Jesus Christ!

[Napoleon Ier]

Yeah...I'm also a regular of the hot and sexy thread . Oh well...there's always the good ol' Confessional, when did you last go?

[ignotus]

Two month ago. I'm planing to go again in the next 10 days (before Easter).
Why do you want to know?


Well... anyways... good to have someone who is concerned with my rotten, liberal soul!

[Guiscard]

I have: the Qu'uran and the Hadiths.

Ahh! I'll mention those next time I attend a seminar by someone like Carole Hillenbrand because I'm sure she never bothered to consider scriptural evidence before!

God (Allah?) almighty, Nappy... Do you want to miss the point any further?

[Napoleon Ier]

I have: the Qu'uran and the Hadiths.

Ahh! I'll mention those next time I attend a seminar by someone like Carole Hillenbrand because I'm sure she never bothered to consider scriptural evidence before!

God (Allah?) almighty, Nappy... Do you want to miss the point any further?

I think the question is, Jizztard, can you miss the point any more? I've quoted reliable sources: the actual scriptures. You, again, are just brandishing your magic "i iz teh h1stor1an!!!!111234" shit around and expecting everyone to swallow it. You're missing the point: I'd quite like to express some views, maybe have some amusing banter alongside, and discuss things, which I can do with you sometimes. But when you pompously declare "fook of napy your teh teenage rite wingzor and iz teh middle-aged historian so im rite!!1" it really gets frustrating. It's also kind of insulting, frankly.

[sgom]

sorry if i am repeating something someone said earlier in the blog but the whole cartoon thing is not about what the cartoons content but peoples connection to the images. i didnt give a f**K about about her but imagine the outrage in the uk if someone did a cartoon of a grave robber digging up princess diana`s body and dry bumming it in the street. there would be riots in the street over what, some rich bird who married a prince. soi can understand the outrage felt by muslims over an image of someone who defines them to the core of who they are. but i also think we need controversy to start debate, which lets face somebody needs tostart talking properly tothe muslim world instead of all the shit that gets reported on the news

[greenoaks]

here is something i found amusing

Narrated Aiesha : I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them. (Book #4, Hadith #233)


Muslims may be perplexed by these passages in the scriptures, and may well ask "If Aisha was Mohammed's wife, why was she washing the semen out of Mohammed's clothes instead of out of her own panties?"

The explanation is that Aisha was only 7 or 8 years old at the time she was doing the laundry.

Although he married her when she was six and he was 57 (everyone said they made a lovely couple!), the prophet Mohammed was a great respecter of the innocence of childhood, and did not demand his conjugal rights until Aisha was nine.

Instead, he played the Islamic babysitting game of 'Mufa khathat' by tickling her thighs with his trouser-minaret, and of course when he got to the vinegar-strokes he shot off all over the place.

On her ninth birthday the marriage was consumated. Mohammed gave her a birthday cake with 8 candles, promising her she'd get the ninth at bedtime.

The lesson is that we Muslims are honorable gentlemen and should try to emulate our prophet and refrain from 'going all the way' with children under nine years old.

I was meditating on these scriptures one day last week, when something most distressing happened to me. Those of you who know me will be aware that it is my custom to put on my traditional Islamic garment, known as a Mah-kint-osh, and go down to the nearby primary school at hometime to inspect the Kuffar tarts and some of the prettier boys.

But on that particular day I found out that the Kuffar parents had complained to the institutionally Islamophobic police. I was grievously abused by an officer who called me a 'dirty old pervert'. This caused me great distress. I have never been so insulted since that time I was thrown out of the petting zoo.

Needless to say I made an immediate complaint to the authorities and pointed out that I was performing an Islamic ritual in following the glorious example of our noble Prophet (pbuh). In calling me a 'pervert' the officer had not only offended myself, but insulted the Prophet, the religion of Islam, and the entire Ummah. The situation was swiftly resolved and I obtained his immediate dismissal and £600,000 as an out of court settlement. Allah is indeed great.

[Napoleon Ier]

Two month ago. I'm planing to go again in the next 10 days (before Easter).
Why do you want to know?


Well... anyways... good to have someone who is concerned with my rotten, liberal soul!

You're better than me, trust me

Even if you do probably sing the mass in bloody Croatian.

I'm not insulting Croatian, only the damned vernacular mass.

[Napoleon Ier]

here is something i found amusing

Narrated Aiesha : I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them. (Book #4, Hadith #233)


Muslims may be perplexed by these passages in the scriptures, and may well ask "If Aisha was Mohammed's wife, why was she washing the semen out of Mohammed's clothes instead of out of her own panties?"

The explanation is that Aisha was only 7 or 8 years old at the time she was doing the laundry.

