Jesus Christ!

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:07 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote: so they couldn't really do much other than insult me randomly.

Something which you never do ofcourse.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:13 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote: so they couldn't really do much other than insult me randomly.
Something which you never do ofcourse.

I never initiate it. Except once I think, when I confused Neoteny and Neutrino. Apologies Neoteny. You're a good guy.

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:22 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote: so they couldn't really do much other than insult me randomly.
Something which you never do ofcourse.
I never initiate it. Except once I think, when I confused Neoteny and Neutrino. Apologies Neoteny. You're a good guy.

Short memory, deluded or just another plain simple lie ?

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:34 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:You're just going to sit there masturbating your neurones making snide remarks of no intellectual value?

So Sayeth the Grand Masturbateur.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:50 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
Snorri1234 wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote: so they couldn't really do much other than insult me randomly.
Something which you never do ofcourse.
I never initiate it. Except once I think, when I confused Neoteny and Neutrino. Apologies Neoteny. You're a good guy.

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Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:29 am

Snorri1234 wrote: See, while you are thinking we have been defending islam in this thread because we love it so much, we've actually been pointing out that you're a tremendous hypocrite. Your screams of "OMG MOHAMMAD WAS PEDO!!!" annoy the crap out of us when you insist that what he did was much, much worse than what earlier christians did.

While Naps comes off as a loon, I have this to ask: How many evil things did Jesus do? How many innocents were murdered under His orders by His disciples or at His Hands? How many young women were defiled by the Twelve or the Lord Himself? Did Jesus EVER say to spread His word by the sword? How many Romans, Greeks and Jews died in which battles with His followers in Galliee? Where was His armed camp and HQ? Can you name the Cities His Disciples (Peter, Luke, Matthew, etc.) razed to the ground?

Until you address this, I don't think the agrument is remotely taking in all the facts.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:55 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
While Naps comes off as a loon, I have this to ask: How many evil things did Jesus do? How many innocents were murdered under His orders by His disciples or at His Hands? How many young women were defiled by the Twelve or the Lord Himself? Did Jesus EVER say to spread His word by the sword? How many Romans, Greeks and Jews died in which battles with His followers in Galliee? Where was His armed camp and HQ? Can you name the Cities His Disciples (Peter, Luke, Matthew, etc.) razed to the ground?

Until you address this, I don't think the agrument is remotely taking in all the facts.

You're approaching this from the wrong direction. Sure, Mohammad wasn't a nice guy by today's standards. However, was he significantly worse than any other major military figure? No.

How much private property did Sherman devastate? How many cities did the Caesars raze? How many women were raped and children killed in the Fall of Troy?

Yes, Jesus does have a better record than Mohammad. God, (who IS Jesus) however, doesn't. A 30 second Google search revealed 744 instances of God randomly killing people. Admittedly the source isn't very good, but, since they're all refrenced, I would assume at least a majority are in context. Now, I'm sure you can match me instance for instance on murderous acts endorsed by the Koran, but then you'll be missing the point. Christianity is not as squeaky-clean as you claim. Christianity is not inherently better, or worse, than Islam.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:27 am

Neutrino wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:
While Naps comes off as a loon, I have this to ask: How many evil things did Jesus do? How many innocents were murdered under His orders by His disciples or at His Hands? How many young women were defiled by the Twelve or the Lord Himself? Did Jesus EVER say to spread His word by the sword? How many Romans, Greeks and Jews died in which battles with His followers in Galliee? Where was His armed camp and HQ? Can you name the Cities His Disciples (Peter, Luke, Matthew, etc.) razed to the ground?

Until you address this, I don't think the agrument is remotely taking in all the facts.
You're approaching this from the wrong direction. Sure, Mohammad wasn't a nice guy by today's standards. However, was he significantly worse than any other major military figure? No.

How much private property did Sherman devastate? How many cities did the Caesars raze? How many women were raped and children killed in the Fall of Troy?

Yes, Jesus does have a better record than Mohammad. God, (who IS Jesus) however, doesn't. A 30 second Google search revealed 744 instances of God randomly killing people. Admittedly the source isn't very good, but, since they're all refrenced, I would assume at least a majority are in context. Now, I'm sure you can match me instance for instance on murderous acts endorsed by the Koran, but then you'll be missing the point. Christianity is not as squeaky-clean as you claim. Christianity is not inherently better, or worse, than Islam.

