Jesus Christ!

[Napoleon Ier]

See...wasn't that hard to take defeat like a man now, was it?

Oh sure, the inevitable little "he iz teh sk00lch1ld!!111" whine at the end, but I'm used to it by now.

[Snorri1234]

See...wasn't that hard to take defeat like a man now, was it?

Reading comprehension is overrated, right?

[Napoleon Ier]

See...wasn't that hard to take defeat like a man now, was it?

Reading comprehension is overrated, right?

Not bad snorri. Not bad...still, if you do look at the actual post, Guiscard is gradually having to admit that Islam is bad, even if only by quickly covering his tracks by saying "but so is Christianity, so I'm not a bigot (honest!)".

[Guiscard]

See...wasn't that hard to take defeat like a man now, was it?

Reading comprehension is overrated, right?

Not bad snorri. Not bad...still, if you do look at the actual post, Guiscard is gradually having to admit that Islam is bad, even if only by quickly covering his tracks by saying "but so is Christianity, so I'm not a bigot (honest!)".

Still not so hot on actually reading, are we...

[Napoleon Ier]

See...wasn't that hard to take defeat like a man now, was it?

Reading comprehension is overrated, right?

Not bad snorri. Not bad...still, if you do look at the actual post, Guiscard is gradually having to admit that Islam is bad, even if only by quickly covering his tracks by saying "but so is Christianity, so I'm not a bigot (honest!)".

Still not so hot on actually reading, are we...

No Guiscard, but you'll improve, so don't worry. But here's a book that I think you may find enlightening and useful for a world-reknowned h1stor1an such as yourself.

[bradleybadly]

No Guiscard, but you'll improve, so don't worry. But here's a book that I think you may find enlightening and useful for a world-reknowned h1stor1an such as yourself.

I'm gonna show this one to some of the guys at work

[Snorri1234]

See...wasn't that hard to take defeat like a man now, was it?

Reading comprehension is overrated, right?

Not bad snorri. Not bad...still, if you do look at the actual post, Guiscard is gradually having to admit that Islam is bad, even if only by quickly covering his tracks by saying "but so is Christianity, so I'm not a bigot (honest!)".

Yeah....the problem however is that he never actually claimed Islam didn't have bad things. That is what you thought he said, but that is just due to your habit of painting people who disagree with you as evil communists so you can feel more secure in your little worldview.

See, while you are thinking we have been defending islam in this thread because we love it so much, we've actually been pointing out that you're a tremendous hypocrite. Your screams of "OMG MOHAMMAD WAS PEDO!!!" annoy the crap out of us when you insist that what he did was much, much worse than what earlier christians did.

What you don't understand Nappy is that I hate both christianity and the islam for what they have done and still do to people. You act like christianity, and catholicism in particular, are not wrong and the reason for all that evil they have done is faulty understanding of the bible. Which is bullshit because it's all down to interpretation.

[Napoleon Ier]

See...wasn't that hard to take defeat like a man now, was it?

Reading comprehension is overrated, right?

Not bad snorri. Not bad...still, if you do look at the actual post, Guiscard is gradually having to admit that Islam is bad, even if only by quickly covering his tracks by saying "but so is Christianity, so I'm not a bigot (honest!)".

Yeah....the problem however is that he never actually claimed Islam didn't have bad things. That is what you thought he said, but that is just due to your habit of painting people who disagree with you as evil communists so you can feel more secure in your little worldview.

See, while you are thinking we have been defending islam in this thread because we love it so much, we've actually been pointing out that you're a tremendous hypocrite. Your screams of "OMG MOHAMMAD WAS PEDO!!!" annoy the crap out of us when you insist that what he did was much, much worse than what earlier christians did.

What you don't understand Nappy is that I hate both christianity and the islam for what they have done and still do to people. You act like christianity, and catholicism in particular, are not wrong and the reason for all that evil they have done is faulty understanding of the bible. Which is bullshit because it's all down to interpretation.

Right. So, I can set up a religion in which an anti-semitic proto-fascist terrorist is considered a glorious, almost god-like prophet, and his book (Qu'uran/Mein kampf, au choix) is regarded as infallible, and it's all down to teh 1nniterpretat1on, right snorri?

Come on....give it up.

And no snorri, "OMG TEH GODWIN!!!111" doesn't count as a response.

[joecoolfrog]

Chris Hansen wasn't around back then, so we can't know that for sure...

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

Well I have never read or heard any Muslim claim that in Britain, there have been paedophile scandals in the recent past that were related to another religious group though !

thats only a few people, it is not in our religion though, i know a religion who does!