Although he married her when she was six and he was 57 (everyone said they made a lovely couple!), the prophet Mohammed was a great respecter of the innocence of childhood, and did not demand his conjugal rights until Aisha was nine.

Instead, he played the Islamic babysitting game of 'Mufa khathat' by tickling her thighs with his trouser-minaret, and of course when he got to the vinegar-strokes he shot off all over the place.

On her ninth birthday the marriage was consumated. Mohammed gave her a birthday cake with 8 candles, promising her she'd get the ninth at bedtime.

The lesson is that we Muslims are honorable gentlemen and should try to emulate our prophet and refrain from 'going all the way' with children under nine years old.

I was meditating on these scriptures one day last week, when something most distressing happened to me. Those of you who know me will be aware that it is my custom to put on my traditional Islamic garment, known as a Mah-kint-osh, and go down to the nearby primary school at hometime to inspect the Kuffar tarts and some of the prettier boys.

But on that particular day I found out that the Kuffar parents had complained to the institutionally Islamophobic police. I was grievously abused by an officer who called me a 'dirty old pervert'. This caused me great distress. I have never been so insulted since that time I was thrown out of the petting zoo.

Needless to say I made an immediate complaint to the authorities and pointed out that I was performing an Islamic ritual in following the glorious example of our noble Prophet (pbuh). In calling me a 'pervert' the officer had not only offended myself, but insulted the Prophet, the religion of Islam, and the entire Ummah. The situation was swiftly resolved and I obtained his immediate dismissal and £600,000 as an out of court settlement. Allah is indeed great.

You genius greenoaks

Jizzy and snorrarse are gonna have a fit

[Snorri1234]

Jizzy and snorrarse are gonna have a fit

Indeed. rawr rawr and all that.

[ignotus]

Two month ago. I'm planing to go again in the next 10 days (before Easter).
Why do you want to know?


Well... anyways... good to have someone who is concerned with my rotten, liberal soul!

You're better than me, trust me

Even if you do probably sing the mass in bloody Croatian.

Yes, but I know Latin ritual too.

[Napoleon Ier]

Two month ago. I'm planing to go again in the next 10 days (before Easter).
Why do you want to know?


Well... anyways... good to have someone who is concerned with my rotten, liberal soul!

You're better than me, trust me

Even if you do probably sing the mass in bloody Croatian.

Yes, but I know Latin ritual too.

Ahhh...good for you. Tridentine Mass: the Real Man's Church Service

[ignotus]

Two month ago. I'm planing to go again in the next 10 days (before Easter).
Why do you want to know?


Well... anyways... good to have someone who is concerned with my rotten, liberal soul!

You're better than me, trust me

Even if you do probably sing the mass in bloody Croatian.

Yes, but I know Latin ritual too.

Ahhh...good for you. Tridentine Mass: the Real Man's Church Service

On a down side (for you) I know Constantinopolitan Rite too.
It has a lot of singing in old Slavic languages. And the mass lasts for two hours.
Ecumenism... Isn't that a sign of liberalism in Roman Catholic Church?

[Guiscard]

I have: the Qu'uran and the Hadiths.

Ahh! I'll mention those next time I attend a seminar by someone like Carole Hillenbrand because I'm sure she never bothered to consider scriptural evidence before!

God (Allah?) almighty, Nappy... Do you want to miss the point any further?

I think the question is, Jizztard, can you miss the point any more? I've quoted reliable sources: the actual scriptures. You, again, are just brandishing your magic "i iz teh h1stor1an!!!!111234" shit around and expecting everyone to swallow it. You're missing the point: I'd quite like to express some views, maybe have some amusing banter alongside, and discuss things, which I can do with you sometimes. But when you pompously declare "fook of napy your teh teenage rite wingzor and iz teh middle-aged historian so im rite!!1" it really gets frustrating. It's also kind of insulting, frankly.

I know I'm annoying you, Yappy, but there's no need to add ten years to my age...

You haven't yet given me any evidence of pre-menarche consummation. Instead you've said 'Hadith's hadith's hadith's' over and over. I've read the scriptures. The people I've spoken to about the issue at conferences and seminars and the like have read the scriptures. The argument is no different either way. At no point is sex before the first period mentioned, and so we must conclude that Muhammad followed the fairly entrenched custom. To go against it would have surely been remarked upon directly.

[Napoleon Ier]

I have: the Qu'uran and the Hadiths.

Ahh! I'll mention those next time I attend a seminar by someone like Carole Hillenbrand because I'm sure she never bothered to consider scriptural evidence before!

God (Allah?) almighty, Nappy... Do you want to miss the point any further?

