34 pm

The above post (quoted below) was sadly incomplete. I have used PLAYER57832's original notes, written on papyrus with crude ink (circa. AD 2008), to include the final paragraph in this historic text. I hope it helps make the meaning more clear, as the author intended it.

PLAYER57832 wrote:The worst tyrranies are not created by evil people, the worst harm comes from well intentioned people who stop listening to reason. And, it is strangely interesting that you are so convinced non of us could possibly be listening to reason when you refuse to even listen to the evidence.

The best tyrranies, on the other hand, are created by evil people, yes, but evil in that they want to give away free pie to you and me. This upsets the natural order of the universe, which is why Purple Pie Man continues to tyrranize Strawberry Shortcake and her adorable friends.

by **Juan_Bottom** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:39 pm

I love pie.

by **jay_a2j** on Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:59 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:... this sick world? I give Him props for having patience. [url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391682,00.html]
Because man keeps on trying to figure out how we got here. (because as we all know God doesn't exist and could not have anything to do with it)[/url]

Gee, and here I thought the Bible taught forgiveness and compassion.

If you want to throw out the rest of the Bible because you are not willing to see those first few passages of Genesis the way Christ himself saw them ... go ahead.

But as for debate or discussion...

When you decide to actually evaluate the real EVIDENCE against Evolution ... and notice, I did not even say change your mind to believe it ... I said understand, read, evaluate. So far, all your arguments for Creationism fail because you have such an absolute lack of understanding of real evolutionary theory.

You want to believe lies ... study the Creation Institutes information on what evolution entails and how easy it is to disprove. You want truth? Look elsewhere.

The worst tyrranies are not created by evil people, the worst harm comes from well intentioned people who stop listening to reason. And, it is strangely interesting that you are so convinced non of us could possibly be listening to reason when you refuse to even listen to the evidence.

I'm not going to get into a debate with you over evolution. I believe "lies" while you believe mans explanation for how we got here. Whatever, my God is BIG enough to create man as He said He created him, "by the dust of the Earth" not from another life form. You want to believe that we came from muck, so be it, just please stop reading things into scripture that is not there. Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

by **hecter** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:01 am

jay_a2j wrote: Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

Seeing as how I have no faith in God, I can agree to that fairly readily...

by **Timminz** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:04 am

jay_a2j wrote: Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

I'll admit it. Can we call it a day now?

by **Frigidus** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:17 am

hecter wrote:
jay_a2j wrote: Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

Seeing as how I have no faith in God, I can agree to that fairly readily...

Quite. Not hard to beat absolutely zero.

by **Juan_Bottom** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:53 am

Timminz wrote:
jay_a2j wrote: Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

I'll admit it. Can we call it a day now?

Ditto... and I believe there is a whole clan of people behind me that would concure.

by **Ditocoaf** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:10 am

jay_a2j wrote:I'm not going to get into a debate with you over evolution. I believe "lies" while you believe mans explanation for how we got here. Whatever, my God is BIG enough to create man as He said He created him, "by the dust of the Earth" not from another life form. You want to believe that we came from muck, so be it, just please stop reading things into scripture that is not there. Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

I have no faith in anything. "Faith" is belief in something regardless of whether or not it can be backed up in any way. I don't have "faith" in science, because science doesn't require that you "believe" in it... all you need to do science is your senses and your brain. We've developed an amazing system for separating fact from superstition... it's called "observation". I won't believe there are witches in the dark mysterious woods, but I won't deny the possibility altogether: I will try to walk into the woods and actually find out. Physicists took the theory of the "big bang," and figured out what, if the "big bang" were true, the energy density would be for different frequencies of background microwave glow. Years later, they managed to actually test these levels... and the numbers matched up perfectly… this doesn't mean the "big bang" theory is an absolute truth, but it strongly supports it. We don't know things, but we know our almost-certainty is much better supported than your absolute certainty.

In conclusion: Keep telling me I'm going to hell. I don't care. I'm going to continue to be nice to people, and continue to only believe what can be verified. And I'll never know if I was right.

