Hurricane Gustav

[The Weird One]

for those of you who don't know: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/023114.shtml?tswind120#contents

Just curious, who is going to be affected by this? Also, good luck if you live in a coastal region. Stay safe and all that.

[Hologram]

Poor Louisiana. If this keeps up, we just may see the first abandonement of a major city in modern times.

Well... maybe.


Or maybe I'm just morbid.


Anyways, good luck all you hillbillies.

[The Weird One]

Poor Louisiana. If this keeps up, we just may see the first abandonement of a major city in modern times.

Well... maybe.


Or maybe I'm just morbid.


Anyways, good luck all you hillbillies.

the proper term would be one of the following: redneck, coonass, or dumbass.
well, mostly the first two...
I agree with you though. One of the tracks that I've seen [a rather reliable one as far as accuracy with past storms] sends it straight up through new orleans (or close enough that makes no difference)
If they suffer a direct hit from a cat 4 or five [hell, even a bad three] that city will die.

[nomaddab]

Poor Louisiana. If this keeps up, we just may see the first abandonement of a major city in modern times.

Well... maybe.


Or maybe I'm just morbid.


Anyways, good luck all you hillbillies.

the proper term would be one of the following: redneck, coonass, or dumbass.
well, mostly the first two...
I agree with you though. One of the tracks that I've seen [a rather reliable one as far as accuracy with past storms] sends it straight up through new orleans (or close enough that makes no difference)
If they suffer a direct hit from a cat 4 or five [hell, even a bad three] that city will die.

Nah they wont leave...The school busses will still be parked there and all of the cars they have car jacked have already been cut down and sold. Besides, the Plasma TV they got last time needs to be updated and Ray Nagen needs another term...They all have to stick around and vote for him...again...

[black elk speaks]

this is a city that is on the Gulf Coast, at 5 feet below sea level. its time to cut the losses and move inland.

can anyone say Nunu Orleans?

[The Weird One]

Poor Louisiana. If this keeps up, we just may see the first abandonement of a major city in modern times.

Well... maybe.


Or maybe I'm just morbid.


Anyways, good luck all you hillbillies.

the proper term would be one of the following: redneck, coonass, or dumbass.
well, mostly the first two...
I agree with you though. One of the tracks that I've seen [a rather reliable one as far as accuracy with past storms] sends it straight up through new orleans (or close enough that makes no difference)
If they suffer a direct hit from a cat 4 or five [hell, even a bad three] that city will die.

Nah they wont leave...The school busses will still be parked there and all of the cars they have car jacked have already been cut down and sold. Besides, the Plasma TV they got last time needs to be updated and Ray Nagen needs another term...They all have to stick around and vote for him...again...

to you, I have this to say: f*ck off.
Even said in jest, do you realixe the trauma that people went through. Many were stuck on rooftops for days with little to no food and water. and some of those were in need of medical aid. Yes, it was kinda their own fault for disregarding the warnings, but it matters not, show some respect for the population after what it went through.

[black elk speaks]

Poor Louisiana. If this keeps up, we just may see the first abandonement of a major city in modern times.

Well... maybe.


Or maybe I'm just morbid.


Anyways, good luck all you hillbillies.

the proper term would be one of the following: redneck, coonass, or dumbass.
well, mostly the first two...
I agree with you though. One of the tracks that I've seen [a rather reliable one as far as accuracy with past storms] sends it straight up through new orleans (or close enough that makes no difference)
If they suffer a direct hit from a cat 4 or five [hell, even a bad three] that city will die.

Nah they wont leave...The school busses will still be parked there and all of the cars they have car jacked have already been cut down and sold. Besides, the Plasma TV they got last time needs to be updated and Ray Nagen needs another term...They all have to stick around and vote for him...again...

to you, I have this to say: f*ck off.
Even said in jest, do you realixe the trauma that people went through. Many were stuck on rooftops for days with little to no food and water. and some of those were in need of medical aid. Yes, it was kinda their own fault for disregarding the warnings, but it matters not, show some respect for the population after what it went through.

this said right after you called them rednecks, coonasses and dumb asses?

[The Weird One]

That is the general population of the state as a whole. They take pride in it, normally...well, the coonass and redneck bit. I threw in the dumbass because of our craptacular education system.

[nomaddab]

Poor Louisiana. If this keeps up, we just may see the first abandonement of a major city in modern times.

Well... maybe.


Or maybe I'm just morbid.


