Skimming Points

wacicha · Post by **wacicha** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:07 pm

Darn, I must have stepped into something here I did not fully read up on,

I try not to take any sides in this type of discussion, ecxept to say what I do....

That said I will back out now and let your discussion continue.

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:58 pm

AAFitz wrote:
KoE_Sirius wrote:If you guys only want to talk about my games..My email is doggy_sirius@msn.com.
This thread is designed for everyone.I don't think I have singled out anyone person in any of my threads.I haven't even singled out a clan or groups of people.
I'm sure you'll correct me if I am mistaken.
Geeez you guys are so defensive.

KoE_Sirius wrote:I just wish the snobbery would stop in this community. I have never refused to play anyone because of rank.If I did then I would properly still have a crown.The crown would be worthless though.
If you can't play all of conquerclub,then it tends to limit our horizons.

AAFitz wrote: You mention your games in your second line of your other thread which you refer to in this one, and then go on to call others snobs, and imply the games you play are better. Certainly pointing out your games is relevant.

I dont blame you for wanting to be able to just criticize other players because of their game choice... which clearly you are by calling them snobs, and saying you are better because of the games you play. But you really cant expect no one to show that the games you play, could be viewed as worse than those of the ones you are calling snobs.

And saying youre not targeting other players is another nice try. Clearly you are complaining about players that play private games, and not open ones, and calling them snobs.

Some people will be fooled at your subtle attempts here, but hopefully not all. You're doing a very good job of it to be honest, but its still transparent.

It may be transparent to you AAFitz,just maybe you are being a little brutal with this.I really am not wired that way.
I just believe in equal opportunities.
My thread will or won't do this,depending on how strongly risk as a community feels about losing points.

AAFitz · Post by **AAFitz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:29 pm

Its not meant to be brutal at all. You started both of these threads; essentially admitted they were aimed at getting responses; used your games as an example.

Perhaps Im confused...what exactly is your point? Is it that setting up and joining multiple freestyle games on one map is somehow better than setting up some some other form of game. Personally I disagree. I wouldnt ever have brought it up, but thats what your thread was about.

You are saying that players that avoid playing like you are snobs. I simply say that even if they are, they are actually doing the lower ranks that you are claiming to do them a favor by not skimming from them.

Its not personal. You asked for input. Here it is. Did you honestly expect everyone to agree with you?

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:48 pm

Lets put it to the vote then.

Risktaker17 · Post by **Risktaker17** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:48 pm

I join 1v1's with new recruits whenever I see one open, I've made like 5 points off of them yay!

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:03 pm

Risktaker17 wrote:I join 1v1's with new recruits whenever I see one open, I've made like 5 points off of them yay!

Yay ...Well done

Genghis Khan CA · Post by **Genghis Khan CA** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:06 pm

lol - sirius you are the biggest snob on this site! You think you are better than anyone else and anyone who didn't get a crown the same way as you has a "worthless" crown in your opinion!

Beating cooks and cadets in a game which barely resembles the original rules of risk may be fun in your opinion. If so, good luck with it!

But you should quit starting threads to justify your choice of games and condemning all who choose to play differently. It's tiresome and all you do is stir up negativity... who cares what game types people play? This is a gaming site for fun! We only mention your game choices to point out your hypocrisy.

Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses

If you had kept your mouth shut, we may have thought you were clever

AAFitz · Post by **AAFitz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:13 pm

This poll of course is so limited, as to be worth less. Either a player is joining a game as an excuse, or to skim??

Its too bad know one joins because they just want to play the game and have some fun...

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:23 pm

AAFitz wrote:This poll of course is so limited, as to be worth less. Either a player is joining a game as an excuse, or to skim??

Its too bad know one joins because they just want to play the game and have some fun...

I never thought of that.I can't add another option to the poll..So I guess its one or the other now.
Sorry

AAFitz · Post by **AAFitz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:28 pm

While you're here, what exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:40 pm

Genghis Khan CA wrote:l in a game which barely resembles the original rules of risk may be fun in your opinion.

Yeah I don't understand that. On a classic map I wouldn't mind the skimming, but on maps like Bamboo Jack and AoM magic it's pretty cheap. I joined a triples game against JR and 2 of his friends in the bamboo jack map, and I have absolutely no clue how you can win at that map. I don't blame them as I joined the map on myself, but I just can't understand why anyone considers it less assholish than playing only against people of your own rank.