(if the numbers had been off, this would be just as awesome, because we're still learning things, which is exiting)

by **Skittles!** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:16 am

Hey Jay, by "dust of the Earth", do you think that is a metaphor for atoms, or do you actually believe we were made by dust and the bacteria that reside with it.

by **Ditocoaf** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:24 am

jay_a2j wrote:I'm not going to get into a debate with you over evolution. I believe "lies" while you believe mans explanation for how we got here.

Unless you heard about Christianity from God Himself, then you're also believing one of man's explanations for how we got here. Except for scientists don't believe any explanation for that, because we haven't been able to figure that out yet*. So that statement is mistaken on two counts.

(*beyond a few tentative theories and observations)

by **jay_a2j** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:17 am

Ditocoaf wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:I'm not going to get into a debate with you over evolution. I believe "lies" while you believe mans explanation for how we got here. Whatever, my God is BIG enough to create man as He said He created him, "by the dust of the Earth" not from another life form. You want to believe that we came from muck, so be it, just please stop reading things into scripture that is not there. Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

I have no faith in anything. "Faith" is belief in something regardless of whether or not it can be backed up in any way. I don't have "faith" in science, because science doesn't require that you "believe" in it... all you need to do science is your senses and your brain. We've developed an amazing system for separating fact from superstition... it's called "observation". I won't believe there are witches in the dark mysterious woods, but I won't deny the possibility altogether: I will try to walk into the woods and actually find out. Physicists took the theory of the "big bang," and figured out what, if the "big bang" were true, the energy density would be for different frequencies of background microwave glow. Years later, they managed to actually test these levels... and the numbers matched up perfectly… this doesn't mean the "big bang" theory is an absolute truth, but it strongly supports it. We don't know things, but we know our almost-certainty is much better supported than your absolute certainty.

In conclusion: Keep telling me I'm going to hell. I don't care. I'm going to continue to be nice to people, and continue to only believe what can be verified. And I'll never know if I was right.

(if the numbers had been off, this would be just as awesome, because we're still learning things, which is exiting)

To you and the plethora of others who mistakenly think that I was talking to them, I was speaking to PLAYER57832 . Did any of you see your user names quoted in that post?

And Dito, I never said you were going to hell. :roll:

by **Dancing Mustard** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:29 am

jay_a2j wrote:I never said you were going to hell.

Damn right! He's going straight to the Lizardmen's FEMA Re-education camps!

*Shifts Shape*

*Returns to human form*

*Anal probes redneck for no readily apparent reason*

All hail the NWO!!!

by **joecoolfrog** on Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:46 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Ditocoaf wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:I'm not going to get into a debate with you over evolution. I believe "lies" while you believe mans explanation for how we got here. Whatever, my God is BIG enough to create man as He said He created him, "by the dust of the Earth" not from another life form. You want to believe that we came from muck, so be it, just please stop reading things into scripture that is not there. Admit to yourself that you have more faith in "Scientific evidence" than you do God. And we will call it a day.

I have no faith in anything. "Faith" is belief in something regardless of whether or not it can be backed up in any way. I don't have "faith" in science, because science doesn't require that you "believe" in it... all you need to do science is your senses and your brain. We've developed an amazing system for separating fact from superstition... it's called "observation". I won't believe there are witches in the dark mysterious woods, but I won't deny the possibility altogether: I will try to walk into the woods and actually find out. Physicists took the theory of the "big bang," and figured out what, if the "big bang" were true, the energy density would be for different frequencies of background microwave glow. Years later, they managed to actually test these levels... and the numbers matched up perfectly… this doesn't mean the "big bang" theory is an absolute truth, but it strongly supports it. We don't know things, but we know our almost-certainty is much better supported than your absolute certainty.

In conclusion: Keep telling me I'm going to hell. I don't care. I'm going to continue to be nice to people, and continue to only believe what can be verified. And I'll never know if I was right.

(if the numbers had been off, this would be just as awesome, because we're still learning things, which is exiting)

To you and the plethora of others who mistakenly think that I was talking to them, I was speaking to PLAYER57832 . Did any of you see your user names quoted in that post?

And Dito, I never said you were going to hell.