Tournament Creation Limits? [Poll Added By NS]

[Night Strike]

No Bones, he is right, I canceled the tournaments because of your thread. It made me realize that the majority of the people on CC, according to your poll, do not appreciate the time that I donated to this site and as such, I have elected to spend it actually playing games with people that are here for fun and not to nitpick every little detail that doesn't suit them. I apologize to anyone who enjoyed my tournamnets and is impacted by my decision and hope that you would still invite me to enjoy a casual game.

b00060, there is a huge difference between not appreciating someone's time donated to the site and thinking things could be done better in a forum. Bones felt there was an overload on the number of similar tournaments recruiting players, not the number actually being run in the ongoing forum. Those are entirely different things that I think you misinterpreted. No one was trying to force you out of organizing, you just interpreted it as such.

[PaulusH]

b00060 I will send you invites for the coming tournaments that I will make
No need to join, you have to decide for yourself if you think it could be fun

Although I never had the pleasure to be in one of your tournaments I beleave you did a great jop
Thank you.

[mgconstruction]

No Bones, he is right, I canceled the tournaments because of your thread. It made me realize that the majority of the people on CC, according to your poll, do not appreciate the time that I donated to this site and as such, I have elected to spend it actually playing games with people that are here for fun and not to nitpick every little detail that doesn't suit them. I apologize to anyone who enjoyed my tournamnets and is impacted by my decision and hope that you would still invite me to enjoy a casual game.

b00060, there is a huge difference between not appreciating someone's time donated to the site and thinking things could be done better in a forum. Bones felt there was an overload on the number of similar tournaments recruiting players, not the number actually being run in the ongoing forum. Those are entirely different things that I think you misinterpreted. No one was trying to force you out of organizing, you just interpreted it as such.

I just wanted to see if anyone out there may agree with me or not as I find it fairly ridiculous that about 30 tournaments listed in the first page of "Create/Join a Tournament" are being run by two organizers.

Is there any chance we can limit the number of tournaments each organizer can have waiting for participants so that we stop getting flooded with new ones? Most, if not all, of the tournaments I'm referring to are simple "4-round, win 4 games total" tournaments as well, so we've lost ANY creativity in the structure too.

Please note that I'm not suggesting any limits on how many active tournaments someone can have, only a limit on ones waiting for players. It's no wonder some original tournaments struggle to get members when we have way too many (uncreative) options out there at once.

No Offense NS but why you keep saying Bones didn't direct anything at any one TO in particular is pretty blind sighted on your part. It was quite clear he was referring to b00060 and/or HA's tournaments at that very moment, directly or indirectly.

Even I was somewhat pissed off and offended that someone would complain about having too many options to choose from but more importantly him stating that the tourney's were "uncreative" and that "we've lost ANY creativity in the structure too."

That is a direct slap in the face to any TO that had a small tourney listed at the time including myself that didn't measure up to what he felt was "Creative". Particularly to b00060 & HA at the time.

This is why HA acted the way he did (excused or unexcused), this is why b00060 canceled his tourney's and quite frankly this is why I have not started anymore new tourney's. I have simply kept the ones I started because of my commitment to those players.

b00060, HA, Myself as well as many other TO's here take a lot of pride in running our tourney's and to have you keep defending what appeared to be implied in the original post (in Bold above)is just another slap in the face to them.

My opinion on the creativity of tourney's is this. If you as a player feel the current tourney's available lack the creativity you need then get off your butt & start creating & running the tourney's you feel are "Creative". Its that simple because I for one will not have a problem with sitting back & letting others do it. That just means more game time for me.

Yes I agree, some changes could be made to the tourney forums to help sort them out for people that don't have the time.

On the matter of Smaller or "Uncreative" tourney's - If players keep filling these "uncreative" small tourneys to play in, Then doesn't that tell us that's what the players want?
If a TO makes 50 tourneys & they all fill up within a few days doesn't this tell us the demand for those tourneys is there and that's what the players want? Just a thought.

MG

[72o]

b00060's tournaments are awesome! If colton gets to start as many tournaments as he wants and abandon them all, why can't a vetted organizer start as many as he wants?

Bunch of stupid crybabies. Who is it hurting to allow HA and b000 create a bunch of tournaments? Is it so hard to scan past them if you don't like the format? I hate 1v1, but I don't start threads bitching about people who start nothing but 1v1 tournaments. I just don't join them.