Sure, people who are dicks to you and drop public games because you're a lowrank sucks, but I consider joining a game where you're almost guaranteed to win because you know how it works and the rest doesn't isn't exactly cool either.

Prankcall · Post by **Prankcall** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:48 pm

Every1 skims points ..Why is this even being brought up again. Whether it be from a master on a 1 vs 1 map beating up on all that join or by elite's hiding or protecting their points in private only games.Its part of the site get over it and deal with it..Just the way it is

Frop · Post by **Frop** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:56 pm

Snorri1234, it's quite hilarious you think we're skimming your points in a public sequential triples game we started as team 1. We all had a first time we played this map and you could start out by reading the legend (it actually tells you the objective of the map, if any, and which regions of the map give you a bonus). Apart from that you have 24 hours for each turn to think out your strategy and to anticipate your opponent's next move(s). How is that even remotely comparable to playing 1v1 freestyle speed games on that map? Not to mention that for instance comic boy's triple team could've just as easily joined that game...

KoE_Sirius · Post by **KoE_Sirius** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:17 pm

CAN A MOD LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE.ITS NOT MEANT TO BE NEGATIVE AT ALL.
IT WAS ONLY POSTED AS A BIT OF LIGHT HEARTED HUMOUR.

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:27 pm

The closest thing to skimming points I've seen is probably a high ranked team setting up a triples game hoping to suck in a few unorganized noobs. The extreme instance would be freestyle, but hey... it's their choice to join and it's easily within the rules of play. Live and learn, new players have to aquire experience someplace and it might as well be in the game.

I'm no point whore and prefer a good match over trying to harvest a few extra points from someone I think might be a patsy. There's no shortage of new players with lower ranks who have the ability to give anyone a tough go... so joining any solo game with cooks, cadets and privates isn't guarantee of an easy win and hardly qualifies as skimming.

I don't see 1v1 as skimming because those games tend to be a crap shoot. First go usually wins and the dynamics of those games is pretty much always the same. I stopped playing them because they're pretty much a bore at best.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:07 pm

Frop wrote:Snorri1234, it's quite hilarious you think we're skimming your points in a public sequential triples game we started as team 1.

No I'm not blaming you for that. I knew that when I joined I had almost no chance. You guys starting games and letting others join is no biggie, it's just the other way around that is a bit annoying. (I.e. when you join a public game on any difficult map as a pre-set team)

We all had a first time we played this map and you could start out by reading the legend (it actually tells you the objective of the map, if any, and which regions of the map give you a bonus).

Well, it's just that I have no idea about the strategy I should use. I'm just blundering along as one guy hasn't shown up anway for 2 turns, but for me this game was more of a learning experience to see how you guys do it anyway.

Apart from that you have 24 hours for each turn to think out your strategy and to anticipate your opponent's next move(s). How is that even remotely comparable to playing 1v1 freestyle speed games on that map? Not to mention that for instance comic boy's triple team could've just as easily joined that game...

True. I'm not blaming you for making the games. And certainly freestyle speed games on that map are way scarier. This game isn't actually anything I have a problem with, other than the fact I can't understand why you would want to play us as we're bound to lose anyway. It doesn't matter if the game was created to get easy points, as we can decide whether to join or not.

I never wanted to accuse you and the others of skimming points here. I'm sorry if it sounded like that. The part about our current game was just to show how some maps barely resemble the classic game.
Apologies.

wacicha · Post by **wacicha** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:14 pm

Well so far there is no reason to lock it. Everyone seems to be keeping on topic.

Sit back enjoy the ride, as long as they remain civil, then it's just like any other thread.

Timminz · Post by **Timminz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:23 pm

At first, I thought I had a problem with this. But, now I realize that this site is fun. Some people find the challenge of a good battle to be fun. Others think having a certain score is fun. I personally, enjoy a challenge (within a game), so I play against higher ranks than myself as often as possible. But if someone finds beating a new recruit on a map they don't understand enjoyable, more power to them. Really, my biggest issue with this thread/topic is the whining and complaining. From the first post, right on down to this one. If you enjoy the game, stop complaining. If you don't, stop playing.

Frop · Post by **Frop** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:24 pm

No hard feelings.

