Obama's auntie is a illegal immigrant living in America

[pimpdave]

It's going to be so great when Obama is president, and all of the sheep that follow the lying elephants (that lead with single issue carrots) will know what it's like to not have voted for the douche bag in office.

Of course, we also have the cost of ownership, fellow Obama supporters. If he goes rogue, we'll have to live with having cast that vote.


IT'S A RISK WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE, BECAUSE BARACK OBAMA JUST MIGHT NOT BE THE MUSLIM TERRORIST, PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST, COMMIE PINKO FAG WE ALL HOPE SO DEEPLY HE IS.

[Nobunaga]

... Obama's lead is at 5 points as of Saturday night (Rasmussen).

... I've heard it said that if he isn't close to 10 points ahead next Tuesday he can't take it, due to a combination of factors, including racist southern Democrats, poor turnout in Black communities, and poor turnout among the young.

... But it's going to come down to states more than points. Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. If Obama can take 2 of those, he's in.

...

[InkL0sed]

... Obama's lead is at 5 points as of Saturday night (Rasmussen).

... I've heard it said that if he isn't close to 10 points ahead next Tuesday he can't take it, due to a combination of factors, including racist southern Democrats, poor turnout in Black communities, and poor turnout among the young.

... But it's going to come down to states more than points. Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. If Obama can take 2 of those, he's in.

...

That's a conservative, but reasonable assessment. Of course, there's a counter to every point you made. Some have speculated about a reverse Bradley effect, others have said many whites don't think they can afford to not vote for Obama because he's black. And there won't necessarily be a poor turnout for young and black voters.

I agree about it coming down to the states, however he doesn't need the traditional path you just outlined. He can win all kinds of states that Kerry or Gore never had a shot in, now. North Carolina being a prime example.

[Iliad]

Wait browng was being serious?

[Dancing Mustard]

oh, and has anybody else noticed some similarities between obama and hitler???

OH NO HE DIDN'T!!!!! OH YEAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! IT'S THE MOTHERFUCKING JUGGERNAUT BITCH AND I'M GONNA f*ck HIM AND RAPE HIM AND EAT HIS COSTUME!!!!

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[PopeBenXVI]

Decided to brainstorm and list a bunch of taxes we pay. (I am sure I am missing some) This is not including the Obama tax we will get so government can waist more of our money while still not sticking to a budget.

Parking meters (they don't call it tax but it goes to governement)
Road tolls (they don't call it tax but it goes to governement)
Federal income tax
State income tax
Inheritance tax
Tax on interest earned
Property taxes
Sales tax
Public school tax
Social Security tax
Vehicle & License fee's
Gas tax
Medicare

About 45% of our income already goes to the governement and Obama has voted to increase taxes every time he had a chance. Biden agree's with him to raise taxes because it's our "patriotic duty".

Here is one link to see 2 short video's. One where Obama's buddy Barney Frank says "there are lots of rich people out there we can tax" WHAT A COMMI MARXIST STATEMENT!

The other one shows how Barney helped the mortgage crisis along by defending their bad practices while Mccain and Greenspan warned against what might happen. But it's all bushes fault right, because he alone has controled the goverenment for 8 years....What a propaganda joke.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/T ... nts_to.asp

Both parties spend money we don't have and then want to raise taxes to try and cover it but it never does because they just spend more. We all have a budget but the governement does not when they are able to raise our taxes whenever they want. We can not raise our income whenever we want unless we get another job. We can't just force our employer to pay us more because we are in debt. Obama will raise our taxes, to that their is no question. We will have less to spend and the governement will still be in debt.

[Nobunaga]

... Obama's lead is at 5 points as of Saturday night (Rasmussen).

... I've heard it said that if he isn't close to 10 points ahead next Tuesday he can't take it, due to a combination of factors, including racist southern Democrats, poor turnout in Black communities, and poor turnout among the young.

... But it's going to come down to states more than points. Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. If Obama can take 2 of those, he's in.

...

That's a conservative, but reasonable assessment. Of course, there's a counter to every point you made. Some have speculated about a reverse Bradley effect, others have said many whites don't think they can afford to not vote for Obama because he's black. And there won't necessarily be a poor turnout for young and black voters.

I agree about it coming down to the states, however he doesn't need the traditional path you just outlined. He can win all kinds of states that Kerry or Gore never had a shot in, now. North Carolina being a prime example.

