Tournament Creation Limits? [Poll Added By NS]

[Bones2484]

Paulus, you are pathetic. Way to completely miss the point of this entire thread with your PM.

[72o]

The last dozen or so posts have all been attacks on Bones, and they need to quit. If you disagree with Bones, that's fine. You don't have to flame his point of view. This thread is staying open, for now, to continue the voting, but the flames must stop.

I disagree with your summation. I'm not attacking Bones, I'm attacking his point of view and his false statement that the majority of poll voters agree with him. He is causing a great deal of disruption with longstanding tournament organizers, whose tournaments I enjoy and hope to continue participating in.

[Night Strike]

Then maybe the best bet would be for everyone to stop interpreting the poll and let the poll-creator interpret them once it's finished.

[Bones2484]

edit: Fast posted by NS.

[Night Strike]

The last dozen or so posts have all been attacks on Bones, and they need to quit. If you disagree with Bones, that's fine. You don't have to flame his point of view. This thread is staying open, for now, to continue the voting, but the flames must stop.

I disagree with your summation. I'm not attacking Bones, I'm attacking his point of view and his false statement that the majority of poll voters agree with him. He is causing a great deal of disruption with longstanding tournament organizers, whose tournaments I enjoy and hope to continue participating in.

It's only disrupting longstanding tournament organizers if they let it distract them. There is nothing official coming from this thread until it is announced by me, so things are business as usual until that time comes (if at all).

[Frito Bandito]

We need MORE tournament options, not fewer.

I for one, prefer many options to choose from, because I don't like all of them. Let's not do anything to restrict the kinds and number of tournaments offered.

[Timminz]

Holy fuck Paul! That's quite the personal attack/smear campaign you've launched. I applaud your blind dedication.

[72o]

The last dozen or so posts have all been attacks on Bones, and they need to quit. If you disagree with Bones, that's fine. You don't have to flame his point of view. This thread is staying open, for now, to continue the voting, but the flames must stop.

I disagree with your summation. I'm not attacking Bones, I'm attacking his point of view and his false statement that the majority of poll voters agree with him. He is causing a great deal of disruption with longstanding tournament organizers, whose tournaments I enjoy and hope to continue participating in.

It's only disrupting longstanding tournament organizers if they let it distract them. There is nothing official coming from this thread until it is announced by me, so things are business as usual until that time comes (if at all).

I will agree with that, but unfortunately, it already has distracted one of them who is my friend and clan mate. I'm trying to rectify that situation by showing that bones is in fact in the minority, and most of us do not feel that more tournaments is a bad thing. I can't see why the tournament director would think that more tournaments would be a bad thing, either, unless they led to more abandonments.

Can you explain your opinion a little bit more? Maybe then I will be able to see why you and Bones feel that this is somehow bad.

[Bones2484]

Can you explain your opinion a little bit more? Maybe then I will be able to see why you and Bones feel that this is somehow bad.

My only point was that I hated seeing more and more tournaments failing to reach their numbers in a month (and being deleted by the Directors) because a few experienced TOs were releasing TONS of tournaments at one time. It wasn't fair to new inexperienced TO's whose tournaments were being lost in the flood.

I was merely asking if people could spread out their tournaments instead of making 20-30 at one time. Is it really THAT bad to ask that we don't have 20-30 of the same exact tournament in the Create/Join at one time? Is asking to limit it to 5-10 tournaments waiting for players from one TO really an earth-shattering question?

This discussion has nothing to do with active tournaments. It is only about ones in the Create/Join forum. I have zero problem with TO's that can handle numerous tournaments at one time. If they keep them updated, I find that amazing dedication.

[danfrank]

i voted 3.. i thank you for the pm without it , i would hve no knowledge of this thread..


my idea is simply this ... Have subforums for tournaments the subforums would be based on Players needed.. Example 16 player tourneys.. 32 player tourneys .. 64 player tourneys.. Etc.. What say you

[Night Strike]

i voted 3.. i thank you for the pm without it , i would hve no knowledge of this thread..


my idea is simply this ... Have subforums for tournaments the subforums would be based on Players needed.. Example 16 player tourneys.. 32 player tourneys .. 64 player tourneys.. Etc.. What say you

Then your vote doesn't match up with your view. If subforums are added, then the Directors aren't staying out of the situation, as the option entails.

[danfrank]

i voted 3.. i thank you for the pm without it , i would hve no knowledge of this thread..


my idea is simply this ... Have subforums for tournaments the subforums would be based on Players needed.. Example 16 player tourneys.. 32 player tourneys .. 64 player tourneys.. Etc.. What say you

Then your vote doesn't match up with your view. If subforums are added, then the Directors aren't staying out of the situation, as the option entails.