[squishyg]

I'm not trying to attack you. I've been asking questions for people to answer however they want. Like I told b0 I didn't want to include names because that's not the point of the discussion. The point of the discussion is to see if we, as a tournament community, can come up with some improvements to the entire process as a whole. There is no intention of "punishing" any member of the community. This is an open discussion, and not a hate thread.

You only became a "focal point" because you took it on yourself to send a message to all of your tournament players to invite them to get involved. This disappointingly derailed the thread and opened it up to flames and trolls on all sides.

And when I see your groupies coming in here to tell me off, calling me names, and saying "HA can start however many he wants as long as they are being updated"... and then I find proof that a few are not being updated in months? I'd fully expect each one of those trolls to change their minds on this matter else they be considered hypocrites.

Bones, you made a point of praising my post and I wouldn't have known about this discussion if HA hadn't pm'd me. All should be welcome in the conversation.

[Bones2484]

The further the poll goes, the further option 3 drops. Looks like more and more players have some issues with tournaments. Not surprising at all to me as the initial "swell" from HA's message has calmed down.

And squishy, I want everyone to be involved with the discussion provided they don't troll or flame. I was just trying to make a point to HA (when he asked) as to why the discussion turned towards him when it should have been a discussion about tournaments in general. Obviously when you go out of your way to invite people to a conversation a majority of your invitees will side with you... so a handful of the people HA messaged came here only to spread hate and derail the conversation.

[slipknot_rock]

haha i cant believe he complained about me lmao clapper (you sweetheart) :] and look most people have voted that there wasn't too many tournaments and the people posting on this forum disagree with you haha hey clapper

[PaulusH]

The further the poll goes, the further option 3 drops. Looks like more and more players have some issues with tournaments. Not surprising at all to me as the initial "swell" from HA's message has calmed down.

And squishy, I want everyone to be involved with the discussion provided they don't troll or flame. I was just trying to make a point to HA (when he asked) as to why the discussion turned towards him when it should have been a discussion about tournaments in general. Obviously when you go out of your way to invite people to a conversation a majority of your invitees will side with you... so a handful of the people HA messaged came here only to spread hate and derail the conversation.

A few month you were already able to flame Blitzaholic that long that he stopped with his nice 16-player brackets.

This time you already burned down b00060. Is that not enough
Why do you keep on attacking HA.

Your basic objection to the amount of tournaments is that you have to go from one page to another. But in this troll attack you don't mind at all that we are already at page 9. And you still think that you have a good argument.
Wake up man, start acting like an adult.

For what it is worth: you are the first person that was able to reach my foe list.

[AndrewB]

The guy just not realizes what it takes to actually RUN a tournament.

Maybe if he would run at least one, then something might have changed in his head...



Anything that decreases the number of tournaments running should not even come to someones head. And further more it should be stopped by the mods right here and there. I am surprised that NS even considers it

[Bones2484]

The further the poll goes, the further option 3 drops. Looks like more and more players have some issues with tournaments. Not surprising at all to me as the initial "swell" from HA's message has calmed down.

And squishy, I want everyone to be involved with the discussion provided they don't troll or flame. I was just trying to make a point to HA (when he asked) as to why the discussion turned towards him when it should have been a discussion about tournaments in general. Obviously when you go out of your way to invite people to a conversation a majority of your invitees will side with you... so a handful of the people HA messaged came here only to spread hate and derail the conversation.

A few month you were already able to flame Blitzaholic that long that he stopped with his nice 16-player brackets.

This time you already burned down b00060. Is that not enough
Why do you keep on attacking HA.

Your basic objection to the amount of tournaments is that you have to go from one page to another. But in this troll attack you don't mind at all that we are already at page 9. And you still think that you have a good argument.
Wake up man, start acting like an adult.

For what it is worth: you are the first person that was able to reach my foe list.

Wait. What?

First of all, Blitz agrees with me on this issue. Read the thread.

Secondly, I have done nothing to b0060. I've encouraged him multiple times in this thread to continue his tournaments as there is no reason to stop them. Read the thread.

Thirdly, over 50% of this website agrees that there is something wrong with tournaments that needs to be fixed. Had very few people agreed with me I happily would have accepted that I didn't have a good argument. But it's obvious that I do.