... Sure, this election is anything but "normal". Obama has both the young and the Black communities fired up enough to head out to the polls, I think.

... As to the states issue, I read this morning that McCain is fighting for his life in Virginia, an until now shoe-in for the Republicans.

...

[austrianeagle]

I will tell you sirs, Obama will win Farifax, Norfolk and Virginia Beach. If he wins all of those and Richmond he can win Virginia

[JBlombier]

One where Obama's buddy Barney Frank says "there are lots of rich people out there we can tax" WHAT A COMMI MARXIST STATEMENT!

I strongly doubt they will tax the richer people like the communists did.
Seems more like a mild socialistic view, which in my country (The Netherlands) has worked for decades without complaints of the rich.

[Backglass]

This won't be a deciding factor in the American elections. Obama's pretty much won already.

QFT.

Angry Man & Redneck Girls ship is sinking fast.

Did anyone catch McCain on SNL? He was pretty funny...as he totally humiliated himself.

[austrianeagle]

Not I

[PopeBenXVI]

Yah, he has been on SNL before. The last time was way funnier when he opened the show and was on weekend update too. Pretty much every candidate goes on SNL to get laughed at. My favorite is still Rudy from some years back.

Oh and JBlombier, The U.S. economy has worked way better than any other country for a long time for creating wealth with a capitalist idiology. I am glad you are happy in your country, you can stay there. When you have incentive to work hard and grow your own personal wealth without being taxed to death thats what grows the economy in a country.

[PLAYER57832]

On the racism issue ... NPR ran a focus groups with diverse group of people in York, PA. It is worth listening to, regardless of your views.

For anyone who wants, here is the link:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=95934562
(not long -- and you can get it in print if you don't have audio)

[pimpdave]

Did anyone catch McCain on SNL? He was pretty funny...as he totally humiliated himself.

Actually, I only just got to watch it, on the DVR, and I must say, that was the McCain I used to admire and love. I truly wish we had seen more of that John McCain in the last 20 months. But something happened to him in the last 8 years. He's not the man I would have gladly followed 8 years ago.

[Frigidus]

Did anyone catch McCain on SNL? He was pretty funny...as he totally humiliated himself.

Actually, I only just got to watch it, on the DVR, and I must say, that was the McCain I used to admire and love. I truly wish we had seen more of that John McCain in the last 20 months. But something happened to him in the last 8 years. He's not the man I would have gladly followed 8 years ago.

That's what happens when you base your campaign around securing the redneck plumber vote.

[PLAYER57832]

Did anyone catch McCain on SNL? He was pretty funny...as he totally humiliated himself.

Actually, I only just got to watch it, on the DVR, and I must say, that was the McCain I used to admire and love. I truly wish we had seen more of that John McCain in the last 20 months. But something happened to him in the last 8 years. He's not the man I would have gladly followed 8 years ago.

That's what happens when you base your campaign around securing the redneck plumber vote.

Except the irony is, at least according to an NPR program today, unions are strongly out FOR Obama ...and apparently making very good headway even among those redneck voters.

And, speaking as someone living in Western PA .... it is hard to say. This area is most definitely not what you would call "diverse", but you see a lot of Obama signs and not so many McCain signs. Basically, I hear a lot of "the guy could be purple, but if he will help the economy ..."

Anyway, just thought I would throw that out.

[pimpdave]

And, speaking as someone living in Western PA .... it is hard to say. This area is most definitely not what you would call "diverse", but you see a lot of Obama signs and not so many McCain signs. Basically, I hear a lot of "the guy could be purple, but if he will help the economy ..."

Anyway, just thought I would throw that out.

That's incredibly encouraging. Thanks for throwing that out.

[PopeBenXVI]

Those rednecks who cling to their guns and religion, Opps, did that comment get back to them?

Hey, I was also thinking of Obama's redistribution socialist policies while watching football today. Even though Tennessee has worked very hard, is more talented and still undefeted, they should really give a few of those wins to Detroit. It's good for everyone when you "spread it around"

It's not meant to punish Joe theTitan plumbers....... it's just fair.

[Nikolai]

Except the irony is, at least according to an NPR program today, unions are strongly out FOR Obama ...

Wal, no shit, Sherlock! Unions are always out for whoever'll give 'em more power, and Obama's proposed legislation would let plants go union without each employee even getting a chance to vote... all they'd need is a list of signatures, and it wouldn't be much of a majority. I've been a union member, and even I think it might be a little much.