Anyways, good luck all you hillbillies.

the proper term would be one of the following: redneck, coonass, or dumbass.
well, mostly the first two...
I agree with you though. One of the tracks that I've seen [a rather reliable one as far as accuracy with past storms] sends it straight up through new orleans (or close enough that makes no difference)
If they suffer a direct hit from a cat 4 or five [hell, even a bad three] that city will die.

Nah they wont leave...The school busses will still be parked there and all of the cars they have car jacked have already been cut down and sold. Besides, the Plasma TV they got last time needs to be updated and Ray Nagen needs another term...They all have to stick around and vote for him...again...

to you, I have this to say: f*ck off.
Even said in jest, do you realixe the trauma that people went through. Many were stuck on rooftops for days with little to no food and water. and some of those were in need of medical aid. Yes, it was kinda their own fault for disregarding the warnings, but it matters not, show some respect for the population after what it went through.

Well, We will see... Considering how they cared for themselves and for each other I dont have much sympathy. Between the killings, looting, and firing upon emergency workers trying to help them I say they dont deserve much sympathy. For the truly unable to care for themselves I am truly sorry for what they went through. It is ashame they could not depend on their community to come together and take care of them. We are talking about a group of people that were told for years it would happen and when it finally did they were all wide eyed and shocked? Give me a break. The money allocated for preperations was diverted to other places, the politicians cut and run, the people were too lazy to do anything to help themselves before hand. The thing that just blows my mind after all that happened...is they turned around and voted the same people that abandoned them back into office...So now...if the same repeats itself...I say they get what they deserve because they are the ones that had a chance to do something different and were too lazy or stupid to do it.

[The Weird One]

just curious: Where are you from?

also...you label an entire population of a city like new orleans [I forget the exact figures, but it ain't small] based on the actions of a relatively small group of people being idiots. Mayor Nagen [as well as other governors and parish presidents] were doing ALL THAT THEY FUCKING COULD!
The horrific aftermath of Katrina in southern louisiana was made worse with the utter breakdown of communication [large chunks of the state dropped off of the map entirely. for example Nobody knew what happened to St. Tammeny parish until about a week or so after the fact because there was no line of communication that could get out] In the southernmost tip of the state, local officials rallied with whatever they had, but it wasn't enough. The State and National governments' relief efforts were too slow in coming to save the lives of many who might have survived. This was a terrible occurrence for two states. Don't treat it lightly and say that ANYONE deserved it.

[Frigidus]

The funny (I'm a horrible person) part is, some people are going to have to evacuate the emergency trailers they're still living in from after Katrina. Holy shit, it sucks to be New Orleans. They should ditch that swamp.

[The Weird One]

The funny (I'm a horrible person) part is, some people are going to have to evacuate the emergency trailers they're still living in from after Katrina. Holy shit, it sucks to be New Orleans. They should ditch that swamp.

not just N.O. the mandatory evacuations are issued for pretty much anybody in south LA or MS who's still living in one.

[nomaddab]

just curious: Where are you from?

also...you label an entire population of a city like new orleans [I forget the exact figures, but it ain't small] based on the actions of a relatively small group of people being idiots. Mayor Nagen [as well as other governors and parish presidents] were doing ALL THAT THEY FUCKING COULD!
The horrific aftermath of Katrina in southern louisiana was made worse with the utter breakdown of communication [large chunks of the state dropped off of the map entirely. for example Nobody knew what happened to St. Tammeny parish until about a week or so after the fact because there was no line of communication that could get out] In the southernmost tip of the state, local officials rallied with whatever they had, but it wasn't enough. The State and National governments' relief efforts were too slow in coming to save the lives of many who might have survived. This was a terrible occurrence for two states. Don't treat it lightly and say that ANYONE deserved it.

I live in Florida....and as for the rest, blah blah blah...because it is obvious you only know the "Blame the Feds" argument. The last time I checked it was not the Federal Government that told people to go to a places that were not official shelters, it was not FEMA that left school buses where they were floddeed out instead of using them to get people out and make sure they were safe so they could be used after the storm, it was not the federal government that reallocated funds for levys and other preperations to social welfare programs. As far as a late response...Military helicopters were pulling people off roof tops the next day, food and water were being delived by boat and helicoter to places like the super dome until they began taking fire from the good citizens of New Orleans. The Navy had ships docked that housed relief workers and were a base of operations. While the peole in the Superdome were tearing the place apart and acting like the animals they are the people of Mississippi and the surrounding parishes were struggling to survive while the world concentrated on thos poor pathetic pieces of shit that could carry tvs through the water but could not carry old ladies to saftey. The bottom line is...No body should have been suprised or unprepared. Peole were told to leave. If they couldnt leave then the Superdome was open as a last resort, They were told if they have to use the Superdome to come with food and blankets and water. They ignored every warning. They chose to be lazy and not do anythng until the water started to come...

