Prohibition Chicago [Quenched]

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:15 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Herakilla wrote:i dont really like the name of War Dept. maybe Arsenal?
I'm sorry you don't like the name because that is exactly what was there and it is staying. :)

really? well then im good

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:22 am

Night Strike wrote:I don't think the Hymie Weiss line was fixed. Perhaps move the text and box up and move the connection down to the bottom of the territory to take the yellow dots down the street.

I think switching the yellow attack dots and Alfonso Capone positions would clear that area up.

You have a random gray dot on the Belle's Driveway next to the red light.

Night Strike...all those issues should be corrected now in Version 13 below.

cicero · Post by **cicero** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:02 pm

Good to see you've got me in my rightful place

Cicero

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:05 pm

any more comments on gameplay etc.?

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:20 pm

Is no-one taking an interest? in this?

Risktaker17 · Post by **Risktaker17** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:23 pm

So many weird maps are being made!

edbeard · Post by **edbeard** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:33 pm

I'm not sure what else needs to be done?

I don't have much to say about it.

The only thing is the gameplay, but it's hard to say. Need some people to print out the map and do some home game tests.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:46 pm

i know you explained that roads are impassable in the legend but just for safety could you put another one with the impassables in the lower right corner? some people are going to come wondering is the street impassable?

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:01 am

Risktaker17 wrote:So many weird maps are being made!

Risktaker17, thanks for commenting, but what constitutes a weird map for you?

MrBenn · Post by **MrBenn** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:19 am

CairnsWK,

I've had a brief look at this map, and have the following observations:

1. The colour of the Ch. Outfit West is a bit too similar to the grey of the Public Utilities.

2. The Canadian Specials is blue on the legend, but looks a lot greener on the map.

3. There seem to be quite a few 'bottlenecks' to get territories (ie Frank Nitti > Belle's > Giggle Juice Warehouse > Sam Giancano). I know that it isn't a true bottleneck, but there's quite a few bits like this, and I'm not sure that the distribution is the same for each gang area - which might contribute to unbalanced play...

4. Is the river impassable? I expect it is, but there's nothing to say that anywhere. You could try embossing/indenting/sinking the water so that it looks more impassable, or put some shadow around the land like you've doone on the actual coastline...

That's it for now.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:03 pm

MrBenn wrote:CairnsWK,

I've had a brief look at this map, and have the following observations:

1. The colour of the Ch. Outfit West is a bit too similar to the grey of the Public Utilities.

2. The Canadian Specials is blue on the legend, but looks a lot greener on the map.

3. There seem to be quite a few 'bottlenecks' to get territories (ie Frank Nitti > Belle's > Giggle Juice Warehouse > Sam Giancano). I know that it isn't a true bottleneck, but there's quite a few bits like this, and I'm not sure that the distribution is the same for each gang area - which might contribute to unbalanced play...

4. Is the river impassable? I expect it is, but there's nothing to say that anywhere. You could try embossing/indenting/sinking the water so that it looks more impassable, or put some shadow around the land like you've doone on the actual coastline...

That's it for now.

Thanks Mr Benn...i'll look into these and post something later this week.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:31 pm

MrBenn wrote:CairnsWK,

I've had a brief look at this map, and have the following observations:

1. The colour of the Ch. Outfit West is a bit too similar to the grey of the Public Utilities.

I think those two colours are quite distinct, and all the colours are designed to fit within an art deco colour scheme.

2. The Canadian Specials is blue on the legend, but looks a lot greener on the map.

Hope this version 25 fixes that

3. There seem to be quite a few 'bottlenecks' to get territories (ie Frank Nitti > Belle's > Giggle Juice Warehouse > Sam Giancano). I know that it isn't a true bottleneck, but there's quite a few bits like this, and I'm not sure that the distribution is the same for each gang area - which might contribute to unbalanced play...

Yes, it could do, but i don't think it does....there is no difference between this and another map like Cairns Coral Coast where two islands Low is and Snapper islands hang off Port douglas, but there are no such other combinations of this confirguration on that map.

4. Is the river impassable? I expect it is, but there's nothing to say that anywhere. You could try embossing/indenting/sinking the water so that it looks more impassable, or put some shadow around the land like you've doone on the actual coastline...

Inverted,,,done.

Version 14.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:20 pm

snapdoodle · Post by **snapdoodle** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:40 am

Hey Cairns,

I'm just going to get into it.

Hope it's helpful.

-The park land in the middle of the block of the Chi. Outfit West... doesn't make sense to me. One would think they wouldn't build park land in the center of a block like that.

-Some of the outlines of surrounding the terits are different colors than others. Is there a reason for it? ex. around Joey Aiello, or the way the sidewalk from breweries changes colors when it gets to War Dept.

-The mobster's face needs some polish I think... it's his eyes i think and maybe the pale skin.

-What's been bugging me why you chose to color the territories rather than the great graphic you've got within the territories. I know that's how you've done it before, like with waterloo, but waterloo had good textures.

-Part of me wants to have the image of the mobster you have on the left, actually appear on the map. Maybe have likenesses of the mobsters present in the territories.

-The blue drop shadow in the title and where it says "Bonuses" hurts my eyes a little. It's getting a "double" effect that I don't think you're intending.