I understand it's one of the more exotic maps, but for triples it isn't that bad actually. A simple strategy on any (unknown) map would be to go for the smallest bonus, because it's usually the easiest to defend (least bordering territories). Apart from that you definitely don't want your opponent to have a bonus, so if you can't figure out anything else just stack to break a bonus.

Secondly, having deadbeats on your team is always annoying. One of the additional benefits of more experienced players is that they are less likely to miss turns (or they have a babysitter).

You're prolly right that you have a smaller chance of winning if you're playing unorganized, selflessly or missing your turns altogether. Apart from that I think sequential no cards team games provide the most equal chances for everybody, not counting the usual 'luck' factors (dice/drop/starting turn).

Personally I like the 'simpler' maps as well which only feature continent bonuses, but it doesn't really matter in what shape or size they come (Classic is obviously still my favourite though).

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:31 pm

prisonbreak wrote:I looked at all of SkyT's games and none of their opponents is over a corporol

and 1 player makes the moves for the entire team. its almost impossible to lose.

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:32 pm

wacicha wrote:I make 50 games at a time, yes the lower ranks join. But a lot of great players join. An I lose points to both.

I do not think anyone would Say I creat games to skim.

same here

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:36 pm

dezzy26 wrote:lets be totally honest high ranked players are in a no win situation.

you are damned if you only play high ranked players because your "protecting" your points.

you are damned if you play low ranked players because then your "skimming" your points

boy am i glad i suck at this game.

bingo

if you look through my active games, about 150 right now, you will see games where I am playing every rank possible and all different styles/modes. Yet If I play a low rank I am abusing the system by getting easy points. If I play high ranks than im a snob for not playing low ranks. the only thing consistant is, we complain for the sake of complaining.

negoeien · Post by **negoeien** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:48 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:
dezzy26 wrote:lets be totally honest high ranked players are in a no win situation.

you are damned if you only play high ranked players because your "protecting" your points.

you are damned if you play low ranked players because then your "skimming" your points

boy am i glad i suck at this game.
bingo

if you look through my active games, about 150 right now, you will see games where I am playing every rank possible and all different styles/modes. Yet If I play a low rank I am abusing the system by getting easy points. If I play high ranks than im a snob for not playing low ranks. the only thing consistant is, we complain for the sake of complaining.

On the other hand you'll always be a snob, i remember you made a standard game by accident, and you played very poorly, I even't had to think to win that one :p. It should have been triples

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So maybe you want nto be a new KOE sirius and defend your way of playing, which is skimming to say the least of it.
Oh and I would be happy to go on your ignore now, if i'm not already at it .

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:49 pm

Frop wrote: I understand it's one of the more exotic maps, but for triples it isn't that bad actually. A simple strategy on any (unknown) map would be to go for the smallest bonus, because it's usually the easiest to defend (least bordering territories). Apart from that you definitely don't want your opponent to have a bonus, so if you can't figure out anything else just stack to break a bonus.

Yeah I learned this

. Though I must ask what is the best bonus to go for in that map? Bamboo jack has a lot of small bonuses.
The map is pretty cool actually. Very tactical.

Secondly, having deadbeats on your team is always annoying. One of the additional benefits of more experienced players is that they are less likely to miss turns (or they have a babysitter).

True. Most of my games have been private games against friends for that reason.

You're prolly right that you have a smaller chance of winning if you're playing unorganized, selflessly or missing your turns altogether. Apart from that I think sequential no cards team games provide the most equal chances for everybody, not counting the usual 'luck' factors (dice/drop/starting turn).

Well I don't know about the no-cards thing, but you're probably right about this. A game like this is decided on who is the best team. And I must say you guys work together as a good team.

When I get a bit more games under my belt I'll be more than happy to play again. (First I gotta get premium though.)

(Classic is obviously still my favourite though).

Yup. I wanna try every map at least once, but classic (and 2.1) are the ones I like most.

AAFitz · Post by **AAFitz** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:30 pm

KoE_Sirius wrote:CAN A MOD LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE.ITS NOT MEANT TO BE NEGATIVE AT ALL.
IT WAS ONLY POSTED AS A BIT OF LIGHT HEARTED HUMOUR.

Well that actually makes it funny then.

Im being serious...its funny. Id much rather laugh at it than argue it.

Skimming Points

Do you think Skimming exists?

good grief