[black elk speaks]

just curious: Where are you from?

also...you label an entire population of a city like new orleans [I forget the exact figures, but it ain't small] based on the actions of a relatively small group of people being idiots. Mayor Nagen [as well as other governors and parish presidents] were doing ALL THAT THEY FUCKING COULD!
The horrific aftermath of Katrina in southern louisiana was made worse with the utter breakdown of communication [large chunks of the state dropped off of the map entirely. for example Nobody knew what happened to St. Tammeny parish until about a week or so after the fact because there was no line of communication that could get out] In the southernmost tip of the state, local officials rallied with whatever they had, but it wasn't enough. The State and National governments' relief efforts were too slow in coming to save the lives of many who might have survived. This was a terrible occurrence for two states. Don't treat it lightly and say that ANYONE deserved it.

I live in Florida....and as for the rest, blah blah blah...because it is obvious you only know the "Blame the Feds" argument. The last time I checked it was not the Federal Government that told people to go to a places that were not official shelters, it was not FEMA that left school buses where they were floddeed out instead of using them to get people out and make sure they were safe so they could be used after the storm, it was not the federal government that reallocated funds for levys and other preperations to social welfare programs. As far as a late response...Military helicopters were pulling people off roof tops the next day, food and water were being delived by boat and helicoter to places like the super dome until they began taking fire from the good citizens of New Orleans. The Navy had ships docked that housed relief workers and were a base of operations. While the peole in the Superdome were tearing the place apart and acting like the animals they are the people of Mississippi and the surrounding parishes were struggling to survive while the world concentrated on thos poor pathetic pieces of shit that could carry tvs through the water but could not carry old ladies to saftey. The bottom line is...No body should have been suprised or unprepared. Peole were told to leave. If they couldnt leave then the Superdome was open as a last resort, They were told if they have to use the Superdome to come with food and blankets and water. They ignored every warning. They chose to be lazy and not do anythng until the water started to come...

yeah, that is pretty much the way I saw it too. I distinctly remember Bush on the tube (can we still call it that?) telling people to leave the city. free will being what it is and all, a lot of people chose to stay and party.

[Fircoal]

Well, We will see... Considering how they cared for themselves and for each other I dont have much sympathy. Between the killings, looting, and firing upon emergency workers trying to help them I say they dont deserve much sympathy. For the truly unable to care for themselves I am truly sorry for what they went through. It is ashame they could not depend on their community to come together and take care of them. We are talking about a group of people that were told for years it would happen and when it finally did they were all wide eyed and shocked? Give me a break. The money allocated for preperations was diverted to other places, the politicians cut and run, the people were too lazy to do anything to help themselves before hand. The thing that just blows my mind after all that happened...is they turned around and voted the same people that abandoned them back into office...So now...if the same repeats itself...I say they get what they deserve because they are the ones that had a chance to do something different and were too lazy or stupid to do it.

As TWO said, it's many people not all were like that, and even though you should at least have a little bit of sympathy, as it's always bad when bad things happen.

[nomaddab]

Well, We will see... Considering how they cared for themselves and for each other I dont have much sympathy. Between the killings, looting, and firing upon emergency workers trying to help them I say they dont deserve much sympathy. For the truly unable to care for themselves I am truly sorry for what they went through. It is ashame they could not depend on their community to come together and take care of them. We are talking about a group of people that were told for years it would happen and when it finally did they were all wide eyed and shocked? Give me a break. The money allocated for preperations was diverted to other places, the politicians cut and run, the people were too lazy to do anything to help themselves before hand. The thing that just blows my mind after all that happened...is they turned around and voted the same people that abandoned them back into office...So now...if the same repeats itself...I say they get what they deserve because they are the ones that had a chance to do something different and were too lazy or stupid to do it.

As TWO said, it's many people not all were like that, and even though you should at least have a little bit of sympathy, as it's always bad when bad things happen.

HA HA..."as it's always bad when bad things happen." Thats classic..thank you!!

[Fircoal]

Well, We will see... Considering how they cared for themselves and for each other I dont have much sympathy. Between the killings, looting, and firing upon emergency workers trying to help them I say they dont deserve much sympathy. For the truly unable to care for themselves I am truly sorry for what they went through. It is ashame they could not depend on their community to come together and take care of them. We are talking about a group of people that were told for years it would happen and when it finally did they were all wide eyed and shocked? Give me a break. The money allocated for preperations was diverted to other places, the politicians cut and run, the people were too lazy to do anything to help themselves before hand. The thing that just blows my mind after all that happened...is they turned around and voted the same people that abandoned them back into office...So now...if the same repeats itself...I say they get what they deserve because they are the ones that had a chance to do something different and were too lazy or stupid to do it.