How would you be getting involved in the situation?

[Bones2484]

i voted 3.. i thank you for the pm without it , i would hve no knowledge of this thread..


my idea is simply this ... Have subforums for tournaments the subforums would be based on Players needed.. Example 16 player tourneys.. 32 player tourneys .. 64 player tourneys.. Etc.. What say you

Then your vote doesn't match up with your view. If subforums are added, then the Directors aren't staying out of the situation, as the option entails.

How would you be getting involved in the situation?

Because the Tournament Directors would then be regulating tournaments by placing them into different forums.

[Night Strike]

i voted 3.. i thank you for the pm without it , i would hve no knowledge of this thread..


my idea is simply this ... Have subforums for tournaments the subforums would be based on Players needed.. Example 16 player tourneys.. 32 player tourneys .. 64 player tourneys.. Etc.. What say you

Then your vote doesn't match up with your view. If subforums are added, then the Directors aren't staying out of the situation, as the option entails.

How would you be getting involved in the situation?

Option 3 is for things as they currently are. Adding subforums would take director-action (and admin-action) to form them and keep them containing the proper tournaments, which is not staying out of the situation.

[elmerfudd]

Bones, 15-20? Back up your statement with the 15-20 tournaments I currently have posted in the join thread.

Also see below in one of my tournaments that just ended TODAY. I'll be sure to let the winner know that he should not in fact enjoy the tournament and there will never be another one. What everyone seems to be forgetting is that tourney organizers do not get paid! Its so easy to say when a tourney fills, create another one, well guess what, it is not that easy. Tournaments need to be created when the organizer has time and myself along with other organizers like HA prefer to send them out in batches. An assembly line technique is much more efficient. But whatever, like I said, I thought I was enhancing other players experience here at CC, but I guess all it did was piss of other organizers, so I will focus on rescuing abandoned tournamnets that happen every month.


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all tournament are and i like all tournament which i play and enjoy plus i dont have to wait long to play like i did in private game, they got deadbeat and rude player thanks for making my games good to play so keep on making tournament and i will join

[elmerfudd]

Can you explain your opinion a little bit more? Maybe then I will be able to see why you and Bones feel that this is somehow bad.

My only point was that I hated seeing more and more tournaments failing to reach their numbers in a month (and being deleted by the Directors) because a few experienced TOs were releasing TONS of tournaments at one time. It wasn't fair to new inexperienced TO's whose tournaments were being lost in the flood.

I was merely asking if people could spread out their tournaments instead of making 20-30 at one time. Is it really THAT bad to ask that we don't have 20-30 of the same exact tournament in the Create/Join at one time? Is asking to limit it to 5-10 tournaments waiting for players from one TO really an earth-shattering question?

This discussion has nothing to do with active tournaments. It is only about ones in the Create/Join forum. I have zero problem with TO's that can handle numerous tournaments at one time. If they keep them updated, I find that amazing dedication.

I dont like long tournament i like them fast so they need to make more tournament so we can join

[Godd]

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Godd, stop the bickering

I strongly feel that if one has the time to run 100 tourneys a day and it all goes well then let them run another 100 the next day for it is not hurting anyone if it gets full and runs smooth. those that need to worry about having to look through 3 pages to find the one they want then they should just be glad there is a place to look for them
We do need a TD/admin to step in to stop anyone from making tourneys that never get full or have too many complaints from the players.
if players are playing and enjoying then let it be

Table the rest for TD/admin to work out to improve not banter

[Bones2484]

I dont like long tournament i like them fast so they need to make more tournament so we can join

I just counted 15 tournaments of this type (or extremely similar) on the first page (out of 3) of the tournament forum. We have plenty of great options out there from numerous organizers for you to choose from

[Woodruff]

My only point was that I hated seeing more and more tournaments failing to reach their numbers in a month (and being deleted by the Directors) because a few experienced TOs were releasing TONS of tournaments at one time. It wasn't fair to new inexperienced TO's whose tournaments were being lost in the flood.

I'm a reasonably new Tournament Organizer (having only run five tournaments or so). The ONLY tournament I had trouble filling was the tournament where I was trying to get 256 entrants. I had trouble there simply because of the numbers I wanted...how many tournaments were available had absolutely no impact on it. Nor did it have any impact on my other tournaments, which all filled quite quickly.

