NEWCOMERS BEWARE: Freestyle Team Games

[Artimis]

Alrighty! So moral of the story is, don't join a team game with BOTH Unlimited Reinforcements AND Freestyle Play Order game settings unless you're very, very, very, very sure that you can take what's coming to you. Choose either Chained/Adjacent Reinforcements or Sequencial Play Order if you want to avoid getting your arse handed to you while trying to find new teammates to play along with.

[Jeff Hardy]

Alrighty! So moral of the story is, don't join a team game with BOTH Unlimited Reinforcements AND Freestyle Play Order game settings unless you're very, very, very, very sure that you can take what's coming to you. Choose either Chained/Adjacent Reinforcements or Sequencial Play Order if you want to avoid getting your arse handed to you while trying to find new teammates to play along with.

even if is chained or adjacent a real team could beat you

[Bruceswar]

Translation of all what was said.... I got beat by a well organized team and I do not like it, so I come here to cry about it.

Seriously It is a TEAM GAME They used good teamwork to beat you. Get over it. That is what freestyle is all about.


@ the OP, most all of CC knows this already PM sometime for a team game where you join with me.

[cardz]

Translation of all what was said.... I got beat by a well organized team and I do not like it, so I come here to cry about it.

Seriously It is a TEAM GAME They used good teamwork to beat you. Get over it. That is what freestyle is all about.


@ the OP, most all of CC knows this already PM sometime for a team game where you join with me.

Bruceswar - stop being such a troll. I dont care about being beaten. If thats all you got to offer in this thread then keep you useless trolling comments to yourself. You dont have to agree with what I said but you can act mature and ask/discuss like other people. Instead you just showed what a ignorant person you are.
Thanks very much for derailing the thread.
Yes it is a team game - I just feel that there is a loop hole (exploit) in the game mechanics that allow people that play simultaneously to have an advantage over people that dont in a TEAM GAME. If you dont understand what we are talking about then do everyone a favor and dont post here.

[PLAYER57832]

Yet another reason why I don't play freestyle... and rarely play team games in Sequential.

[Tweakers12]

Translation of all what was said.... I got beat by a well organized team and I do not like it, so I come here to cry about it.

Seriously It is a TEAM GAME They used good teamwork to beat you. Get over it. That is what freestyle is all about.


@ the OP, most all of CC knows this already PM sometime for a team game where you join with me.

Bruceswar - stop being such a troll. I dont care about being beaten. If thats all you got to offer in this thread then keep you useless trolling comments to yourself. You dont have to agree with what I said but you can act mature and ask/discuss like other people. Instead you just showed what a ignorant person you are.
Thanks very much for derailing the thread.
Yes it is a team game - I just feel that there is a loop hole (exploit) in the game mechanics that allow people that play simultaneously to have an advantage over people that dont in a TEAM GAME. If you dont understand what we are talking about then do everyone a favor and dont post here.

Alright honestly, I agree with Bruce you're pissed because they played like a team. Get real.

[owenshooter]

yeah, when you join a team game, and get your collective ass kicked by a group of people playing as a TEAM, what can you complain about? to top it off, you set up the game and they joined... you got destroyed by a better team. deal with it...-6cd

[Lhuth]

yeah, when you join a team game, and get your collective ass kicked by a group of people playing as a TEAM, what can you complain about? to top it off, you set up the game and they joined... you got destroyed by a better team. deal with it...-0

He's not ocmplaining about the fact he was beaten by a better team..

It's more the fact that for new people who join this site, freestyle is something where you come on anytime you can and play and do so. People don't realise it's something which is co-ordinated or where people sit there refreshing every couple of seconds for minutes on end.

Yeah he got beat, he's not complaining that fact, just trying to tell people who don't realise, what the score is.

[Bruceswar]

Bruceswar - stop being such a troll. I dont care about being beaten. If thats all you got to offer in this thread then keep you useless trolling comments to yourself. You dont have to agree with what I said but you can act mature and ask/discuss like other people. Instead you just showed what a ignorant person you are.
Thanks very much for derailing the thread.
Yes it is a team game - I just feel that there is a loop hole (exploit) in the game mechanics that allow people that play simultaneously to have an advantage over people that dont in a TEAM GAME. If you dont understand what we are talking about then do everyone a favor and dont post here.

I totally understand what YOU are talking about here. The OP is warning people. That is nice. Some people may not know that freestyle means you can play all at once. You are the other hand are complaining about freestyle when it comes to team games. There is no exploit with team games, and or freestyle. Even if you played the same 8 people in a SEQ game the results would be about the same, just a longer game. For that matter you could make it a speed game, where everybody is around all at once, and team 2 would have a much better position. Simple reason is they work well as a team together. I am not saying any of you are bad players, but as a team you have not played together whereas team 2 has. Stacked odds right there. If you have a problem with freestyle, team or standard games, then it is simple. Do not play them. There is no exploit at all, just good team play. Surely you cannot tell me after making it all the way to Sgt 1st class, you did not know what freestyle meant.