Lastly, when have I ever attacked HA? Read the thread.

The guy just not realizes what it takes to actually RUN a tournament.

Maybe if he would run at least one, then something might have changed in his head...

As I said to JR (and multiple people backed me up on) when he trolled me with the same thing, I have done more work for Clan Tournaments and Clan League than the simple tournaments require. I know ALL about recruiting players, creating games, checking results, notifying players. Just because I don't have a shiny medal doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Try to think before you type. Thanks.

[slipknot_rock]

but because over 50% dont say they agree with tournaments u cant add all the other options up thats not how democracy works (unless its proportional rep which no one who isn't stupid would never use) the most votes is for the one that says people don't have a problem with them 45% of people the largest amount in the poll is that there isn't a problem

[slipknot_rock]

lol im gonna get a 24 hour ban frm the forums when i do ill see u guys on the other side in 24 lmao

[Bones2484]

but because over 50% dont say they agree with tournaments u cant add all the other options up thats not how democracy works (unless its proportional rep which no one who isn't stupid would never use) the most votes is for the one that says people don't have a problem with them 45% of people the largest amount in the poll is that there isn't a problem

Sure I can. And this poll isn't for democracy, it was an opinion poll.

Take a look at the options (which, AGAIN were not made by me):

Option 1: Yes there is a problem - Too many tournaments by one person.
Option 2: Yes there is a problem - Too many tournaments by one person.
Option 4: Yes there is a problem - Tournaments need more stringent policies.

Option 3: No there is not a problem

Options 1,2,4 clearly state that the voter has some problem with tournaments. Option 3 is the only one that wants to keep tournaments as is, and that only sits at 45%.

[72o]

but because over 50% dont say they agree with tournaments u cant add all the other options up thats not how democracy works (unless its proportional rep which no one who isn't stupid would never use) the most votes is for the one that says people don't have a problem with them 45% of people the largest amount in the poll is that there isn't a problem

Sure I can. And this poll isn't for democracy, it was an opinion poll.

Take a look at the options (which, AGAIN were not made by me):

Option 1: Yes there is a problem - Too many tournaments by one person.
Option 2: Yes there is a problem - Too many tournaments by one person.
Option 4: Yes there is a problem - Tournaments need more stringent policies.

Option 3: No there is not a problem

Options 1,2,4 clearly state that the voter has some problem with tournaments. Option 3 is the only one that wants to keep tournaments as is, and that only sits at 45%.

I voted for 4. But my vote has NOTHING to do with your stupid complaint about too many tournaments with the same format. My vote is for more stringent policies when it comes to allowing any colton-esque person start a tournament and run it like crap.

I will now change my vote to 3, just so you will be outnumbered by one more vote. Your complaint is stupid. This thread is stupid. Stop bitching about something that there's no reason to bitch about. More tournaments is a good thing. If you don't like it, don't play in them.

If people weren't playing in these tournaments, the organizers wouldn't make so many.

[AndrewB]

Amen, 72o!

[Bones2484]

I will now change my vote to 3, just so you will be outnumbered by one more vote.

111 that there is some sort of problem, 105 that there is no problem. Sounds like I'm not the one outnumbered.

It's rather pathetic that you guys all keep putting this on me. Look at the poll, for goodness sake. There are more people who think there is a problem than there are who don't. I'm clearly not the only one with these thoughts, just the only one that had the balls to say something.

The only reason I'm still here arguing is because over half the tournament players/organizers agree with me in some fashion.

[72o]

I will now change my vote to 3, just so you will be outnumbered by one more vote.

111 that there is some sort of problem, 103 that there is no problem. Sounds like I'm not the one outnumbered.

It's rather pathetic that you guys all keep putting this on me. Look at the poll, for goodness sake. There are more people who think there is a problem than there are who don't. I'm clearly not the only one with these thoughts, just the only one that had the balls to say something.

The only reason I'm still here arguing is because over half the tournament players/organizers agree with me in some fashion.

Your interpretation of the poll is also stupid. 133 "no, they're not making too many" to 83 "yes, they are making too many". Most of the people that chose 4 were probably thinking what I was thinking, as I explained above, so you can't claim those. So manipulate the data all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that in total, only 83 people out of 220 something agree with you that there's something to dislike about having lots of similar tournaments created by a handful of organizers at the same time.

