Skoffin's Madhouse mafia Day Seven

[kwanton]

Considering how rare Princess is because of how generally frowned upon it is as a role, I doubt it's in here, even in a game this crazy. In fact, it would probably stall the madness.

Agreed. i don't believe the claim but I also don't believe that athena/ares/god are priority lynches. but if we were to go with the basic rule of lynch all liars....

[Skittles!]

Considering how rare Princess is because of how generally frowned upon it is as a role, I doubt it's in here, even in a game this crazy. In fact, it would probably stall the madness.

Oh come on. You know SKoffin is biased against me *Rocks falls, everyone dies *.

Maybe she didn't like the person I replaced, I dono. But I am telling the truth. I did it as loose paraphrasing as I could, and that's all I can do.

I'm not aligned to any god, or scum. I win when Town win.

[F1fth]

See why scum might like this claim? Because town are always extremely hesitant to chance a lynch (also because it's easy to cast suspicion on a townie voting for a princess).

Anyway, to respond to Kwan's call to weigh-in on Skittles, I say we lynch him. At best, we free up a lot of people from their third-party obligations before they kill each other off. At worst, we lose a day. It's a tough loss, considering we're relatively dry on catching scum, but I'd say it's worth the risk, no?

[F1fth]

Vote Skittles

[Skittles!]

You all underestimate the power of Skoffin's craziness.

[mandalorian2298]

I think it would be a better use of our time to look for scum than a god.

Hello new sig-quote!

[Anarkistsdream]

Anyway, whats starting to bother me as that Anark made a weak case on voting me, the LSU just jumps on in. Anark, why do you beleive Skittles! so easily, yet you started something like an inquisition over dito/clive. Im not sure but maybe it's these two are Athenian cult, trying to save their leader.

Or maybe I have a reason to believe Skittles! claim...

[Neutrino]

While this may seem like (and, in fact, is) metagaming to the extreme, I'm marginally inclined to trust Reed. I've seen a couple of instances where he was complaining to Skoffin about his extremely boring role. Mafia roles (or any kind of scum, really), as a general rule, aren't boring. Now, it may be that he had the amazing forsight needed to create an excuse days or weeks before it was actually used, but I'm still inclined to believe what he's saying.
That and the fact that lynching a Princess won't do the town any good.

Now, this is just a preliminary Get-Skoffin-Off-My-Back post so it doesn't make a great deal of sense (I am fully aware of how Pro-Reed I sound...). I'll make another tomorrow (make that thursday) which should hopefully make a little more sense.
That is all.

[Anarkistsdream]

There we go... Two people who believe his claim.

However, William is truly pushing for a lynch and claims that it will 'help him out.'

We all know that killing a Princess gives scum two night actions...

This would be completely idiotic...

So, considering William thinks this would benefit him, he must be scum.

[ace1217]

Thats pretty flawed anark, he could be a power role.

[Anarkistsdream]

Thats pretty flawed anark, he could be a power role.

I've never heard of that variation personally, I always thought her Funeral happens in the day, regardless of the manner or timing of the killing (except maybe a janitor killing perhaps?)

Exactly... Which makes me think William is lying to try and get us to lynch a town role. That would give him two nights to do his scum crap.

Unvote
Vote: William18

What??? I assumed we would get an extra day(skip the night, but this varies from mod to mod).

Maybe that will put it in perspective for you, Ace...

[Anarkistsdream]

Oh, and Ace... If you wouldn't skim, I may not have had to show you that.

[F1fth]

All I've seen about WIlliam is that he misunderstood a role. You're thing against him is about as ridiculous as his thing against you... well, actually, yours is better than "he voted the same as me a couple times, he must be scum" but you get what I'm saying.

But what Neutrino said makes sense. It would take a lot of foresight to be able to plant that comment. But the unfortunate thing is that if Skittles is a princess, he may be killed anyway by scum or even pro-Ares people to test his claim (I'm assuming they have killing roles since their job is to kill the other god.)

So, how do we deal with that? But then again, he might still be Athena though. It wouldn't be that unlikely that someone look at their role, see that they are powerful and third-party, and claim to have a boring role to avoid suspicion. Especially since the gods are looking for each other and don't want to do anything to give away their identity.

I don't know. He definitely could be Athena. What do you guys think?

[pancakemix]

While this may seem like (and, in fact, is) metagaming to the extreme, I'm marginally inclined to trust Reed. I've seen a couple of instances where he was complaining to Skoffin about his extremely boring role. Mafia roles (or any kind of scum, really), as a general rule, aren't boring. Now, it may be that he had the amazing forsight needed to create an excuse days or weeks before it was actually used, but I'm still inclined to believe what he's saying.
That and the fact that lynching a Princess won't do the town any good.

If I were a princess, I wouldn't be bored. I'd be paranoid.

[william18]

All I've seen about WIlliam is that he misunderstood a role. You're thing against him is about as ridiculous as his thing against you... well, actually, yours is better than "he voted the same as me a couple times, he must be scum" but you get what I'm saying.

ehh that was ace not me.

[Skittles!]

Okay, Skoffin made it really lame.

If I get killed at any time then that skips the following day.

Well, f*ck.