@ the OP my offer to play a team game with you stands. PM me...

[owenshooter]

It's more the fact that for new people who join this site, freestyle is something where you come on anytime you can and play and do so. People don't realise it's something which is co-ordinated or where people sit there refreshing every couple of seconds for minutes on end.

Yeah he got beat, he's not complaining that fact, just trying to tell people who don't realise, what the score is.

i disagree more than i can express... HIS TEAM STARTED THE GAME!!! they did not walk into a game that they were unaware of the rules or how to play it!! they set it up!!! they were hoping for newbs and easy points. guess what? they turned into the newbs giving up easy points to a better team!! the OP is whining... period...-6cd

[Artimis]

i disagree more than i can express... HIS TEAM STARTED THE GAME!!! they did not walk into a game that they were unaware of the rules or how to play it!! they set it up!!! they were hoping for newbs and easy points. guess what? they turned into the newbs giving up easy points to a better team!! the OP is whining... period...-6cd

Let's try to explain this in as simply and uncomplicated a manner as possible, just for you.....

I joined a team game for the first time, out of curiosity, not really knowing what to expect. I didn't know the host or the other two teammates, he didn't know me and may well have not known the other two before that game started. Then along comes four very well organised players and they go to work, very quickly gaining the upper hand using the game settings to maximum advantage(nothing wrong with that, they're supposed to do that!) Before we know it they've got control of the board and they press their advantage, wiping us out(nothing wrong with that either, they're supposed to do that also!)

So, the original post is there to highlight:

1)What happened.

2)How it happened.

3)How to avoid it.


I know the original post contains more than one paragraph of text, you might find it hard to digest all in one go. If you still feel the need to ignore everything I've said here and drone about how much you think I'm whining and about getting beaten in a game. Then start a thread HERE and flame away to your hearts content instead of spamming this thread up with your mental vomit.

[owenshooter]

blah, blah,blah... let me repeat myself and use fancycolours...

you got handled, period... you have played enough games and been around long enough
to know what freestyle and what team games are... not to mention, you have a stunning win percentage of 14%, so you can obviously handle yourself... you did not get ambushed, you gleefully walked into what you thought was going to be an easy point grab. you should go to the pity party sub-forum for people that get whipped in freestyle...-6cd

[PepperJack]

There's a sub-forum for freestyle whipees? And to think I've been crying myself to sleep for the last 3 nights. Woe is me, woe is me.

[Artimis]

To Owenshooter

You are cordially invited to go round and round and round in circles around that little one-track mind of yours in HERE, away from this thread.

From Artimis

[owenshooter]

To Owenshooter

You are cordially invited to go round and round and round in circles around that little one-track mind of yours in HERE, away from this thread.

From Artimis

hold your breath... i'll be right there...-6cd

p.s.-when you started your flame with a name i called you in
a pm, you weren't trying very hard, were you? *snicker*

[Artimis]

*bump*

I'll be posting in Strategy sometime. That's probably the best place for this subject, although I had hoped to capture a wider audience here it would be more appropriate to take it to the Strategy sub-forum.

[Artimis]

PLEASE NOTE: This post is for newcomers. To inform them about potential dangers that they might encounter during a game. Experienced players will likely not find anything of interest in this post, but constructive contributions to this thread are greatly appreciated.

The title may seem dramatic, but I have good cause. I did consider 'WARNING: Danger Of Death', but that seemed over the top. Basically I want to warn you about starting Freestyle Play Order team game. You should seriously reconsider creating team games with the Freestyle Play Order setting, because there are groups of highly organised and ruthless individuals that are looking for such games and will join them enmasse, taking their turn as one.

There's pretty much nothing you can do to counter that tactic, it's celebrated in a somewhat tasteless fashion in the General Discussion Forum topic entitled Farming secret revealed. But don't despair just yet! While it's not a good idea to host or join Freestyle Play Order games, moves are a foot by members of this community to address this issue as detailed in this post in the Sugs & Bugs Forum topic entitled Partial Freestyle. In my humble opinion I think this suggestion is a good idea, if you agree then I encourage you to add your voice to the Yes Vote.

If this depressing warning is not enough reason for you not host/join Freestyle Play Order team games then click the -SHOW: DETAILED EXPLANATION- link below, it will show the more detailed original post that you can read at your leisure.

Detailed Explanation

I'd like to direct your attention to one of my own got-my-arse-kicked games in Game 3629378. You'll notice as you scroll down from the very beginning of the game log that Team 2 activated simultaneously. Three of them going into the reinforcement phase of their turn after a couple of attacks and then continuously reinforced from their territories to their team-mate who was still in the assault phase of his/her turn. This allowed the attacking player to rampage through the map like a mad bull in a china shop. The results as you can see were devastating.