As TWO said, it's many people not all were like that, and even though you should at least have a little bit of sympathy, as it's always bad when bad things happen.

HA HA..."as it's always bad when bad things happen." Thats classic..thank you!!

Glad you like it. Of course it's obvious. Maybe I should have said, you should always be sympathetic when bad things happen.

[nomaddab]

Well, We will see... Considering how they cared for themselves and for each other I dont have much sympathy. Between the killings, looting, and firing upon emergency workers trying to help them I say they dont deserve much sympathy. For the truly unable to care for themselves I am truly sorry for what they went through. It is ashame they could not depend on their community to come together and take care of them. We are talking about a group of people that were told for years it would happen and when it finally did they were all wide eyed and shocked? Give me a break. The money allocated for preperations was diverted to other places, the politicians cut and run, the people were too lazy to do anything to help themselves before hand. The thing that just blows my mind after all that happened...is they turned around and voted the same people that abandoned them back into office...So now...if the same repeats itself...I say they get what they deserve because they are the ones that had a chance to do something different and were too lazy or stupid to do it.

As TWO said, it's many people not all were like that, and even though you should at least have a little bit of sympathy, as it's always bad when bad things happen.

HA HA..."as it's always bad when bad things happen." Thats classic..thank you!!

Glad you like it. Of course it's obvious. Maybe I should have said, you should always be sympathetic when bad things happen.

LOL..ok, on a serious note. Of course I dont want a repeat of Katrina in New Orleans or any where else. My main point is that we are about to get a lesson in why people should not ever rely on the governemt to take care of them. These people are in for a rude awakening, because I am sure they have been told for the past three years that the problem is being fixed and that everything will be ok so come tuck your head back onto the pigs teet and suckle away cause uncle sam will take care of you. Well, I think Gustov is about to see if my cynical outlook of governement and human nature is correct

[Fircoal]

Well, We will see... Considering how they cared for themselves and for each other I dont have much sympathy. Between the killings, looting, and firing upon emergency workers trying to help them I say they dont deserve much sympathy. For the truly unable to care for themselves I am truly sorry for what they went through. It is ashame they could not depend on their community to come together and take care of them. We are talking about a group of people that were told for years it would happen and when it finally did they were all wide eyed and shocked? Give me a break. The money allocated for preperations was diverted to other places, the politicians cut and run, the people were too lazy to do anything to help themselves before hand. The thing that just blows my mind after all that happened...is they turned around and voted the same people that abandoned them back into office...So now...if the same repeats itself...I say they get what they deserve because they are the ones that had a chance to do something different and were too lazy or stupid to do it.

As TWO said, it's many people not all were like that, and even though you should at least have a little bit of sympathy, as it's always bad when bad things happen.

HA HA..."as it's always bad when bad things happen." Thats classic..thank you!!

Glad you like it. Of course it's obvious. Maybe I should have said, you should always be sympathetic when bad things happen.

LOL..ok, on a serious note. Of course I dont want a repeat of Katrina in New Orleans or any where else. My main point is that we are about to get a lesson in why people should not ever rely on the governemt to take care of them. These people are in for a rude awakening, because I am sure they have been told for the past three years that the problem is being fixed and that everything will be ok so come tuck your head back onto the pigs teet and suckle away cause uncle sam will take care of you. Well, I think Gustov is about to see if my cynical outlook of governement and human nature is correct

hmm that is a bit true though.

[PLAYER57832]

this is a city that is on the Gulf Coast, at 5 feet below sea level. its time to cut the losses and move inland.

can anyone say Nunu Orleans?

Except that New Orleans is one of the oldest cities in the country, and has survived quite a few hurricanes quite well. The problem is that it was allowed to expand beyond its safe borders and blacks (some whites) were actively encouraged or (in the case of blacks) forced to move onto the flood plains with promises of Corps of Engineer protection.

That said... no one deserved what happened last time. I only hope folks get treated well this time.

PS "hillbillie" refers to folks in West Virginia, Northern Geoargia, etc where there are hills.

[black elk speaks]

this is a city that is on the Gulf Coast, at 5 feet below sea level. its time to cut the losses and move inland.

can anyone say Nunu Orleans?