I think the question is, Jizztard, can you miss the point any more? I've quoted reliable sources: the actual scriptures. You, again, are just brandishing your magic "i iz teh h1stor1an!!!!111234" shit around and expecting everyone to swallow it. You're missing the point: I'd quite like to express some views, maybe have some amusing banter alongside, and discuss things, which I can do with you sometimes. But when you pompously declare "fook of napy your teh teenage rite wingzor and iz teh middle-aged historian so im rite!!1" it really gets frustrating. It's also kind of insulting, frankly.

I know I'm annoying you, Yappy, but there's no need to add ten years to my age...

You haven't yet given me any evidence of pre-menarche consummation. Instead you've said 'Hadith's hadith's hadith's' over and over. I've read the scriptures. The people I've spoken to about the issue at conferences and seminars and the like have read the scriptures. The argument is no different either way. At no point is sex before the first period mentioned, and so we must conclude that Muhammad followed the fairly entrenched custom. To go against it would have surely been remarked upon directly.

Ahh yes...you're saying it over the interweb so it must be true!

I've been saying Hadiths over and over because I actually have some knowledge about the subject and I have got sources for it. You're just sat there squealing about conferences you apparently go to, and about how "entrenched customs" would no doubt have been followed: whereas shaariah law clearly provides for cases of pre-pubescant wives and the Hadiths record sexual activity between Mohammad and Aisha.

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise

Al-Talaq 65-4

There was even a fatwah declared on the issue:

And here is a religious fatwah that mentions Muhammad’s physical relations with Aisha:

As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed his member between her legs and massaged it softly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his male member not like other believers.

http://www.islamic-fatwa.net/viewtopic.php?TopicID=8330

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

[heavycola]

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

What IS really annoying is your habit of 'writing teh lyk this 11121 becuz me is teh papizm' instead of arguing. What else is really annoying is your insistence on trying to patronise people a lot older and wiser than yourself.

By the way, understanding that catholicism is up there with scientology in terms of lunacy is not ignorant, it's enlightened. Islam is a load of arse too, granted, but I think catholicism wins on silliness points.

[comic boy]

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

What IS really annoying is your habit of 'writing teh lyk this 11121 becuz me is teh papizm' instead of arguing. What else is really annoying is your insistence on trying to patronise people a lot older and wiser than yourself.

By the way, understanding that catholicism is up there with scientology in terms of lunacy is not ignorant, it's enlightened. Islam is a load of arse too, granted, but I think catholicism wins on silliness points.

You forgot his habit of either distorting the views of others or plain just making things up, oh and the fact he runs away when challenged on these lies.

[Skittles!]

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

What IS really annoying is your habit of 'writing teh lyk this 11121 becuz me is teh papizm' instead of arguing. What else is really annoying is your insistence on trying to patronise people a lot older and wiser than yourself.

By the way, understanding that catholicism is up there with scientology in terms of lunacy is not ignorant, it's enlightened. Islam is a load of arse too, granted, but I think catholicism wins on silliness points.

How can you say that HC? How can you say that Catholicism wins on silliness? You mean, that condoms DON'T give you AIDS?

Oh. My. Allah. I HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH.

[Guiscard]

Ahh yes...you're saying it over the interweb so it must be true!

I'm gonna let this one lie now, Yappy... Any kind of sensible debate has become more and more hopeless with your every reply.

At the end of the day, though, why get so insulted by it all? Only the interweb after all, eh?

[comic boy]

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

What IS really annoying is your habit of 'writing teh lyk this 11121 becuz me is teh papizm' instead of arguing. What else is really annoying is your insistence on trying to patronise people a lot older and wiser than yourself.


By the way, understanding that catholicism is up there with scientology in terms of lunacy is not ignorant, it's enlightened. Islam is a load of arse too, granted, but I think catholicism wins on silliness points.

How can you say that HC? How can you say that Catholicism wins on silliness? You mean, that condoms DON'T give you AIDS?



Oh. My. Allah. I HAVE FOUND THE TRUTH.

I think on the whole it is the pointy hats that swing it.

[Napoleon Ier]

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

What IS really annoying is your habit of 'writing teh lyk this 11121 becuz me is teh papizm' instead of arguing. What else is really annoying is your insistence on trying to patronise people a lot older and wiser than yourself.

By the way, understanding that catholicism is up there with scientology in terms of lunacy is not ignorant, it's enlightened. Islam is a load of arse too, granted, but I think catholicism wins on silliness points.

Dense-cola, don't get involved here, it's above your head.

I wasn't making qualifying statements about the rationality of Catholicism, I was merely pointing out the fact that Guiscard obviously thinks he's a bit good because he studies the history of the Crusades.

