the longest thread, thread - Occasionally NSFW

[Hoff]

Micheal Jackson


...he's a joke...

[argyll72]

thriller is awesome

[amandahugandkiss]

I think the quality of posts has decreased over time

just an observation







(this post is my point exactly)

[thegrimsleeper]

Well it's not like it's called "the longest thread full of socially relevant critiques, thread," is it?

[freakshow]

I think the quality of posts has decreased over time

just an observation

what gave you that impression?

thriller is awesome

Ok you might be onto something...

So I feel that our government should improve our situation in the middle east by reversing our position on Iraq setting some deadlines and offering an ultimatum to the Iraqies, get your act together or we won't be here for you.

[areyouincahoots]

Well it's not like it's called "the longest thread full of socially relevant critiques, thread," is it?

sure it is...the longest thread, thread is just the better well known short version that we all endearingly call it...what? you didn't get the memo?

[freakshow]

I have like an hour and a half to kill so I'm going to read every post.
edit: I gave up on page 2

[Scarus]

I don't know. I think the "how tall r u?" phase we went through was rock bottom. Nowhere to go from there but up....

[Machiavelli]

page 69....


now that that's out of my system....there was a scare at school today...spent 2 and a half hours outside...it was kinda cold...nothing like racial tensions to liven up your senior year...

There was a threat at my little sisters middle school. they didnt even leave the building because they could tell it was just some kid.

[areyouincahoots]

So I feel that our government should improve our situation in the middle east by reversing our position on Iraq setting some deadlines and offering an ultimatum to the Iraqies, get your act together or we won't be here for you.

We cannot possibly set any deadline because what if it gets to the deadline and Iraq isn't stable? If we pull out simply because our time is up, we'll have another Vietnam on our hands. Our government needs to focus on getting the job done, not appeasing loudmouths who are doing nothing but causing trouble by demanding a timeline.

As much as I would like for us to have a deadline, I know that it simply will do no good. The truth is that the government has no idea when we will be done there...it's all a guessing game. To be safe, we must pledge only to be out when we know that Iraq is able to function on its own as a democracy.

[areyouincahoots]

I don't know. I think the "how tall r u?" phase we went through was rock bottom. Nowhere to go from there but up....

As shallow as that phase was, I would like to propose that page 69 and the comments about being on page 69 was rock bottom...

[HighBorn]

I got 2 good friends and my Little brother over there and they dont need to be there thats all ill say..

[freakshow]

So I feel that our government should improve our situation in the middle east by reversing our position on Iraq setting some deadlines and offering an ultimatum to the Iraqies, get your act together or we won't be here for you.

We cannot possibly set any deadline because what if it gets to the deadline and Iraq isn't stable? If we pull out simply because our time is up, we'll have another Vietnam on our hands. Our government needs to focus on getting the job done, not appeasing loudmouths who are doing nothing but causing trouble by demanding a timeline.

As much as I would like for us to have a deadline, I know that it simply will do no good. The truth is that the government has no idea when we will be done there...it's all a guessing game. To be safe, we must pledge only to be out when we know that Iraq is able to function on its own as a democracy.

I hear your point but by not setting any deadlines we risk repeating Vietnam as well. In Vietnam we blindly supported an unpopular and ineffectual government. When we did pull out two things happened. The govenment which was use to the US bailing them out of trouble just left the country. The economy which was based around the American soldiers collapsed. The military which had previously relied on US support was unable to fight. In Vietnam we were fighting a war that the south was unwilling to fight, it was unwinnable. I fear we may be making many of the same mistakes in Iraq by relaying to heavily on American companies and troops. There should be a real emphisis on pushing the Iraqies into doing things for themselves. In addition we should send a signal that we aren't willing to blindly support these people, we'll protect them while they form a government but if they drag their asses than we're out.

[Hoff]

So I feel that our government should improve our situation in the middle east by reversing our position on Iraq setting some deadlines and offering an ultimatum to the Iraqies, get your act together or we won't be here for you.

We cannot possibly set any deadline because what if it gets to the deadline and Iraq isn't stable? If we pull out simply because our time is up, we'll have another Vietnam on our hands. Our government needs to focus on getting the job done, not appeasing loudmouths who are doing nothing but causing trouble by demanding a timeline.

As much as I would like for us to have a deadline, I know that it simply will do no good. The truth is that the government has no idea when we will be done there...it's all a guessing game. To be safe, we must pledge only to be out when we know that Iraq is able to function on its own as a democracy.

I hear your point but by not setting any deadlines we risk repeating Vietnam as well. In Vietnam we blindly supported an unpopular and ineffectual government. When we did pull out two things happened. The govenment which was use to the US bailing them out of trouble just left the country. The economy which was based around the American soldiers collapsed. The military which had previously relied on US support was unable to fight. In Vietnam we were fighting a war that the south was unwilling to fight, it was unwinnable. I fear we may be making many of the same mistakes in Iraq by relaying to heavily on American companies and troops. There should be a real emphisis on pushing the Iraqies into doing things for themselves. In addition we should send a signal that we aren't willing to blindly support these people, we'll protect them while they form a government but if they drag their asses than we're out.

We can't pull out, that would just result in a complete failure. And in all honesty, all the liberal demcrats in congress would love the US to fail miserably just so they can win the favor of the American public. We are training Iraqi soldiers to fight for themselves and their number is growing. Its a slow process and it has its set backs. No matter if you agree with the reason for going to war or not, it would be idiotic to just pull out. Nobody likes war, but having more troops in Iraq would help stable things. But proposing a draft would be political suicide, and I dont know how many extra troops we have to send there. Having other countires that have troops there pull them out isnt helping. To follow in their footsteps would just lead to a disaster.