[Dancing Mustard]

Hey, I was also thinking of Obama's redistribution socialist policies while watching football today. Even though Tennessee has worked very hard, is more talented and still undefeted, they should really give a few of those wins to Detroit. It's good for everyone when you "spread it around"

My Economics tutors always warned me about taking seriously the views of those who confuse the workings of the national economy with football games. They had a special word for the kind of person who thinks that the two are similar but it escapes me now...


Oh hang on, I remember, they called those people 'morons'.

[PopeBenXVI]

Did your economices tutors also teach you how raiseing taxes on businesses does not create jobs?

Or did they teach you that you can't give a tax cut to 95% of America when about 40% currently don't pay any income taxes? I suppose that would have been your math tutor.

[PLAYER57832]

Did your economices tutors also teach you how raiseing taxes on businesses does not create jobs?

Or did they teach you that you can't give a tax cut to 95% of America when about 40% currently don't pay any income taxes? I suppose that would have been your math tutor.

Yes, particularly when a the highest income earners pay some of those very low taxes.

No, raising taxes on business doesn't create jobs, but not paying people enough to live is not a very good way to keep a business going, either. You don't have a lot of customers when people are not paid more than the bare minimum..

If you don't pay people enough to get a decent house, clothing, food and medical care then oyou either say they don't deserve those things or you are asking the taxpayers to support your employees ... effectively to support your business.

I am all for profit, but only legitimate profit. Profits that would not exist if it were not for my tax support ... just is not profit.

Since Bush came into office, the rich have gotten FAR riches, tax breaks have gone to the wealthy in plenty ... and the rest of us have been given the boot. This isn't about "taking" money from business ... its about not GIVING them quite so much.

[Dancing Mustard]

Did your economices tutors also teach you how raiseing taxes on businesses does not create jobs?

Gosh, look at this, there's all these words in my mouth, but none of them appear to be of my making... it's almost like somebody else put them there... but how did this happen? It's all very strange...

Anyway, to humour your clearly uninformed and vitriolic rantings, my economics tutors were able to point out to me (at a very early age) that increasing tax on super-profitable firms would cause no loss in jobs but would be able to provide better public services for those less well off than the super-profitable employed; indeed, as I recall one of the public services that could be improved with that money was basic education... and tell me your holiness, what does improving that lead to?

Still not figured it out yet Benny? Well then let me tell you: It leads to greater employability and increased ability to engage in entreprenurial behaviour, and therefore: more jobs.

did they teach you that you can't give a tax cut to 95% of America when about 40% currently don't pay any income taxes?

What they taught me was that you can give a tax-cut to 95% of the tax-paying population, that it's quite possible to make a tax-cut which notionally affects 95% of the population, and that it's possible to make tax-cuts for which 95% of the population would be eligible if they had reason to rely upon them. In other words, to answer your question with a one word answer: Yes. You most certainly can do such a thing, but there will always be a few dumbfucks that don't get it and who will then confuse their mathematic ignorance as a stroke of personal genius. Those people are you Benny.

Seriously Ben, I think it's time for you to quit trying to pick holes in the arguments of high-level economics and mathematics tutors, and to go demand a refund from your kindergarten English teacher. You need to put some work into the foundations of your knowledge base before continuing confuse yourself further while attempting to resume your 'contemplation' of macroeconomic policies.

In other words, go learn to read. I feel like I'm talking to a chimp whose economic education consisted of listening to drunk economists making five minutes nerdy bar-room gags about their day at work.

[Backglass]

FYI:

Zeituni Onyango is the half-sister of Obama's Kenyan father and he hasn't seen or spoken to her in over two years. Because of this, you should obviously vote for McCain!

How many of YOUR distant relatives are you responsible for?

Should we blame McCain for his idiot brothers 911 phone calls now?

[Nikolai]

FYIHow many of YOUR distant relatives are you responsible for?

Just one. But I also don't say things like "I am my brother's keeper." Not one of his smoothest moments.

And DM, take it easy on the popeben. Yes, he's parroting, and doing it poorly, but he's parroting fair economic questions.

Y'all seem to have gone so fanatic that you can't admit when The Man fudges. And the point of the thread is that he did. I'm still undecided, but it's fair to say that Obama has screwed up pretty big a couple of times in his campaign.