Now, I don't know whether he may know more about them than I do, but the simple fact is, when it comes to the religions involved in the conflict, he's visibly entirely ignorant of their content: the man didn;t understand the concept of Sacraments. Considering he pertains to be knowledgeable about Islam based on his Crusades study, I'd suggest the fact he doesn't understand the basics of Catholicism is indicative of his poor acquaintance with Islam (which he has already made quite apparent to me).

Now, I posted some serious arguments, quoting a reliable source for understanding Islam: the actual Scriptures of that religion (so no, your signature isn't funny, and doesn't make sense). Instead of responses to it, I get comicrentboy and other clowns of meagre intellect posting derogatory remarks about Catholicism. I wouldn't mind if they were funny or serious arguments, but they're not. So Guiscard, I'd appreciate a response, or you conceding that you have failed (again) to defend your favoritest prophet and religion.

[brooksieb]

As usual, my intellectual idleness has prevented me from doing more than a brief survey of this thread.
But I take it we're in agreement that there is A LOT that is wrong with Islam.
Women's rights, anyone?

And of course, the Islamic fundamentalists are just murderous swine who should be pit in prison until they rot.

Suggs 2008! Let's give johnny arab a taste of good old British spunk says I!

Yes, it all went wrong after we pulled out east of Eden
Frankly, and I'm being quite serious, I'd much rather see our troops in Iran than Iraq.

If they do go into Iran, I reckon it will seriosuly harm the insurgency as well...and I fully agree, security priority n.1 is stopping Iran from acquiring a nuke.

well iraq and afghanistan borders each side of iran from the looks of it i think their gonna sandwich em soon, but how quick though?

[Napoleon Ier]

As usual, my intellectual idleness has prevented me from doing more than a brief survey of this thread.
But I take it we're in agreement that there is A LOT that is wrong with Islam.
Women's rights, anyone?

And of course, the Islamic fundamentalists are just murderous swine who should be pit in prison until they rot.

Suggs 2008! Let's give johnny arab a taste of good old British spunk says I!

Yes, it all went wrong after we pulled out east of Eden
Frankly, and I'm being quite serious, I'd much rather see our troops in Iran than Iraq.

If they do go into Iran, I reckon it will seriosuly harm the insurgency as well...and I fully agree, security priority n.1 is stopping Iran from acquiring a nuke.

well iraq and afghanistan borders each side of iran from the looks of it i think their gonna sandwich em soon, but how quick though?

I don't know whether scinding the front like that would give the US or NATO any strategic advantage.

[brooksieb]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

Well I have never read or heard any Muslim claim that in Britain, there have been paedophile scandals in the recent past that were related to another religious group though !

thats only a few people, it is not in our religion though, i know a religion who does!

[Guiscard]

when it comes to the religions involved in the conflict, he's visibly entirely ignorant of their content: the man didn;t understand the concept of Sacraments.

Where has this come from? I've made no assertions as to the nature of Christianity other than to state that many within Christendom have had child brides without any objection from the church. What don't I understand about Catholicism, may I ask? The Church categorically did allow Christian men to become betrothed to girls before the first menstrual cycle, and to marry after that point. It may not be specific doctrine either way but there are so many thousands of cases it cannot be remarked upon as an abnormality or a deviance.

And, regarding Islam, I have neither rejected the scriptures you posted nor denied Muhammad had sexual relations with a girl of nine. I have simply asserted that, through discussions with people infinitely better qualified than both of us (and better qualified than google search, might I add - not everything is on the net, especially regarding non-western historiography), it is very likely that the marriage was consummated after the first menstrual cycle. If it were otherwise it would have been very noteworthy and would most likely have been mentioned specifically. If you really want to continue debating that point then fine, but there is no point in me responding further.

Now as for value judgements, Yappy, then I'm more than happy to say that yes, Muhammad was a sick man for marrying and having sex with a nine year old girl. You continually characterise me as some Christian-hating Muslim-loving, but if you really believe I have a 'favoritest' religion then I don't know where you've been in various religious debates over the past few months. I dislike Islam immensely. I dislike the treatment of women, elements of the legal system, the lack of an effective secular divide... I also recognise many of the good features it brings to its adherents. And with Christianity, too, I both abhor elements of the Church and recognise the immense constitution made for the good of society over the centuries. However, unlike you, I am not ignorant enough to take a polarised 'Islam = evil, Christianity = good' stance. I also seek to explain issues surrounding those religions through many and varied factors. If you think anything in this world is black and white, Yappy, then you are a bigger fool than we've already seen. So continue to molest my words and twist them into stupid little polarised statements, and in the morning you'll get up and go to school.

[Napoleon Ier]

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