That they went first was also an advantage, they benefited from the troops granted by their starting drop. Further compounding this advantage was the Unlimited Reinforcements setting, allowing the team-mates in reinforcement phase to topup the other members of their team more than once. Although the Freestyle Play Order setting played a significant part in the game winning strategy of Team 2, it was superior teamwork that ultimately won the game. Because they were all online together and well organised and coordinated, they were able to maximise the advantage granted by Freestyle Play Order. Unless you can be equally well organised, co-ordinated and ruthless, you won't stand much of a chance, especially if your team-mates are uncooperative(or worse, deadbeat).

A few questions you might ask:

Q: Is it cheating?
A: NOPE! It's legitimate and within the rules. Vicious? Yes! Cheating? No, though it may seem so.

Q: Is it urine extraction on an epic scale?
A: HELL YES! But then again urine extraction is not expressly forbidden, but after getting kicked around the map like this you may wish it was!

Q: Holy Cow! I don't want to get points farmed, should I give up on team games altogether?
A: HELL NO! I've not put this post together because I want to scare you off playing team games forever! I simply want you to go into this with your eyes open. Until a solution is found, you'd better stick to Sequential Play Order team games, that way you won't get points farmed and potentially lose interest in playing at CC afterwards.

While it does grant the starting team a huge advantage it does not automatically result in their victory, even the best laid plans will go awry from time to time. Getting a team together that can take their turn as one is a tricky business anyway, especially considering the potential differences in timezone and availability of free time. If you don't want to get your arse kicked into the middle of next week, then don't join Freestyle Play Order team games. At least not until you're sure you can handle what might come your way.

Play safe and choose wisely.

Artimis

[Jeff Hardy]

thats quite a lot to read...
couldnt you shorten it a bit?

btw, you might want to add that it works beter on smaller maps because then a good team can take 1 or 2 of you out in the first round making it almost impossible for you to win

[owenshooter]

nice duplicate post. can this be merged with the original post which contains the exact same language? link:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69700

it ran 3 pages, and a mod didn't think it needed to be moved.. you chose to do so after it ran out of steam and nobody agreed with you...

*bump*

I'll be posting in Strategy sometime. That's probably the best place for this subject, although I had hoped to capture a wider audience here it would be more appropriate to take it to the Strategy sub-forum.

just stay away from freestyle if you have such a problem with it...-6cd

p.s.-how did that flame thread you started about me end up? that died too, huh?

[RashidJelzin]

Funnily worded. 'Nuff said.

Also, lmao at Jeff Hardy. Too long?

[Jeff Hardy]

Funnily worded. 'Nuff said.

Also, lmao at Jeff Hardy. Too long?

well, i could have read quite a lot of other stuff in the same amount of time
also, he could tell people what he wants to tell them in a lot less words, so yes, too long

[Artimis]

thats quite a lot to read...
couldnt you shorten it a bit?

The thought did cross my mind, but I don't want to miss anything. It could use some editing to make it more compact and to the point. I'm still playing Freestyle team games so I'll be able to refine it some more later.

nice duplicate post. can this be merged with the original post which contains the exact same language? link:

viewtopic.php?t=69700

it ran 3 pages, and a mod didn't think it needed to be moved.. you chose to do so after it ran out of steam and nobody agreed with you...


just stay away from freestyle if you have such a problem with it...-6cd

p.s.-how did that flame thread you started about me end up? that died too, huh?

Where do I start?.... First off, the flame thread was just for your benefit, not that any of your replies to that thread were in public. Secondly, I don't have a problem with Freestyle in itself, it's just bloody perilous in a team game and I think other new players ought to be told about it. Thirdly, I've posted here in the strategy section in the hope that it would stay on topic instead of decending into another slanging match *hint, hint* like the last thread did.

You know where the flame room is, if you can't manage that then take this pointy hat with a large "D" printed on it, place on your head and go sit in the corner quietly, there's a good lad......

[owenshooter]

can we please merge these identical threads with the identical opening posts:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... =6&t=69700

and please give this gentleman a warning about flaming members outside of flame wars. had i levelled insults at him, as he has at me, we all know i would be on a forum vacation. enough is enough...-6cd

p.s.-as stated before. it is not cheating. it is not unfair. you got beaten by a better team while trying to farm points in a setting you did not know how to play. get over it.

p.p.s.-i just find it so amusing that you started a team game, waited for a team to join, got THROTTLED, and then complained about how unfair the settings are, that you chose to play!!!

[King_Herpes]

You seem to be quite an intelligent person and have a secure grip on how to obtain points with a variety of playing styles artemis. Why in the hell are you a cook? You write well and you understand how to emphasize the underlying point behind high rank strategies and the games they choose for what reasons. It truly baffles me that you aren't climbing the scoreboard. Apply this same general logic to your own playing ability and you will gain points. This one is a head scratcher for me.

[Artimis]

Why in the hell are you a cook?

Partly bad decision making in the games I play, a tiny smidgen of bad luck here and there. Also I've gravitated from Terminator games(where I accumulated most of my points) to Standard games where the winner takes all. If I wanted to climb the scoreboard then I'd go back to Terminator games, but that's not a priority for me at the moment. I just want to play lots of Standard games and a few team games as well for the time being.