Jesus Christ!

[Neoteny]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

[greenoaks]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

[Guiscard]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

And you are aware of ages of consent and of marriage in the Christian world historically, yes?

[joecoolfrog]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

Well I have never read or heard any Muslim claim that in Britain, there have been paedophile scandals in the recent past that were related to another religious group though !

[Napoleon Ier]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

And you are aware of ages of consent and of marriage in the Christian world historically, yes?

And you are aware that Our Lord never commited acts of genocide, paedophilia, or terrorism, yes?

[Neoteny]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

And you are aware of ages of consent and of marriage in the Christian world historically, yes?

And you are aware that Our Lord never commited acts of genocide, paedophilia, or terrorism, yes?

Neither did Allah. Your Lord, by the way.

[Napoleon Ier]

Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

[Neutrino]

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[Neoteny]

Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

Your Lord, That Guy.

[Napoleon Ier]

...Detecting distinct lack of adequate response to query...

...Napoleon's credibility diminishing...

No, he said "neither did Allah", I then specified I was referring to the Second Person of the Holy Trinity's incarnate form, not God the Father (the Muslim equivalent, very broadly, to Allah).

[Guiscard]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

And you are aware of ages of consent and of marriage in the Christian world historically, yes?

And you are aware that Our Lord never commited acts of genocide, paedophilia, or terrorism, yes?

Enlighten me as to which specific biblical passage relates to an age of consent.

[Napoleon Ier]

Doesn't specify, though I guess you could make the argument that at 14 you're considered morally mature, so therefore capable of choosing to marry. I mean if we're honest, post-puberty, it's ok, really. The point is, Mohammad was a sick, anti-semtic, paedophilic f*ck. Jesus was not.

[Neoteny]

...Detecting distinct lack of adequate response to query...

...Napoleon's credibility diminishing...

No, he said "neither did Allah", I then specified I was referring to the Second Person of the Holy Trinity's incarnate form, not God the Father (the Muslim equivalent, very broadly, to Allah).

I'm not so sure that Mohammed is really of the same nature (at least in the main body of Islam, but I could be wrong; I'm no expert) that Jesus is raised up to be. Then again, I'm not really up to speed on the fuzzy logic embodied by the strange ménage à trois associated with Catholicism...

[Napoleon Ier]

...Detecting distinct lack of adequate response to query...

...Napoleon's credibility diminishing...

No, he said "neither did Allah", I then specified I was referring to the Second Person of the Holy Trinity's incarnate form, not God the Father (the Muslim equivalent, very broadly, to Allah).

I'm not so sure that Mohammed is really of the same nature (at least in the main body of Islam, but I could be wrong; I'm no expert) that Jesus is raised up to be. Then again, I'm not really up to speed on the fuzzy logic embodied by the strange ménage à trois associated with Catholicism...

He is infallible though, which is enough.

"Your companion [Mohammad, that is] does not err, nor is he deceived
Nor does he speak out of his desire;
It is no less than a revelation that is revealed.
The Mighty in Power has taught him.
Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah."

[Neutrino]

...Detecting distinct lack of adequate response to query...

...Napoleon's credibility diminishing...

No, he said "neither did Allah", I then specified I was referring to the Second Person of the Holy Trinity's incarnate form, not God the Father (the Muslim equivalent, very broadly, to Allah).

I was actually refering to my previous query: "Why is Islam at fault for failing to be exceptional?".

[Neoteny]

He is infallible though, which is enough.

Except for that one time...

Who here is claiming Mohammed was infallible, exactly?

[Napoleon Ier]

...Detecting distinct lack of adequate response to query...

...Napoleon's credibility diminishing...

No, he said "neither did Allah", I then specified I was referring to the Second Person of the Holy Trinity's incarnate form, not God the Father (the Muslim equivalent, very broadly, to Allah).

I was actually refering to my previous query: "Why is Islam at fault for failing to be exceptional?".

Because it's barbaric and totalitarian. I don't care that some minuscule religion that died out in 1800BC preached whatever, what I do care is that right now, Islam is a huge religion that is threatning our way of life and persecuting millions worldwide. Should another elgion/ideology do the same, I'll condemn it just as readily.

I still haven't gotten an adequate response to my query about the falsifiability of your beliefs, which are clearly not thought-out, and just knee-jerk reactions.

[Napoleon Ier]

He is infallible though, which is enough.

Except for that one time...

Who here is claiming Mohammed was infallible, exactly?

No-one, I'm claiming Muslims perceive him to be, and that his actions recorded in the Qu'uran and Hadiths form a core part of Islamic dogma.

[comic boy]

And the paedophile scandals of recent years have involved which religion? The average parent cares that their childrens abuser was not following the teachings of his faith ? Its all very well discussing the moral philosophy of conflicting faiths but its the practice that impacts on people ,not the theory.

[Jenos Ridan]

To millions of Muslims, Muhammad is that something they care about, and depicting him in any way, especially in a satirical way, is the worst thing you could do to him, short of outright saying that he's a false prophet.