What abomination of English is that ?
I think you should concentrate a bit more on your schoolwork son !

[Snorri1234]

Right. So, I can set up a religion in which an anti-semitic proto-fascist terrorist is considered a glorious, almost god-like prophet, and his book (Qu'uran/Mein kampf, au choix) is regarded as infallible, and it's all down to teh 1nniterpretat1on, right snorri?

....

I take it you have never read the bible? Did you not see all the crazy shit God and his followers did?

[Napoleon Ier]

are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?

I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.

the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.

Well I have never read or heard any Muslim claim that in Britain, there have been paedophile scandals in the recent past that were related to another religious group though !

thats only a few people, it is not in our religion though, i know a religion who does!

What abomination of English is that ?
I think you should concentrate a bit more on your schoolwork son !

Brooksieb is a veteran of four armed conflicts (or is it more brooksmeister?). A little respect, hoe-frog.

[Guiscard]

when it comes to the religions involved in the conflict, he's visibly entirely ignorant of their content: the man didn;t understand the concept of Sacraments.

Where has this come from? I've made no assertions as to the nature of Christianity other than to state that many within Christendom have had child brides without any objection from the church. What don't I understand about Catholicism, may I ask? The Church categorically did allow Christian men to become betrothed to girls before the first menstrual cycle, and to marry after that point. It may not be specific doctrine either way but there are so many thousands of cases it cannot be remarked upon as an abnormality or a deviance.

And, regarding Islam, I have neither rejected the scriptures you posted nor denied Muhammad had sexual relations with a girl of nine. I have simply asserted that, through discussions with people infinitely better qualified than both of us (and better qualified than google search, might I add - not everything is on the net, especially regarding non-western historiography), it is very likely that the marriage was consummated after the first menstrual cycle. If it were otherwise it would have been very noteworthy and would most likely have been mentioned specifically. If you really want to continue debating that point then fine, but there is no point in me responding further.

Now as for value judgements, Yappy, then I'm more than happy to say that yes, Muhammad was a sick man for marrying and having sex with a nine year old girl. You continually characterise me as some Christian-hating Muslim-loving, but if you really believe I have a 'favoritest' religion then I don't know where you've been in various religious debates over the past few months. I dislike Islam immensely. I dislike the treatment of women, elements of the legal system, the lack of an effective secular divide... I also recognise many of the good features it brings to its adherents. And with Christianity, too, I both abhor elements of the Church and recognise the immense constitution made for the good of society over the centuries. However, unlike you, I am not ignorant enough to take a polarised 'Islam = evil, Christianity = good' stance. I also seek to explain issues surrounding those religions through many and varied factors. If you think anything in this world is black and white, Yappy, then you are a bigger fool than we've already seen. So continue to molest my words and twist them into stupid little polarised statements, and in the morning you'll get up and go to school.

Just for your reference, Nappy, it may help a little to read what I say, rather than ignoring it and typing out a reply based on what you think I am saying.

[comic boy]

Little boys like to play with soldiers

[Napoleon Ier]

Right. So, I can set up a religion in which an anti-semitic proto-fascist terrorist is considered a glorious, almost god-like prophet, and his book (Qu'uran/Mein kampf, au choix) is regarded as infallible, and it's all down to teh 1nniterpretat1on, right snorri?

....

I take it you have never read the bible? Did you not see all the crazy shit God and his followers did?

Hehehe...here we go. What "shit" are you refering to buddy? I'll also have you know I'm not some form of neo-reformationist sola scriptura literalist crazy, so your standardized government regulation anti-Christian weaponry issued to you at 1800hrs on the evening news by Marijnissen and his barmy red army won't work.

[heavycola]

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

What IS really annoying is your habit of 'writing teh lyk this 11121 becuz me is teh papizm' instead of arguing. What else is really annoying is your insistence on trying to patronise people a lot older and wiser than yourself.

By the way, understanding that catholicism is up there with scientology in terms of lunacy is not ignorant, it's enlightened. Islam is a load of arse too, granted, but I think catholicism wins on silliness points.

Dense-cola, don't get involved here, it's above your head.

I wasn't making qualifying statements about the rationality of Catholicism, I was merely pointing out the fact that Guiscard obviously thinks he's a bit good because he studies the history of the Crusades.

Now, I don't know whether he may know more about them than I do, but the simple fact is, when it comes to the religions involved in the conflict, he's visibly entirely ignorant of their content: the man didn;t understand the concept of Sacraments. Considering he pertains to be knowledgeable about Islam based on his Crusades study, I'd suggest the fact he doesn't understand the basics of Catholicism is indicative of his poor acquaintance with Islam (which he has already made quite apparent to me).

