Jesus was a "Liberal"

[porkenbeans]

This thread is for all of you "Christian Conservatives" out there, to please explain to the rest of us, just why it is, that you wrap yourselves with the blanket of Christ, But, You do not follow your own Lord ? I want to hear what it was about Jesus, that led you to believe he was anything less than a Liberal. When I read the red words of the holy book, I see a man, that was the polar opposite of everything "Cons." stand for. This is the biggest con job, in modern history. If the Liberals crowned Jesus as its Founding member, They would have far more creditability, than you hypocrites. Please for the rest of us, quote some red words that support your ideology. And remember, HITLER was a consertive, and, that JESUS guy, ...was a LIBERAL.

[Natewolfman]

this should be in Babble

[lancehoch]

Yes it should. Moved from GD to Off-Topics.

[porkenbeans]

this should be in Babble

What is that ?

[porkenbeans]

this should be in Babble

What is that ?

Oh, I see it now. Thanx guys.

[bbqpenguin]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

[porkenbeans]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

Thread is to CHRISTAN CONSERVATIVES. and its Liberal not Libertarian.

[bbqpenguin]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

Thread is to CHRISTAN CONSERVATIVES. and its Liberal not Libertarian.

I am both of those things. Also, i meant Libertarian, not Liberal

[porkenbeans]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

Thread is to CHRISTAN CONSERVATIVES. and its Liberal not Libertarian.

I am both of those things.

What things ?

[bbqpenguin]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

Thread is to CHRISTAN CONSERVATIVES. and its Liberal not Libertarian.

I am both of those things.

What things ?

Christian and conservative.

[Frigidus]

[black elk speaks]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

yup. Something about "teach a man to fish..." leads me to that conclusion too. Republicans (conservatives, if you will) were originally the libertarian party. They believed in living free, working honestly and keeping what you earn to do with as your own conscience leads you. I have to say that the vast majority of Conservatives that I know are the biggest givers to charitable organizations that I know. Biden and Obama, on the basis of ratio of monies earned and donated over the last decade have given far less than McCain and Palin did.

Sure, there are some greedy conservatives, but true also that there are also generous ones as well. Lets not forget the greedy liberals that exist as well.

EDIT:

Besides, I am sure that he was all about pre-marital sex, homo marriage, abortion, and high taxes.

No, I think you are wrong about his political affiliation.

[porkenbeans]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

yup. Something about "teach a man to fish..." leads me to that conclusion too. Republicans (conservatives, if you will) were originally the libertarian party. They believed in living free, working honestly and keeping what you earn to do with as your own conscience leads you. I have to say that the vast majority of Conservatives that I know are the biggest givers to charitable organizations that I know. Biden and Obama, on the basis of ratio of monies earned and donated over the last decade have given far less than McCain and Palin did.

Sure, there are some greedy conservatives, but true also that there are also generous ones as well. Lets not forget the greedy liberals that exist as well.

Red words, I want RED words.

[porkenbeans]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

yup. Something about "teach a man to fish..." leads me to that conclusion too. Republicans (conservatives, if you will) were originally the libertarian party. They believed in living free, working honestly and keeping what you earn to do with as your own conscience leads you. I have to say that the vast majority of Conservatives that I know are the biggest givers to charitable organizations that I know. Biden and Obama, on the basis of ratio of monies earned and donated over the last decade have given far less than McCain and Palin did.

Sure, there are some greedy conservatives, but true also that there are also generous ones as well. Lets not forget the greedy liberals that exist as well.

EDIT:

Besides, I am sure that he was all about pre-marital sex, homo marriage, abortion, and high taxes.

No, I think you are wrong about his political affiliation.

Do you even own a bible ? If so, I challenge you to just open to any page, then search until you have found some RED words. Then bring them back here to share with the rest of us.

[porkenbeans]

you can be conservative without being christian, or even religious at all.
regardless, I would argue Jesus was a Libertarian.

Thread is to CHRISTAN CONSERVATIVES. and its Liberal not Libertarian.

I am both of those things.

What things ?

Christian and conservative.

