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And I doubt that Clinton could swallow her pride to the point where she'd accept a VP role, so it just won't happen. At this point I'm more interested in who gets the running mate role than the candidacy itself.Snorri1234 wrote:There is no chance Obama will be VP for Hilary. It would mean he would have very little power and almost no chance of reelection. If Obame loses the nomination he'd have another shot after 4 years, but if he joins up with hilarry anything bad that happened during her presidency would reflect upon him.
Not to mention that Obama can actually unite democrats and republicans (McCain might do that too) as he is generally well liked by the people more in the center. Many conservatives are voting for him while there is no chance they'd vote for hilary.
Snorri1234 wrote: Many conservatives are voting for him while there is no chance they'd vote for hilary.

I don't think they are his economic policies, but rather your opinion of them...Iz Man wrote: His economic philosophy of high taxes, big controlling government, and a weak stance in fighting terrorism are about as far away (politically) as one can get from a conservative standpoint.

Actually, I know a guy on another forum who is very much a conservative, but still supports Obama.Iz Man wrote:If you listen to Obama followers (he has followers, not supporters), they'll say conservatives are voting for him. This is just not true.
Yeah I know. And the reason they're doing it is because McCain stands much more of a chance against her than against Obama.Many conservatives now are crossing over in the primaries (where allowed) and voting for Clinton to throw the Dem primary into a tizzy. Which is working, BTW.
Iz Man wrote:If you listen to Obama followers (he has followers, not supporters),
watch for the brillance....reminisco wrote:Iz Man wrote:If you listen to Obama followers (he has followers, not supporters),
um, exactly where the f*ck do you get that semantic distinction.
see, here in the USA, we support candidates, because we VOTE for them.
religious leaders have followers. cult leaders have followers.
but candidates for President have supporters. Artists, bands, writers -- all have supporters. because we support their activities. don't try and twist shit.
oooooo.... touchy touchy, and vulgar too...excellent.... Did I hit a nerve?:lol:reminisco wrote:um, exactly where the f*ck do you get that semantic distinction.Iz Man wrote:If you listen to Obama followers (he has followers, not supporters),
see, here in the USA, we support candidates, because we VOTE for them.
religious leaders have followers. cult leaders have followers.
but candidates for President have supporters. Artists, bands, writers -- all have supporters. because we support their activities. don't try and twist shit.
Quite clever, I might add.got tonkaed wrote: watch for the brillance....
I believe our good friend IZ is remarking on the fact that Obama's main message of Change and Yes We Can has taken on something of a religious fervor, and that it may be lacking in substance.
Hence the clever play on semantics.

Iz Man wrote:oooooo.... touchy touchy, and vulgar too...excellent.... Did I hit a nerve?:lol:
So as a loyal Obama follower, can you enlighten us all by naming specific experiences and accomplishments that qualify him for the highest executive office? One caveat, you can't use the word "change" in your answer......
and i believe that anyone who claims that the advertisements that throw out such a simplified version of Obama's message are actually indicative of the whole substance of Obama's message are, with all due respect, complete fucking morons.got tonkaed wrote: I believe our good friend IZ is remarking on the fact that Obama's main message of Change and Yes We Can has taken on something of a religious fervor, and that it may be lacking in substance.

he's written two, actually, and unlike Hillary Rodham Clinton, he doesn't hire a ghostwriter.Iz Man wrote: 1) He wrote a book.
What I don't get is that people with retarded ideas but with experience are always more qualified for the job than people with good ideas but not a lot of experience.Iz Man wrote:If you can't answer the question...... then one can only assume you follow, and not support; but for the sake of argument I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you support Obama.
So far his qualifications are:
1) He wrote a book.
Care to list some more? (remember....... can't use the word change)