Now, I posted some serious arguments, quoting a reliable source for understanding Islam: the actual Scriptures of that religion (so no, your signature isn't funny, and doesn't make sense). Instead of responses to it, I get comicrentboy and other clowns of meagre intellect posting derogatory remarks about Catholicism. I wouldn't mind if they were funny or serious arguments, but they're not. So Guiscard, I'd appreciate a response, or you conceding that you have failed (again) to defend your favoritest prophet and religion.

Dense-cola! Nappy, I can almost hear your adolescent squeals of delight from here. It is pleasing and funny that someone who buys into catholicism, one of silliest major religions in the world, feels man enough to hand out judgments on the relative worth of other skydaddy-worshipping sects. As are your repeated attempts to patronise me and everyone else in here. I mean you get marks for effort, but seriously nappy,come on

[Napoleon Ier]

And don't pull that "I know about teh Islam for my Crusades study" because you're obviously totally ignorant about Roman Catholicism, and so far as I can see, Islam as well.

Also, you've failed to tell me how your belief in Islam being such a wonderful religion is falsifiable. Why? You're just blindly accepting the "all religions are equal, but Islam is more equal than others" filth you've been fed.

What IS really annoying is your habit of 'writing teh lyk this 11121 becuz me is teh papizm' instead of arguing. What else is really annoying is your insistence on trying to patronise people a lot older and wiser than yourself.

By the way, understanding that catholicism is up there with scientology in terms of lunacy is not ignorant, it's enlightened. Islam is a load of arse too, granted, but I think catholicism wins on silliness points.

Dense-cola, don't get involved here, it's above your head.

I wasn't making qualifying statements about the rationality of Catholicism, I was merely pointing out the fact that Guiscard obviously thinks he's a bit good because he studies the history of the Crusades.

Now, I don't know whether he may know more about them than I do, but the simple fact is, when it comes to the religions involved in the conflict, he's visibly entirely ignorant of their content: the man didn;t understand the concept of Sacraments. Considering he pertains to be knowledgeable about Islam based on his Crusades study, I'd suggest the fact he doesn't understand the basics of Catholicism is indicative of his poor acquaintance with Islam (which he has already made quite apparent to me).

Now, I posted some serious arguments, quoting a reliable source for understanding Islam: the actual Scriptures of that religion (so no, your signature isn't funny, and doesn't make sense). Instead of responses to it, I get comicrentboy and other clowns of meagre intellect posting derogatory remarks about Catholicism. I wouldn't mind if they were funny or serious arguments, but they're not. So Guiscard, I'd appreciate a response, or you conceding that you have failed (again) to defend your favoritest prophet and religion.

Dense-cola! Nappy, I can almost hear your adolescent squeals of delight from here.

Nope, that's just the drugs, you burnout space cadet. I however, can vividly imagine your depressed college drop-out narcotics fuelled guffawing as you quote me out of context in your signature. Go help some out disabled ethnics from Mohammad-land and stop wasting the time of people trying to disscuss metaphysics. I think snorrarse might be on the verge of making his first intelligent comment in a minute, we don't need your posts's relative-IQ-lowering sphere of influence affecting him.

[Snorri1234]

Hehehe...here we go. What "shit" are you refering to buddy? I'll also have you know I'm not some form of neo-reformationist sola scriptura literalist crazy,

I gathered, but that doesn't mean a literal intepretation of the bible is neccesarily wrong. I think your problem is that you regard every other christian doctrine (protestantism and mormons and the like) as wrong without acknowledging that there is a chance you yourself are wrong.

I can point out stuff in the bible like that time two of jacob's sons told a tribe to have all the men circumsised after which they killed them all because they were incapitated or basically any of the stories in the old testament, but I know it would be futile because you'd say you take them as metaphors or say Jesus overturned them or something.

And you will miss the point in that not everyone thinks the same as you do. I know many christians who think homosexuality is okay as Jesus said the only way to heaven was through him and everybody could join him, and I also know christians who believe homosexuality is evil and unnatural.
The point is that, sure, you may think your beliefs are very rational and all that, and to a degree you may be right. But the fact is that many passages in the bible leave interpretation very open.

so your standardized government regulation anti-Christian weaponry issued to you at 1800hrs on the evening news by Marijnissen and his barmy red army won't work.

Marijnissen is arguably the greatest dipshit in politics here.

[Napoleon Ier]

Two month ago. I'm planing to go again in the next 10 days (before Easter).
Why do you want to know?


Well... anyways... good to have someone who is concerned with my rotten, liberal soul!

You're better than me, trust me

Even if you do probably sing the mass in bloody Croatian.