If you are a Christan, You are sure to have a bible. Please bring me some RED words. There are many to choose from my friend. Find just ONE example that Jesus was a Cons.

[mpjh]

Jesus is a boxer and you can see his stats at:

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

[jesterhawk]

This thread is for all of you "Christian Conservatives" out there, to please explain to the rest of us, just why it is, that you wrap yourselves with the blanket of Christ, But, You do not follow your own Lord ? I want to hear what it was about Jesus, that led you to believe he was anything less than a Liberal. When I read the red words of the holy book, I see a man, that was the polar opposite of everything "Cons." stand for. This is the biggest con job, in modern history. If the Liberals crowned Jesus as its Founding member, They would have far more creditability, than you hypocrites. Please for the rest of us, quote some red words that support your ideology. And remember, HITLER was a consertive, and, that JESUS guy, ...was a LIBERAL.

Actually the onus is on you to put quotes in from the Bible about how Jesus was a liberal. After all, it is your contention that we "Christian Conservatives" already believe that Jesus was a conservative and all you have done was make a statement with NO PROOF at all. So until you place some kind of proof from our text, the Bible, we have nothing to prove to anyone. It is only after you have placed your proof would the onus revert to us to refute it or then to agree with your point of view.

JH

[black elk speaks]

Mark 8

14 Now the disciples had forgotten to take bread, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf.

15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

I like this one, It makes me think that you aught not be so quick to jump on the handouts of the government.

[mpjh]

Jesus is a long distance runner. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs_Herrera

[porkenbeans]

This thread is for all of you "Christian Conservatives" out there, to please explain to the rest of us, just why it is, that you wrap yourselves with the blanket of Christ, But, You do not follow your own Lord ? I want to hear what it was about Jesus, that led you to believe he was anything less than a Liberal. When I read the red words of the holy book, I see a man, that was the polar opposite of everything "Cons." stand for. This is the biggest con job, in modern history. If the Liberals crowned Jesus as its Founding member, They would have far more creditability, than you hypocrites. Please for the rest of us, quote some red words that support your ideology. And remember, HITLER was a consertive, and, that JESUS guy, ...was a LIBERAL.

Actually the onus is on you to put quotes in from the Bible about how Jesus was a liberal. After all, it is your contention that we "Christian Conservatives" already believe that Jesus was a conservative and all you have done was make a statement with NO PROOF at all. So until you place some kind of proof from our text, the Bible, we have nothing to prove to anyone. It is only after you have placed your proof would the onus revert to us to refute it or then to agree with your point of view.

JH

I have expected this dance. And I will say this to you as clearly and loudly as I can, It is my contention, that EVERY single RED word in the bible is clearly "Liberal". If you want me to quote some of them, I will. As a matter of fact, he has some choice words for you hypocritical, self-righteous, chest pounding, USA chanting, whack-jobs. But, my friend, this thread is not intended as sermon from me. Just a call out for some kind of evidence that goes to discredit my contention. I dont want to here why your ideology is superior. I just want you to show me in Jesus' own words, If you cant accomplish this, I understand why.
I have read of a man that preached love for his fellow man. A man that carried no pride, and called it a sin. A man that freed himself of all possessions by giving away everything, including his life. A man that never went to war, and taught us to turn the other cheek, and love our enemies. There has never been, on this planet, a more bleeding heart Liberal. I can think of only one time in his recorded life that he even lost his temper. And this is directed straight at you Con. Christians, It was the time that he happened upon a church of God. The hypocrisy that he found there, led him to loose his temper, and turn over all their bingo tables. I said that I was not going to give a sermon, so I will stop here.
...bring it.

[jesterhawk]

I have read of a man that preached love for his fellow man. A man that carried no pride, and called it a sin. A man that freed himself of all possessions by giving away everything, including his life. A man that never went to war, and taught us to turn the other cheek, and love our enemies. There has never been, on this planet, a more bleeding heart Liberal. I can think of only one time in his recorded life that he even lost his temper. And this is directed straight at you Con. Christians, It was the time that he happened upon a church of God. The hypocrisy that he found there, led him to loose his temper, and turn over all their bingo tables. I said that I was not going to give a sermon, so I will stop here.
...bring it.