Except that New Orleans is one of the oldest cities in the country, and has survived quite a few hurricanes quite well. The problem is that it was allowed to expand beyond its safe borders and blacks (some whites) were actively encouraged or (in the case of blacks) forced to move onto the flood plains with promises of Corps of Engineer protection.

That said... no one deserved what happened last time. I only hope folks get treated well this time.

PS "hillbillie" refers to folks in West Virginia, Northern Geoargia, etc where there are hills.

okay, the fact that Ray Naggin is quoted as saying "this is the mother of all storms" and "get your butts out of N.O." should tell you something. my prediction is that the city will not survive this hurricane. also, i think that it should not. with sea levels rising and hurricanes seemingly worse than years past, people should consider a life away from the cost if it means that they are living below sea level.

now, hillbilly was originally as you say, but since people actually migrate, those folks from the hills did not leave there title behind them as they moved away from the hills. for the record, i wouldn't consider all of N.O. residents to be hill billies, in fact i wouldn't consider them hillbillies at all, except for those of them that actually moved there from the hills of WV.

[PLAYER57832]

this is a city that is on the Gulf Coast, at 5 feet below sea level. its time to cut the losses and move inland.

can anyone say Nunu Orleans?

Except that New Orleans is one of the oldest cities in the country, and has survived quite a few hurricanes quite well. The problem is that it was allowed to expand beyond its safe borders and blacks (some whites) were actively encouraged or (in the case of blacks) forced to move onto the flood plains with promises of Corps of Engineer protection.

That said... no one deserved what happened last time. I only hope folks get treated well this time.

PS "hillbillie" refers to folks in West Virginia, Northern Geoargia, etc where there are hills.

okay, the fact that Ray Naggin is quoted as saying "this is the mother of all storms" and "get your butts out of N.O." should tell you something. my prediction is that the city will not survive this hurricane. also, i think that it should not. with sea levels rising and hurricanes seemingly worse than years past, people should consider a life away from the cost if it means that they are living below sea level.

Again, you have to distinguish between historic and greater New Orleans. But, I do agree that New Orleans needs to change to accommodate new weather/sea level conditions.

now, hillbilly was originally as you say, but since people actually migrate, those folks from the hills did not leave there title behind them as they moved away from the hills. for the record, i wouldn't consider all of N.O. residents to be hill billies, in fact i wouldn't consider them hillbillies at all, except for those of them that actually moved there from the hills of WV.

Except there has never been a serious migration of people from the hills to New Orleans. New Orleans is its OWN historic mixture of Creole, Cajun, Mulatto, ETC. groups. They look to Canada, Spain, France, Africa, the Caribbean and Native Americans. Lumping them ... or any other part of the south with "hill billies" is just plain wrong. The coast has always been quite different from the inland south. Historically, you approached the far south by sea, the overland routes were very, very difficult and treacherous. Contact was little, so the cultures were quite different. About the only similarity between Cajun bayou culture, Gulf Coast culture and hill country culture is that they have all been dominated by poverty. But those hill folk would often have more in common with folks from Upper New York or the Midwest than the Bayou or coast.

[black elk speaks]

now, hillbilly was originally as you say, but since people actually migrate, those folks from the hills did not leave there title behind them as they moved away from the hills. for the record, i wouldn't consider all of N.O. residents to be hill billies, in fact i wouldn't consider them hillbillies at all, except for those of them that actually moved there from the hills of WV.

Except there has never been a serious migration of people from the hills to New Orleans. New Orleans is its OWN historic mixture of Creole, Cajun, Mulatto, ETC. groups. They look to Canada, Spain, France, Africa, the Caribbean and Native Americans. Lumping them ... or any other part of the south with "hill billies" is just plain wrong. The coast has always been quite different from the inland south. Historically, you approached the far south by sea, the overland routes were very, very difficult and treacherous. Contact was little, so the cultures were quite different. About the only similarity between Cajun bayou culture, Gulf Coast culture and hill country culture is that they have all been dominated by poverty. But those hill folk would often have more in common with folks from Upper New York or the Midwest than the Bayou or coast.

yes, i fully agree. I was only pointing out that hillbillies could actually exist outside of the confines of the hilly areas of West Virginia and the like.

[Calidrmr]

for those of you who don't know: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/023114.shtml?tswind120#contents

Just curious, who is going to be affected by this? Also, good luck if you live in a coastal region. Stay safe and all that.

Not affected, TG...but echo TWO's sentiment...good luck & stay safe any of you in the way of this...

[obijon]

everyone duck! i always worry about storms in the Gulf cause my sister and her husband live an hour west of Tallahassee......