[Bones2484]

I will now change my vote to 3, just so you will be outnumbered by one more vote.

111 that there is some sort of problem, 103 that there is no problem. Sounds like I'm not the one outnumbered.

It's rather pathetic that you guys all keep putting this on me. Look at the poll, for goodness sake. There are more people who think there is a problem than there are who don't. I'm clearly not the only one with these thoughts, just the only one that had the balls to say something.

The only reason I'm still here arguing is because over half the tournament players/organizers agree with me in some fashion.

Your interpretation of the poll is also stupid. 133 "no, they're not making too many" to 83 "yes, they are making too many". Most of the people that chose 4 were probably thinking what I was thinking, as I explained above, so you can't claim those. So manipulate the data all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that in total, only 83 people out of 220 something agree with you that there's something to dislike about having lots of similar tournaments created by a handful of organizers at the same time.

When did I ever say that all the people agree with me that people are creating too many?

I have only said that a majority of people think there is something wrong with tournaments.

If we want TO's to create as many tournaments as they want, so be it. I really won't be bothered if that's the decision that is made. But that does not mean we still can't try to come up with a way to better the entire process for everyone involved in some other fasion. Which is the point of the other two threads.

[PaulusH]

... I have done more work for Clan Tournaments and Clan League than the simple tournaments require. I know ALL about recruiting players, creating games, checking results, notifying players. Just because I don't have a shiny medal doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Try to think before you type. Thanks.

Why don't you then go simply back to the clan part
As long as you don't understand that organizing tournaments has nothing to do with medals (perhaps except for a few people) you don't understand.
What you try to do is projecting your clan experience on the tournaments, while that are other things. Please wake up

[Bones2484]

... I have done more work for Clan Tournaments and Clan League than the simple tournaments require. I know ALL about recruiting players, creating games, checking results, notifying players. Just because I don't have a shiny medal doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Try to think before you type. Thanks.

Why don't you then go simply back to the clan part
As long as you don't understand that organizing tournaments has nothing to do with medals (perhaps except for a few people) you don't understand.
What you try to do is projecting your clan experience on the tournaments, while that are other things. Please wake up

Huh? I never understand where you get half the things you say from my posts. Either you have no idea what my posts are saying, or you're imagining things.

My point has nothing to do with medals and I'm not projecting anything anywhere. I'm just trying to point out that just because I don't have a TO medal doesn't mean I don't know what it takes to organize a competition on this website. And if that is the only thing people can find a flaw in my point on? It just shows they can't form a decent argument and merely choose to dismiss it because they don't agree.

[Night Strike]

The last dozen or so posts have all been attacks on Bones, and they need to quit. If you disagree with Bones, that's fine. You don't have to flame his point of view. This thread is staying open, for now, to continue the voting, but the flames must stop.

[SuicidalSnowman]

Hey NightStrike, I know this is like 10 pages and 250 votes in, but maybe you could further define what the poll options mean. I get the idea from the last few posts (non-punctuated government discussion aside) that people might be a little confused.

Just some ideas: How is the information going to be used? Maybe just for background, maybe for presentation to admins, maybe for definitive changes?

Is answering 1,2, and 4 effectively saying the same thing, as Bones suggests? Or is Bones re-working the numbers to support his own cause?

Do we have any idea what "Organizer-Regulated" implies?

Just sort of curious myself. This seems to have quite a few people VERY heated.

[PaulusH]

The last dozen or so posts have all been attacks on Bones, and they need to quit. If you disagree with Bones, that's fine. You don't have to flame his point of view. This thread is staying open, for now, to continue the voting, but the flames must stop.

Sorry Night I see it different Bones is attacking the Tournament part of the forum.
To my opinion that should be stopped.
It isn't the first time he is doing this !

[clapper011]

hey keep it civil thanks.

clappy

[SuicidalSnowman]

The last dozen or so posts have all been attacks on Bones, and they need to quit. If you disagree with Bones, that's fine. You don't have to flame his point of view. This thread is staying open, for now, to continue the voting, but the flames must stop.

Sorry Night I see it different Bones is attacking the Tournament part of the forum.
To my opinion that should be stopped.
It isn't the first time he is doing this !

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