You see so far I agree with you.

I don't consider myself liberal or conservative. I vote based on which candidate most lines up with the Bible. Often it is a conservative candidate, but not always. The problem is that you probably need to define the terms here because even Wikipedia paints a very broad scope for both liberalism and conservatism in which we could be either. One thing I could say is that most liberal candidates stand for things like abortion and homosexuals being able to marry (not all of course) and Christians usually stand against that putting them on the other side of the fence even if they don't agree with the conservative stance either. In this last election, I didn't like everything that McCain stood for, but given the choice, he was the candidate that was closer to the Bible then Obama was. Does that make me a Republican or a Conservative? No because I have voted against that in the past. So, I don't think you can pigeon hole it this easy.

That said, Jesus was for freedom which is more a liberal stance and yet he would not be for abortion which would be a conservative stance and yet he would just love on homosexuals which one could argue would be a liberal stance and I think that would be right and you could go on. I really don't think Jesus was solely one or the other unless you define the terms a bit more.

JH

[porkenbeans]

Mark 8

14 Now the disciples had forgotten to take bread, neither had they in the ship with them more than one loaf.

15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

I like this one, It makes me think that you aught not be so quick to jump on the handouts of the government.

You are on the right track, but, your understanding of this lesson falls way short. What he was trying to communicate to his followers was not, that, accepting charity is a bad thing, but, rather dont buy in to the spoils of a corrupt and godless ruler. If you eat the bread, you are bowing before the wrong god. We know of this term today as the "dirty money" expression.
...try again.

[mpjh]

Jesus is an opera tenor. See http://www.lumiere.net.nz/reader/item/1699

[porkenbeans]

I have read of a man that preached love for his fellow man. A man that carried no pride, and called it a sin. A man that freed himself of all possessions by giving away everything, including his life. A man that never went to war, and taught us to turn the other cheek, and love our enemies. There has never been, on this planet, a more bleeding heart Liberal. I can think of only one time in his recorded life that he even lost his temper. And this is directed straight at you Con. Christians, It was the time that he happened upon a church of God. The hypocrisy that he found there, led him to loose his temper, and turn over all their bingo tables. I said that I was not going to give a sermon, so I will stop here.
...bring it.

You see so far I agree with you.

I don't consider myself liberal or conservative. I vote based on which candidate most lines up with the Bible. Often it is a conservative candidate, but not always. The problem is that you probably need to define the terms here because even Wikipedia paints a very broad scope for both liberalism and conservatism in which we could be either. One thing I could say is that most liberal candidates stand for things like abortion and homosexuals being able to marry (not all of course) and Christians usually stand against that putting them on the other side of the fence even if they don't agree with the conservative stance either. In this last election, I didn't like everything that McCain stood for, but given the choice, he was the candidate that was closer to the Bible then Obama was. Does that make me a Republican or a Conservative? No because I have voted against that in the past. So, I don't think you can pigeon hole it this easy.

That said, Jesus was for freedom which is more a liberal stance and yet he would not be for abortion which would be a conservative stance and yet he would just love on homosexuals which one could argue would be a liberal stance and I think that would be right and you could go on. I really don't think Jesus was solely one or the other unless you define the terms a bit more.

JH

The Con. Christians in the rep. party did not like Mcain at all. And for many reasons, including his stance on abortion. The maverick that I liked, died that day that he picked up their banner. But that is par for the course in politics, I guess.
On the issue of abortion. I see it the way that you do. Well kinda. I believe that our shared view is not a Conservative, but a Liberal one. My concern is for the babies liberty. His rights. To take those rights away from that person is against everything that liberty stands for. The Woman's Rights movement that was fighting for their right to vote, was welcomed by the left. Their cause was a liberal one. But as they grew in power, Their platform changed to included women's right to an abortion. The word itself is anti-liberal, that is if you look at it from the baby's point of view. The left in my view needs to resolve this contradiction if they want to carry the liberal banner of JESUS.

[mpjh]

Jesus was president of Costa Rica. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jes%C3%BAs ... nez_Zamora