I forget what band did it, but one of their covers had Jesus masturbating in the garden of gethsemene. I didn't see a lot of Christians, even the uber-Fundies from the Bible Belt, go on the warpath like the aforementioned Muslims. I understand it offended them, but there is no reason to go all crazy about it.

And Greenoaks: Iran needs nukes like dead people need car insurance. What's the first thing they'll do? Why, nuke their neighbors in Iraq, that's what. Especally those pesky Sunnis and Kurds. From there, Israel.

That is all assuming that Israel can't just airstrike the facillity like they did will Iraq. Or that the US will not be in the region at all. Worse comes to worst, and they launch for us, we have a system that might just be able to shoot them down.

you are an american, you should know everybody has the right to bare arms

So, people who are clearly unstable sociopaths should be given a gun? And dictatorships should all have nukes? So then, by your standards, every miserable tinpot dictator should be able to wipe millions of people off the face of the earth at the touch of a button. I'm I understanding you right?

[Jenos Ridan]

Obviously christianity is a religion of peace and love and Islam is only a violent and hatefull religion filled with barbarians.

I've already demonstrated how, through it's lack of recognition of the temporal/spiritual divide, and the absence of dichotomy between a religious practice and society at large, and it's violently proselytizing, Islam is a dangerous, proto-fascist religion, but this has been met only by confused squeals asserting that if one religion is barbaric, surely then all other must be too, since our glorious politically correct overlords in Brussels tell us all religions are equal...

So snorrarse, seeing as how Guiscard has refused to do so, I want to ask you in want measure your beliefs aren't just a knee-jerk "all religions must be equal, (though some, Islam in particular, are more equal than others)" reaction.

Is your belief that Islam is a tolerant religion of peace and love falsifiable, snorrarse? Or is it just more politically correct white noise you're spouting onto this forum?

They are never going to listen, Naps. You can quote verses directly from the Koran until your fingers stiffen and you begin to feel like a Dhirimi. The nature of a religion does not matter to them in the slightest, remember, "All religions are equal"?

[greenoaks]

So, people who are clearly unstable sociopaths should be given a gun? And dictatorships should all have nukes? So then, by your standards, every miserable tinpot dictator should be able to wipe millions of people off the face of the earth at the touch of a button. I'm I understanding you right?

who is an unstable sociopath. Iran. based on what? biased american intelligence and media. we all know how many WMD's were found in Iraq.

as i recall the US is the only nation to drop a bomb on another nation, two in fact.

americans have also been involved in 50 wars since its inception. that is 1 every 4 and a bit years.

the US National Intelligence Estimate in November 2007 determined Iran halted work on a nuclear weapon in 2003.

it seems to me americans are due for another war and are desperately looking for a target.

[Neoteny]

So, people who are clearly unstable sociopaths should be given a gun? And dictatorships should all have nukes? So then, by your standards, every miserable tinpot dictator should be able to wipe millions of people off the face of the earth at the touch of a button. I'm I understanding you right?

who is an unstable sociopath. Iran. based on what? biased american intelligence and media. we all know how many WMD's were found in Iraq.

as i recall the US is the only nation to drop a bomb on another nation, two in fact.

americans have also been involved in 50 wars since its inception. that is 1 every 4 and a bit years.

the US National Intelligence Estimate in November 2007 determined Iran halted work on a nuclear weapon in 2003.

it seems to me americans are due for another war and are desperately looking for a target.

RAH! NEED MOAR WAR! GRAH! MUST KILL MOAR! MEOW!

They are never going to listen, Naps. You can quote verses directly from the Koran until your fingers stiffen and you begin to feel like a Dhirimi. The nature of a religion does not matter to them in the slightest, remember, "All religions are equal"?

And we can't figure out why you guys don't realize this. Of course the nature doesn't really matter, it's how it is implemented. There could be a religion that says kill "everyone you see," but as long as noone follows the religion, or those that do ignore that tenet, then what difference does it make? In reality, some people will follow the dangerous tenets of religion, but most won't, and the people who do are to blame. I'd argue all religions should be eliminated for this reason. So in that case, yes, all religions can be equally used for "evil," so to speak.

[Napoleon Ier]

Again, you lose if yo go down that road, Islam is by far the more violent religion today. My personal contention however, has always been that Islam in it's ideological basis is inherently violent, and that a large minority, even in some places a small majority of muslims do interpret it in that way, making it a danger to society and to the world, that must be eradicated. Islam is today's Nazism, and our world leader's cannot continue to appease Islamofascists who make declarations of the sort that they wish to "wipe Israel off the map".

[Napoleon Ier]

Again, you lose if yo go down that road, Islam is by far the more violent religion today. My personal contention however, has always been that Islam in it's ideological basis is inherently violent, and that a large minority, even in some places a small majority of muslims do interpret it in that way, making it a danger to society and to the world, that must be eradicated. Islam is today's Nazism, and our world leader's cannot continue to appease Islamofascists who make declarations of the sort that they wish to "wipe Israel off the map". People like Guiscard had to choose between war and dishonour, they chose dishonour and they will get war.