And, furthermore, we must look at context where violence is present in the Bible. We have countless instances of a very partisan God literally commanding Israel, his 'chosen' people, to go to war, to slaughter... In Joshua God literally rains rocks down upon the enemies, killing more than the Israelites killed themselves. Then he stopped time for a day 'until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies (this is Joshua 10). Now, the general Christian justification for this is that the Old Testament was a time of war and turbulence where such action was needed, and the New Testament was an entirely different matter. Jesus arrived to bring a new covenant, to promote peace etc. etc.

That is a perfectly viable explanation. Nothing wrong with that belief. However, the roots of Islam lie in an equally as wartorn period. Indeed, the situation in the Middle East was very similar in nature, tribal politics and customs etc. etc., to the Old Testament Near East. Is it not hypocritical, then, to denounce Islam as a violent religion? You still believe in the same God who was violent, partisan and vengeful, and claim circumstance as a reason for such actions. Indeed, could Jesus have acted any other way? He arrived at a time when Judaism was relatively suppressed, and urged his followers to work within the Roman system rather than against it. It was a different environment again to both the birth of Islam and Judaism.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:31 am

Since when was Jesus God? What verse and book of the Bible states this?

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:44 am

Skittles! wrote:Since when was Jesus God? What verse and book of the Bible states this?

Before Abraham was born, I am (John 8:58)

The Father and I are one (John 10:31)

Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father (John 14:9)

He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God. (Colossians 1:15)

In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. (Colossians 2:9)

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being. (Hebrews 1:3)

And the Church confirmed that view at the Council of Nicea in the fourth century.

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:51 am

Oh.. Right.

Thought it was only the Council of Nicea that made it so Jesus was like, actually God.

joecoolfrog · Post by **joecoolfrog** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:28 am

Napoleon Ier wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
brooksieb wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
Neoteny wrote: I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.
the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.
Well I have never read or heard any Muslim claim that in Britain, there have been paedophile scandals in the recent past that were related to another religious group though !
thats only a few people, it is not in our religion though, i know a religion who does!
What abomination of English is that ?
I think you should concentrate a bit more on your schoolwork son !
Brooksieb is a veteran of four armed conflicts (or is it more brooksmeister?). A little respect, hoe-frog.

Keep the name calling in flame wars please,it's infantile in the extreme.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:33 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
brooksieb wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
greenoaks wrote: the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.
Well I have never read or heard any Muslim claim that in Britain, there have been paedophile scandals in the recent past that were related to another religious group though !
thats only a few people, it is not in our religion though, i know a religion who does!
What abomination of English is that ?
I think you should concentrate a bit more on your schoolwork son !
Brooksieb is a veteran of four armed conflicts (or is it more brooksmeister?). A little respect, hoe-frog.
Keep the name calling in flame wars please,it's infantile in the extreme.

Well again, you first accused me of paedophilia, so I'd have to call that outright hypocritical.

@Guiscard: I think you're taking a far too literal interpretation of events that historically probably never happenned. I still don't quite see in what my claim that Islam, taken as a pure set of what are effectively ideological constructs, is dangerous and in certain respects totalitarian, excites such fervent and excited protest.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:34 pm

Stop the flaming here NOW or you you can forget whatever God you pray to, you will feel the wrath of Wicked.

ignotus · Post by **ignotus** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:40 pm

wicked wrote:Stop the flaming here NOW or you you can forget whatever God you pray to, you will feel the wrath of Wicked.

Sadam challenged Wicked's authority two times and we all know what happened then:
1) Gulf War
2) Operation Iraqi Freedom

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:47 pm

Well gentlemen it's been a pleasure discussing with you, watching Guiscrad flip flop like jay_a2j out of water was particularily amusing, as were snorri's repeated attempts to dodge questions about the falsifiability of his claims. I also enjoyed being accused of religion bashing by comic_boy and his other little friends as they threw around cheap low-blow insults at Catholicism and got all huffy-puffy about me being oh so nasty and mean them. Ickle comic boy. Anyways, much as I'd love to watch you all gormlessly argue around in circles with yourselves for some time, I've been told my violent anti-Muslim bigotry is coming dangerously close to exceding your PC quotient limit and making your little brins overheat. Feel free to PM me if you really do have anything interesting to say. it isn't that difficult, even snorri came close a couple of times.

brooksieb · Post by **brooksieb** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:39 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:
brooksieb wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
Neoteny wrote:
greenoaks wrote: are you trying to suggest that Christ was a paedophile ?
I'm suggesting that you are ridiculous.
the prophet Mohammad was a paedophile which allows muslims to claim it is a part of their culture and you're calling me ridiculous.

it is ridiculous that anyone would claim their religion made them rape 9 year old girls.
Well I have never read or heard any Muslim claim that in Britain, there have been paedophile scandals in the recent past that were related to another religious group though !
thats only a few people, it is not in our religion though, i know a religion who does!
What abomination of English is that ?
I think you should concentrate a bit more on your schoolwork son !

done that.... when you wern't even thought of!