[Sierra_Leon]

All I've seen about WIlliam is that he misunderstood a role. You're thing against him is about as ridiculous as his thing against you... well, actually, yours is better than "he voted the same as me a couple times, he must be scum" but you get what I'm saying.

But what Neutrino said makes sense. It would take a lot of foresight to be able to plant that comment. But the unfortunate thing is that if Skittles is a princess, he may be killed anyway by scum or even pro-Ares people to test his claim (I'm assuming they have killing roles since their job is to kill the other god.)

So, how do we deal with that? But then again, he might still be Athena though. It wouldn't be that unlikely that someone look at their role, see that they are powerful and third-party, and claim to have a boring role to avoid suspicion. Especially since the gods are looking for each other and don't want to do anything to give away their identity.

I don't know. He definitely could be Athena. What do you guys think?

I don't think Skittles! is Athena or Ares. I do think Skittles! is scummy - even though I'm looking for Ares, I'll keep looking for mafia scumtells too - so I would vote him if a deadline nears and there's no better lead on someone being Ares.

About his roleclaim: there appears to be a general agreement that Skittles! is scummy. If people unvote him just because of his Beloved Princess claim, you would basicly be saying that you'll never lynch anyone claiming to be a Beloved Princess. If you think Skittles! is Ares or mafia, you should vote him regardless of his claim, because he has no way to back up his claim with evidence.

[animorpherv1]

Sierra, the prolem is, that what if he isn't lying, you want Ares killed, right? The best way (that I can think of) to do that is to NOT skip day phases, if Skittles! isn't lying, then there 1 less townie, and a day phase skipped. That's not good.

[pancakemix]

Here's the deal: Skittles WILL die eventually, even with doc protection. I recommend his lynch today. If he's telling the truth, we lose a day now and avoid losing a day later on with less people, possibly even in LYLO. If he's lying, we bag someone who's not pro-town.

I don't see any obvious flaws with this plan. Thoughts?

[Skittles!]

Well.. Even if I do die, I get to be a replacement! Woo-hoo.

Though, giving Scum two people to kill over night really isn't a good idea, IMO.

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Well, there is a decent, but not perfect chance that some of the scum faction is missing, so I would say now would be the best time to go for it rather than allowing the Night killer's to get to control the timing. Though I am having a few more thoughts.
Neutrino is active, meaning it is possible, as I had said that he is Athena, if we assume Skittles has made a believable claim.
This cult thing is already out of hand, if it is allowed to grow, it will be impossible to lynch either faction later since they will be the informed majority who will always side against lynching each other.
As you had mentioned, killing a princess is irresistible to scum, so if we need Skittles dead, I believe we should just agree not to protect him in any form tonight. Why? Well, look at it this way. (at least for the worst case senario)
Option A
Day four: we lynch skittles; role; beloved princess.
Night four; scum kill
Day five: skipped
Night five; scum kill
End result: One townie dead, two scum kills

Option B
Day Four: We make sure not to protect skittles, get someone else lynched
Night Four: Scum, jack the ripper, or a vig affiliated with the ares cult kills Stittles; beloved princess
Day five: skipped
Night five: scum kill
End Result: One Townie dead, One town lynch, One Scum kill
Either way everyone wins, but at least we get a bit more control in Option B
Then again scum may be inactive, and there is still a good chance Skittles is Athena.
Anyways Unvote even though Salubri completely ignored any of my comments.

[kwanton]

Here's the deal: Skittles WILL die eventually, even with doc protection. I recommend his lynch today. If he's telling the truth, we lose a day now and avoid losing a day later on with less people, possibly even in LYLO. If he's lying, we bag someone who's not pro-town.

I don't see any obvious flaws with this plan. Thoughts?

I somewhat agree. It is much better to lose a day now than with less people. Much, much better. But that's assuming that skittles! will eventually die (all this depends on him telling the truth however which I do not believe). For those of you who believe his claim, I think it's a matter of take a chance and not lynch him when there's a possibility of him losing the game for us later on or lynching him now when it's relatively safe even though he might not be killed later. Sure, 2 will die in a row now but we have townies to spare. Also, to add to PCM's thought, it seems like scum do not know who the god faction members are. If both Athena and Ares have recruited all three nights, that's six non-town targets for scum already. Plus any other third party members. Plus I see no dead docs or roleblockers. People make it sound like scum will definitely hit town twice if skittles! is lynched, when that is incredibly far from the case. Also if we have a vig rummaging about, I'd suggest that you only kill once unless you're 99% sure you know 2 scums. his is to make the kil count even less.

So in light of PCM's post I'm going to shift over to the lynch skittles! side. First I believe he's lying. Second it is much safer to let him die now than later.

vote skittles!

[F1fth]

All I've seen about WIlliam is that he misunderstood a role. You're thing against him is about as ridiculous as his thing against you... well, actually, yours is better than "he voted the same as me a couple times, he must be scum" but you get what I'm saying.

ehh that was ace not me.

I apologize. I always get you two mixed up.

But I agree with Kwan and PCM. I'm sure there are plenty of protection roles out there, and it's early on in the game. And as has been said, if Skittles is telling the truth, then he might be much more of a problem if he dies later on in the game. I'm keeping my vote.

[Skittles!]

What is the vote count?

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I'm going to Vote Skittles! as well, for now, until we decide on a plan.