[SMITH197]

i cant believe we're discusing this stuff....oh well...

I have no problem with being in Iraq. I still support our reason for being there and quite honestly, the real problem is the constant waning of support for our leadership. We elected these people into office and with voter turn out in the US as low as it is, I feel that the amount of people complaining about the government is inproportional to the voters. What I'm trying to say is, the people that complain about the government that dont vote should really have their right to complain [otherwise none as free speach] revoked. By not supporting our government, we are insulting the men and women that are serving our country and that have died for our country...

i guess thats enough for now...

[kingwaffles]

This sure seems like socially relevant commentary to me.....

[HighBorn]

yes love the thread....lol

[Banana Stomper]

You can argue that all those who don't vote, do actually vote. To not vote is to vote with the majority. Which i guess goes on to support the argument to not allow those who do not vote to complain. Also, polls show that if all those who don't vote did actually vote, the outcome would remain the same(don't ask me for a source on that, i got it from my gov teacher last year, and he's basically indiana jones, so i believe everything he says). So basically, vote or don't vote, who will know the difference Except santa, or god, but i think thats for another thread. Oh yea, and honestly, there's really no reason to vote, your vote doesn't count. I know if everyone thought that way then no one would vote or whatever, but hell, wouldn't it be fun to see what happens if no one voted. Acutally, better yet, vote with your eyes closed. Its the only way to be able to have any opinions and not have anyone destroy your credibility with your voting record.

As for iraq...whatever. It doesn't even matter. Bitch and complain all that you want that we shouldn't be there, but it won't change anything. Saying bush is retarded or whatever destroys your ethos, and quite frankly, politics make me sick because those who agree with eachother feed off of eachother and don't think, and those that disagree with eachother yell at eachother and don't think. Personally, i'll disagree with anyone about anything, just don't mistake my words for my opinions, because my opinions are all my own, and i don't want you to have them. I'm quite convinced all of my opinions are wrong, so i can't in good conscience try to make you think the same way. "I want to be able to admire your opinions like I admire your dog. Without being expected to take him home with me." Someone said that once. I like it.

[freakshow]

We are training Iraqi soldiers to fight for themselves and their number is growing.

This is sorta my point exactly. Why are we training new soldiers, Iraq had one of the strongest armies in the middle east. Why not just use the soldiers that are already trained and ready to fight. The anwser to this question is of course that we laid them all off and without a job they decided to be terrorists. I don't want us to pull out right away because I know the country will collapse, however if we're always there to hold the country together it will never become stable. Lets go offer a job to some of these terrorists. Lets tell them that there's job openings for good soldiers. And finally lets give some of these rebuilding contracts to iraqi companies and european companies. I fear with our current course we're setting up Iraq for an economic collapse and making the conditions ripe for the collapse of their govenment when we do decide to leave.

[SMITH197]

i agree with banana...

[Hoff]

Nice ramble stomper. I dont think you made a point inthe whole thing. but i guess that was your point when you said you dont want anyone to have your opinons. lol

[Hoff]

Why not just use the soldiers that are already trained and ready to fight. The anwser to this question is of course that we laid them all off and without a job they decided to be terrorists.

umm ok 1 day the iraqi soldiers are thinking nothing else but killing americans. Then the very next day say, hey i know if this were yesterday you would stab me right now, but since its today why don't you fight with us?

Some of the soldiers it was def. just about the money and that would have been fine to hire them. but some were saddam loyalist to death, and at that time saddam was still at large. So how could you know which soldiers you could trust? You couldnt, its still hard to figure that out now too i guess. But thats why i think they had to disband the iraqi army.

And you say at some point if Iraq isnt moving fast enough we should say forget it and leave? At what point is that? This kind of thing takes a long time, you cant just say at some point, ok you arnt doing good enough i quit. That just doesnt make sense.

[IthicaBMX]

all thats really great but really its just a great stadgeing point to enter Iran....

[HighBorn]

yeah that too

[Banana Stomper]

Iran is rediculous. First and foremost, this whole enriching uranium thing, the NY times keeps saying some dumb stuff. so let me fill you in. U235 is not good for bombs. In fact, it sucks for bombs. It doesn't make those real big explosions like plutonium would for example, it just gets really hot, basically. The real risk with their nuclear program is the byproducts of a nuclear reactor. Lets see, a little NUC E 101. Uranium naturally occurs with about .7 percent of all naturally occuring uranium being U235. Pretty much all of the rest is U238, which basically sucks for anything. In order to use it for a reactor, it has to be enriched, basically increase the percentage of u235 to 5 percent, except some reactors that have to use heavy water which is toxic, and sucks as a moderator...i think the canadians might use that design...regardless. When the fuel in a reactor is spent, 50 percent of it is still good, but it has to be extraced from the Spent fuel. This is done through reprocessing, which the US doesn't do, foolishly. Other countries do it, and our military does it, but commercially it doesn't happen. And here is why. People are afraid of plutonium. Plutonium makes some kickass bombs, and people don't like to have that lying around. By the way, none of it has ever been stolen or lost in the US. Carter shut down our reprocessing program. Way to go. And one problem is, is that when the fuel in the reactor reacts, you get some plutonium. So basically, as soon as the iranians start up there reactor, it could be considered plutonium production, which would not be so great...
I guess it could be considered suspicious, cause the russians offered to do all the productiona and whatnot on russian soil, but iran refused. Maybe out of pride, maybe out of terroristic intentions, who knows. honestly, I can't immagine anyone being dumb enough to use a nuclear bomb. But i guess terrorists willing to kill themselves for their cause really couldn't care less about the rest of the world.