Yes, but I know Latin ritual too.

Ahhh...good for you. Tridentine Mass: the Real Man's Church Service

On a down side (for you) I know Constantinopolitan Rite too.
It has a lot of singing in old Slavic languages. And the mass lasts for two hours.
Ecumenism... Isn't that a sign of liberalism in Roman Catholic Church?

No...I'll have that. Spot o' Orthodox-esque stuff, standard, I don't mind it.

[Napoleon Ier]

Hehehe...here we go. What "shit" are you refering to buddy? I'll also have you know I'm not some form of neo-reformationist sola scriptura literalist crazy,

I gathered, but that doesn't mean a literal intepretation of the bible is neccesarily wrong. I think your problem is that you regard every other christian doctrine (protestantism and mormons and the like) as wrong without acknowledging that there is a chance you yourself are wrong.

I can point out stuff in the bible like that time two of jacob's sons told a tribe to have all the men circumsised after which they killed them all because they were incapitated or basically any of the stories in the old testament, but I know it would be futile because you'd say you take them as metaphors or say Jesus overturned them or something.

And you will miss the point in that not everyone thinks the same as you do. I know many christians who think homosexuality is okay as Jesus said the only way to heaven was through him and everybody could join him, and I also know christians who believe homosexuality is evil and unnatural.
The point is that, sure, you may think your beliefs are very rational and all that, and to a degree you may be right. But the fact is that many passages in the bible leave interpretation very open.

Which is why you should never, repeat never, get your points of Doctrine from the Bible.

[Guiscard]

Nope, that's just the drugs, you burnout space cadet. I however, can vividly imagine your depressed college drop-out narcotics fuelled guffawing as you quote me out of context in your signature.

There goes that lack of real life experience again, Yappy!

You'll understand the intricacies of the world around you one day, don't worry...

[heavycola]

Hehehe...here we go. What "shit" are you refering to buddy? I'll also have you know I'm not some form of neo-reformationist sola scriptura literalist crazy,

I gathered, but that doesn't mean a literal intepretation of the bible is neccesarily wrong. I think your problem is that you regard every other christian doctrine (protestantism and mormons and the like) as wrong without acknowledging that there is a chance you yourself are wrong.

I can point out stuff in the bible like that time two of jacob's sons told a tribe to have all the men circumsised after which they killed them all because they were incapitated or basically any of the stories in the old testament, but I know it would be futile because you'd say you take them as metaphors or say Jesus overturned them or something.

And you will miss the point in that not everyone thinks the same as you do. I know many christians who think homosexuality is okay as Jesus said the only way to heaven was through him and everybody could join him, and I also know christians who believe homosexuality is evil and unnatural.
The point is that, sure, you may think your beliefs are very rational and all that, and to a degree you may be right. But the fact is that many passages in the bible leave interpretation very open.

Which is why you should never, repeat never, get your points of Doctrine from the Bible.

Excellent advice. A far better source is an infallible cross-dressing geriatric virgin who lives in a palace. Who needs drugs?

[Napoleon Ier]

Nope, that's just the drugs, you burnout space cadet. I however, can vividly imagine your depressed college drop-out narcotics fuelled guffawing as you quote me out of context in your signature.

There goes that lack of real life experience again, Yappy!

You'll understand the intricacies of the world around you one day, don't worry...

Yes Jizz-tard. Drugs iz teh rele xperience teh lyfe.

You keep telling yourself that as you smoke Hashish with your towelhead study scholar buddies.

[Guiscard]

Yes Jizz-tard. Drugs iz teh rele xperience teh lyfe.

You keep telling yourself that as you smoke Hashish with your towelhead study scholar buddies.

And you prove my point exactly.

[Dancing Mustard]

Oh wow, when did this thread dissolve into bait-the-retard? When I checked in a few days ago it was people discussing interesting factual matters in a non-pejorative detatched fashion...


...It happened when Nappy Rash arrived you say? Oh well what a suprise, that's not like him at all.

[Napoleon Ier]

Oh wow, when did this thread dissolve into bait-the-retard? When I checked in a few days ago it was people discussing interesting factual matters in a non-pejorative detatched fashion...


...It happened when Nappy Rash arrived you say? Oh well what a suprise, that's not like him at all.

Unfortunately for them, their pathetic arguments were dismantled, so they couldn't really do much other than insult me randomly.

I don't know though, you might have some particularily fascinating insight to bring to us concerning the ideological basis of Islam, or why my esteemed opposition have unfalsifiable viewpoints?

...You're just going to sit there masturbating your neurones making snide remarks of no intellectual value? Oh well what a suprise, that's not like you at all.