-Some of the dots on the street, like from Joey Aiello to Little Italy, seem to have dots that clash. Also, maybe have a trail of blood to indicate routes since it's a bloody mess in the streets?

-The street that runs from the Breweries to the War Dept. ends abruptly. Could it just go all the way to the end?

-The line in the legend that reads "All Public Utilities attack each other including City Hall: Any 4" feels redundant. Couldn't you just say all government buildings and have City Hall image and the other image next to each other?

That's all for now. Let me know what you think.

-snap

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:52 am

snapdoodle wrote:Hey Cairns,

I'm just going to get into it.

Hope it's helpful.

That's all for now. Let me know what you think.

-snap

Yo Snap...thanks for that, i'll look into it and see what needs adjusting.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:31 am

So, will you totally hate me if I say that the face of the gangster leaves a lot to be desired?

(honestly, I'm not a fan of the sidebar graphic... that seems like space that could be dedicated to the map. But since I seem to be the only one that's commented about it, I'll shut up now)

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:42 am

Incandenza wrote:So, will you totally hate me if I say that the face of the gangster leaves a lot to be desired?

No don't hate you, but agree with you.

(honestly, I'm not a fan of the sidebar graphic... that seems like space that could be dedicated to the map. But since I seem to be the only one that's commented about it, I'll shut up now)

Yes i no it is real estate for the map, but there's a lot of commentors who like that like bit, so i have to stay it is going to stay, but I will make some face adjustments.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:56 am

Fair enough.

Hotdoggie · Post by **Hotdoggie** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:12 am

This type of map generally confuses me however in terms of graphics I think its great. No quarms for its looks here!

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:17 am

cairnswk wrote:
Incandenza wrote:So, will you totally hate me if I say that the face of the gangster leaves a lot to be desired?
No don't hate you, but agree with you.

(honestly, I'm not a fan of the sidebar graphic... that seems like space that could be dedicated to the map. But since I seem to be the only one that's commented about it, I'll shut up now)
Yes i know it is real estate for the map, but there's a lot of commentors who like that bit, so i have to say it is going to stay, but I will make some face adjustments.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:47 pm

Cairns, i believe your working on an update? Can you advise

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:12 pm

gimil wrote:Cairns, i believe your working on an update? Can you advise

Yes Gimil...will be done shortly.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:34 pm

snapdoodle wrote:Hey Cairns,

I'm just going to get into it.

Hope it's helpful.

-The park land in the middle of the block of the Chi. Outfit West... doesn't make sense to me. One would think they wouldn't build park land in the center of a block like that.

Snap, thanks for your comments.
These blocks are only representations of the city layout in some form. If we got down and put all the blocks in they would be so minute at this scale. As for the parkland, that park is actally Garfield Park, but on this map it is used to separate those terts. So i guess it really doesn't matter if it is real or not.

-Some of the outlines of surrounding the terits are different colors than others. Is there a reason for it? ex. around Joey Aiello, or the way the sidewalk from breweries changes colors when it gets to War Dept.

Yes this is the layering effect on the sidewalk trims. Since sidewalks are not all made the same, they will come out in different shades of gray. Also there si stlight difference between the large and small map, when they are split in two maps (rather than be propogated up) then there will have to be adjustments made for the larger map.

-The mobster's face needs some polish I think... it's his eyes i think and maybe the pale skin.

Can do something.

-What's been bugging me why you chose to color the territories rather than the great graphic you've got within the territories. I know that's how you've done it before, like with waterloo, but waterloo had good textures.

Since some terts have a similar graphic, it would hard. Also the continents in play are resperesented by the different colours.

-Part of me wants to have the image of the mobster you have on the left, actually appear on the map. Maybe have likenesses of the mobsters present in the territories.

No that would only more clutter an already cluttered map.

-The blue drop shadow in the title and where it says "Bonuses" hurts my eyes a little. It's getting a "double" effect that I don't think you're intending.

Oh yes, that is quite intentional and not up for grabs.

-Some of the dots on the street, like from Joey Aiello to Little Italy, seem to have dots that clash. Also, maybe have a trail of blood to indicate routes since it's a bloody mess in the streets?

The blood would only confuse people between what was tert connection and blood trails.

-The street that runs from the Breweries to the War Dept. ends abruptly. Could it just go all the way to the end?

Since the streets are only a representation of city blocks, does it really matter? I think not.

-The line in the legend that reads "All Public Utilities attack each other including City Hall: Any 4" feels redundant. Couldn't you just say all government buildings and have City Hall image and the other image next to each other?

Yes yo-u probably could, but i prefer to show it this way, it is then consistent with the rest of the legend.

cairnswk · Post by **cairnswk** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:05 pm

Version 15.....small changesd to the face.
Pavements will be rectified when the maps are split into large and small separate maps.

oaktown · Post by **oaktown** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:37 pm

Alright, I can't really see anything major that needs to be changed in the gameplay department. I know you've said it elsewhere, but it couldn't hurt to add "roads" under the inpassables legend.

Just throwing some ideas around for discussioon...

racketeers bonus seems a bit too high... +2 maybe?

And I'd say whoever nabs the boats has a quick advantage in this one, because it'll be the only region that can't be hit via guns. What do people say about making it a +1?

The 'hold any four' public utilities - does that include City Hall?