[negoeien]

Wow I have been less and less active in the cc comunity and only play a few games anymore however I have been quite the tourney whore.
What I'm reading here surprises me, let's not forget that this site thrives on his participators and even more the ones who put a lot of work and effort in this site (making maps, suggesting improvements, moderate, just being funny, crea&ting tournaments).

I think we all should agree that this discussion is already beyond comprimises as it's clear that some feel personally attacked and we will only see variations of the same feelings/ opinions being posted.

It looks like the main fact is taht some organizers despite their enthousiasm and love for the site sort of surpress new organizers or even other organizers by ther very popular series or franchises. Fact is that they are very popular and will be filled in mostly a day. A lot of players are here for fun and like the game as it's played. I don't know how many members are on this site but it's enormous. That's why there is needed a diversity of options from tourneys to choose from.
In my humble opinion I do think many people just like the simple and straightforward tournies just because they are simple and straightforward and do not seek more. I also think taht others who are searching another more thoughtfull and harder-to-achieve will put the effort in searching all the tournies till they found some but HOWEVER could be frustrated with the load of easy popular tournies.

As a final note I don't think anyone should take this thread personal , and we should think about the users here and which they prefere.
Furthermore the solution is already met with the suggestion of subforums which make a lot of sense. Another option is to have a filter in the join/create a tournament section with the option no franchises or no single elimination tournies or... whichever options are needed. That's what I think of this matter and I hope some rest will come now. We can al work to a solution here .

[Bones2484]

Regardless, I posted this statement almost a week ago in the appropriate thread:

While I do think limiting the amount of tournaments a TO can have waiting for players is a good idea, it's obvious that many people have a concern about placing limitations on people who want to have fun serving the community... which is a perfectly reasonable concern. I only would hope that TO's refrain from making more and more tournaments if they are responsible themselves for delaying the progress of a tournament that they are already running.

Some of us have moved on from the discussion a long time ago. Hopefully everyone else can too.

[elfcasino]

IVE PLAYED IN TOURNES
BUT
I PREFER SLOWER ELIMATATION TOURNEYS

[Moya]

It is not bones who stopped b00060 from continuing his tournaments. It never is the bullet that kills people. It's the guy who pulls the trigger and for that part it was b00060 who pulled the trigger and stopped his tournaments just by not agreeing with someone elses opinion. I think that's not very bright.

bones is trying to form a discussion about how things are working. The idea is to get a result out of this. Not to attack other people. There is no reading between the lines and secret indirect attempts to undermine someones doings. It's just a simple and plain discussion about how things are working with the attempt to make them better in the end.

I think there are a few things that are fact here for everyone of us:

1. Everybody loves tournaments. The more tournaments, the better.
2. Everybody loves variety because we as humans are curious.
3. Everybody loves to find his very special tournament very quick.

My opinion:
@1: Things should get better organized by making the game search function work not just for the smaller single games but for tournaments as such because, as I stated a few posts above, a forum is by it's original meaning a place for conversations and discussions.

@2: Some of us like easier tournaments, some of us like leagues and all of us like to try out new things and new ideas on how to play tournaments. --> The game search function has to be refurbished.

@3: Even though some of you find them faster and are perfectly comfortable how things are, some (maybe even a lot) of us just don't like to stroll through 2 or 3 pages to find the one that's fitting for them. I personally hated the way of joining tournaments from day one. Why? Because everybody has it's own style of telling someone what the tournament is about and how it is played etc. Things get very confusing from time to time because of language and weak organizing skills. --> Game search function needs to be refurbished.


Therefore I beg you guys: Stop flaming and STAY WITH THE TOPIC. This is an open discussion. And nobody should need tissues

[captainwalrus]

If people can pull it off, why not? Clearly blanket restrictions are bad, as there are many people who can have many tournaments at once. If people can't do it, they won't, and they will learn fast. If someone is dropping lots of tournaments, that is one thing, but if they are running lots of tournaments, and people are having lots of good times playing them, there is no problem. There is not any problem with that.

[Tracita]

the more you fiddle w/a good thing, the worse it becomes. Please don't turn this into a site w/so many rules, it's intimidating to join or no longer b/comes fun to play. So what if there are a lot of tournaments to choose and new organisers feel like they can't get their tournaments going ? If you want to join a tournament, you do a little shopping. If the same people have a lot of tournaments and they get played, maybe it's b/c they do a good job.

What would truly be appreciated, is being able to search tournaments according to options, i.e. foggy, sunny, etc. Often I have looked for a specific type of tourney, assassin or terminator, 2 v. multiplayers. With this option the sheer number of tournays is less overwhelming to search.