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:39 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Well gentlemen it's been a pleasure discussing with you, watching Guiscrad flip flop like jay_a2j out of water was particularily amusing, as were snorri's repeated attempts to dodge questions about the falsifiability of his claims. I also enjoyed being accused of religion bashing by comic_boy and his other little friends as they threw around cheap low-blow insults at Catholicism and got all huffy-puffy about me being oh so nasty and mean them. Ickle comic boy. Anyways, much as I'd love to watch you all gormlessly argue around in circles with yourselves for some time, I've been told my violent anti-Muslim bigotry is coming dangerously close to exceding your PC quotient limit and making your little brins overheat. Feel free to PM me if you really do have anything interesting to say. it isn't that difficult, even snorri came close a couple of times.

Aww... Did someone get a telling off?

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:57 pm

Good riddance !

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:01 pm

Guiscard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Well gentlemen it's been a pleasure discussing with you, watching Guiscrad flip flop like jay_a2j out of water was particularily amusing, as were snorri's repeated attempts to dodge questions about the falsifiability of his claims. I also enjoyed being accused of religion bashing by comic_boy and his other little friends as they threw around cheap low-blow insults at Catholicism and got all huffy-puffy about me being oh so nasty and mean them. Ickle comic boy. Anyways, much as I'd love to watch you all gormlessly argue around in circles with yourselves for some time, I've been told my violent anti-Muslim bigotry is coming dangerously close to exceding your PC quotient limit and making your little brins overheat. Feel free to PM me if you really do have anything interesting to say. it isn't that difficult, even snorri came close a couple of times.
Aww... Did someone get a telling off?

The facsistii just banned me for that post as well...bastards. Oh well. Toodle pip for now then.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:05 pm

comic boy wrote:Good riddance !

Do you want to make an intelligent point or just make singularily stupid and unconstructive remarks?

joecoolfrog · Post by **joecoolfrog** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:38 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
comic boy wrote:Good riddance !
Do you want to make an intelligent point or just make singularily stupid and unconstructive remarks?

It was an inteligent remark,this forum is well rid of your racism and abuse.

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:40 pm

joecoolfrog wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
comic boy wrote:Good riddance !
Do you want to make an intelligent point or just make singularily stupid and unconstructive remarks?
It was an inteligent remark,this forum is well rid of your racism and abuse.

Brilliant. Say "tehy iz teh racyst!1111!!!" and that somehow vindicates your point of view, does it?

I do love the way you spell intelligent as well.

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:42 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
joecoolfrog wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
comic boy wrote:Good riddance !
Do you want to make an intelligent point or just make singularily stupid and unconstructive remarks?
It was an inteligent remark,this forum is well rid of your racism and abuse.
Brilliant. Say "tehy iz teh racyst!1111!!!" and that somehow vindicates your point of view, does it?

I do love the way you spell intelligent as well.

so did you get a forum ban or just a harsh warning?

Napoleon Ier · Post by **Napoleon Ier** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:46 pm

Both, I think...

Hello Napoleon Ier, Your account has been issued a Forum Ban, which prevents posting in the forum and accessing private messages. Comment from Moderator (moz976): You just had to push the limit, eh? Wicked just warned you not to flame outside flame wars, and what's the very next post you make? Another flame in the Jesus Christ thread. As promised, here's your 24-hr forum timeout. Yes we really do mean what we say. Regards,The Conquer Club

Oh, I also want to lodge an official complaint about this flagrant example of uninteligeent racism and abuse:

I think an interesting point was made earlier that most people are rather more concerned about Catholic priests buggering boys in the very recent past.

I love the way this complete goon thinks people are more concerned about paedophile priests (which are, in any case a myth invented by the socialo-politico-mediato-masonic sub-structures that pervert public opinion) than about Islamic terror.