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Night Strike wrote:I've never understood how medical costs could go down when taxes are being added to the actual tools being used in treatments.
Night Strike wrote:I've never understood how medical costs could go down when taxes are being added to the actual tools being used in treatments.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:I've never understood how medical costs could go down when taxes are being added to the actual tools being used in treatments.
Yo will have to back that up with data.
but overall, taxes have very little to do with real medical costs.
Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:I've never understood how medical costs could go down when taxes are being added to the actual tools being used in treatments.
Yo will have to back that up with data.
but overall, taxes have very little to do with real medical costs.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Medical-Device-Excise-Tax:-Frequently-Asked-Questions
The government is directly adding 2.3% to the cost of medical devices, which is in addition to any inflation and other normal market forces. How will health care costs go down when the government is forcing suppliers to pay more?
jbrettlip wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone 289 pages of the same shit. Either you are a socialist or you understand economics. All of you could have made enough money to buy your own insurance had you only channeled this energy into something more productive.
Lootifer wrote:Im left leaning (what you would call socialist), I also understand economics... Probably better than you
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
jbrettlip wrote:Lootifer wrote:Im left leaning (what you would call socialist), I also understand economics... Probably better than you
Probably not...
Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:I've never understood how medical costs could go down when taxes are being added to the actual tools being used in treatments.
Yo will have to back that up with data.
but overall, taxes have very little to do with real medical costs.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Medical-Device-Excise-Tax:-Frequently-Asked-Questions
The government is directly adding 2.3% to the cost of medical devices, which is in addition to any inflation and other normal market forces. How will health care costs go down when the government is forcing suppliers to pay more?
jbrettlip wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone 289 pages of the same shit. Either you are a socialist or you understand economics. All of you could have made enough money to buy your own insurance had you only channeled this energy into something more productive.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:I've never understood how medical costs could go down when taxes are being added to the actual tools being used in treatments.
Yo will have to back that up with data.
but overall, taxes have very little to do with real medical costs.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Medical-Device-Excise-Tax:-Frequently-Asked-Questions
The government is directly adding 2.3% to the cost of medical devices, which is in addition to any inflation and other normal market forces. How will health care costs go down when the government is forcing suppliers to pay more?
Among the reasons for medical pricing, taxes are pretty low on the list.
PLAYER57832 wrote:jbrettlip wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone 289 pages of the same shit. Either you are a socialist or you understand economics. All of you could have made enough money to buy your own insurance had you only channeled this energy into something more productive.
Hmm.. because according to you economics dictates that there is plenty of work out there, plenty of people willing to pay a decent wage... and oh, yeah, who cares if we are stealing our children's future to support a fictitious growth model..
AndyDufresne wrote:What about today's current children?
--Andy
thegreekdog wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:What about today's current children?
--Andy
They all had access to medical care prior to the passing of the Affordable Care Act.
Night Strike's rhetoric notwithstanding, the correct way to do this was to go completely free market or completely socialist. The Affordable Care Act essentially requires people to pay for health insurance and the government pays if the people can't pay. So both a boondoggle for insurance companies and a boondoggle for those that cannot afford health insurance. It's the Republicans' plan from the 1990s.
Lootifer wrote:thegreekdog wrote:AndyDufresne wrote:What about today's current children?
--Andy
They all had access to medical care prior to the passing of the Affordable Care Act.
Night Strike's rhetoric notwithstanding, the correct way to do this was to go completely free market or completely socialist. The Affordable Care Act essentially requires people to pay for health insurance and the government pays if the people can't pay. So both a boondoggle for insurance companies and a boondoggle for those that cannot afford health insurance. It's the Republicans' plan from the 1990s.
Thats what I dont understand about the whole trainwreck.
"Hey we've got a broken system; we need to fix it"
"Okie dokie; how about since the system is already complex and unoptimised, lets tack on a whole lot more complexity and a whole lot of "greater good", but untested and under researched, ideas in the hope that the resulting trainwreck solves all of americas healthcare woes!!"
"Ok but it might cost a bit more; thus we need to invent some matching wtf-taxes to go along with our nice new shiney wtf-healthcare system!"
Seriously I blame the democrats/left almost more than I do the opposition. If you are going to increase government funding of healthcare at least do it in a remotely sensible way...
Lootifer wrote:Yeh I can believe that. And thus I can see why some of the optics around big business repubs is far more convincing than big business democrats.
Sure both are trying to screw us, but at least the repubs are being somewhat honest about it lol.
Question: If you were faced with a choice between the new setup (which I dont fully understand, and cbf trying to) or a far more socialised/left setup (Norway/ NZ etc)? Those are your only two options.
Uh, no. The primary reasons for rising cost is demand and need for profit. People will pay whatever they have to.. and so medical companies can charge what they wish, with few limits.Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:Night Strike wrote:I've never understood how medical costs could go down when taxes are being added to the actual tools being used in treatments.
Yo will have to back that up with data.
but overall, taxes have very little to do with real medical costs.
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Medical-Device-Excise-Tax:-Frequently-Asked-Questions
The government is directly adding 2.3% to the cost of medical devices, which is in addition to any inflation and other normal market forces. How will health care costs go down when the government is forcing suppliers to pay more?
Among the reasons for medical pricing, taxes are pretty low on the list.
So it's ok to add direct taxes because the amount they increase prices is less than the amount other factors add to the price? Is this really how the liberal mind "works"?
By the way, some of those "other factors" are themselves higher taxes on personal income, corporate income, property, capital gains, etc.
PLAYER57832 wrote:jbrettlip wrote:I can't believe this thread has gone 289 pages of the same shit. Either you are a socialist or you understand economics. All of you could have made enough money to buy your own insurance had you only channeled this energy into something more productive.
Hmm.. because according to you economics dictates that there is plenty of work out there, plenty of people willing to pay a decent wage... and oh, yeah, who cares if we are stealing our children's future to support a fictitious growth model..
PLAYER57832 wrote:You know something, it was not so long ago that words like yours would have you investigated for treasonous activity.. you might just think about that. amongst all your whining about "liberal" takeovers.
PLAYER57832 wrote:You have a LOT of distorted ideas about the government and how it works. Government SERVES us. Companies work for themselves.. solely. Government absolutely can be abusive, but abuse and claiming that any payment to and by the government is waste are two different things. Unless and until you actually pay attention to that difference, most of what you say will continue to be garbage.
PLAYER57832 wrote:You have a LOT of distorted ideas about the government and how it works. Government SERVES us. Companies work for themselves.. solely. Government absolutely can be abusive, but abuse and claiming that any payment to and by the government is waste are two different things. Unless and until you actually pay attention to that difference, most of what you say will continue to be garbage.
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