Jesus was a "Liberal"

[Nobunaga]

Would someone care to explain what the "big" difference is between liberal and conservitive? If there's really any difference.

... Big government vs little. Everything else is so much distraction.

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[Backglass]

Hey!

Let's argue over the political leanings of primitive people from the bronze age!

Oh wait....already happening I see. Nevermind.

[soka]

well lets say this

i dont think jesus said let there be big government or smaller government ...higher taxes or lower taxes
did jesus say let the government support you ??
or did he say do on to others as you would like them to do onto you

i would like people to help me not be forced to help me
and could the government give a piece of fish or a loaf of bread faster then i can?
if a guy hungry came to me and said feed me, can i give it faster then the government?

15: When it was evening, the disciples came to him and said, "This is a lonely place, and the day is now over; send the crowds away to go into the villages and buy food for themselves."
16: Jesus said, "They need not go away; you give them something to eat."
17: They said to him, "We have only five loaves here and two fish."
18: And he said, "Bring them here to me."
19: Then he ordered the crowds to sit down on the grass; and taking the five loaves and the two fish he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and broke and gave the loaves to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the crowds.
20: And they all ate and were satisfied. And they took up twelve baskets full of the broken pieces left over.
21: And those who ate were about five thousand men, besides women and children.

he didnt say buy it for them or go to the government he said GIVE it to them out of what we have ...not only that jesus raised the food to heaven to give thanks for what god gave us then jesus GAVE it to his disciples and they GAVE to the people ...yet see Jesus said, "They need not go away; you give them something to eat." see again YOU GIVE THEM ...if you feel the government can do it better then you can send them extra money if i feel i can do better helping people the way jesus did let me go help in the way
i think is best ...

and since we all want to talk about jesus ... what if mary went against GOD will and aborted jesus we would not be looking up RED WORDS right now ...

[nagerous]

Would someone care to explain what the "big" difference is between liberal and conservitive? If there's really any difference.

... Big government vs little. Everything else is so much distraction.

...

Not really... see there are different forms of liberalism, classical liberalism, which advocates a minimal government and limited intervention in matters -

Then modern liberalism, which advocates strong welfarism and a proper welfare state, nationalised health service, railways - payouts given out to the poor etc. - essentially a form of social democracy.

There are different forms of conservatism too, from 'classical conservatism' to 'compassionate conservatism' so saying just big government vs little is rather skimming the notion.

[black elk speaks]

Would someone care to explain what the "big" difference is between liberal and conservitive? If there's really any difference.

... Big government vs little. Everything else is so much distraction.

...

Not really... see there are different forms of liberalism, classical liberalism, which advocates a minimal government and limited intervention in matters -

Then modern liberalism, which advocates strong welfarism and a proper welfare state, nationalised health service, railways - payouts given out to the poor etc. - essentially a form of social democracy.

There are different forms of conservatism too, from 'classical conservatism' to 'compassionate conservatism' so saying just big government vs little is rather skimming the notion.

Naaaa... these are semantics that you bring up. Classic Liberalism is really Libertarianism. Modern Liberalism is really Socialism / Commujism. ( <-- its a typo, but I liked it.) I am not sure about the conservative types you mention, but that really sounds like hard right vs centralist conservatism to me.

[KhantheUnholyFig]

Fun facts:
1. Jesus was born, lived, and died a Jew. While he worked towards reforming Judaism, particalarly in sumptuary practices, he never wished to denounce his faith.
2. Absolutely NOTHING was recorded during the time Jesus was alive. It was all recorded many years after his death. Therefore, absolutely NO ONE can quote anything that Jesus ever said. And, of course, what we do have, were published by other people. None of the tenants that are considered 'Christian' actually came directly from Christ himself.
3. The person we actually think of as Jesus is actually a mixture of various other pagan figures. Mithras, a Roman god popularly worshipped by Roman soldiers, was born on December 25th... Christianity as a whole is simply paganism with various evolutions. Angels as we know them come from winged Nikes of Greek mythology. Father, son, and holy spirit and a whole host of various saints? Direct paganism.
4. Politics, religion, and personal worldviews of the Eastern Roman Empire during Jesus' life are more or less completely unfathomable to us now.
5. A popular saying among the soldiers of Julius Caesar runs like this: He is a man for every woman, and a woman for every man. Homosexuality was common and accepted as commonplace among Roman citizens.

The point is, of course, that debating the opinions of Jesus is ridiculous, and harder to do with any degree of success than debating the opinions of any other fictional (or fictionalized) figure. One should live their life based upon common sense morals such as respect for other human beings, not upon 2000 year old legends. And certainly, one should base their political ideas on observational and empirical evidence and on personal economic and social philosophy.

[MrBenn]

Liberalism... Liberation... Liberty... Freedom...

It is absolutely clear that God has called you to a free life. Just make sure that you don't use this freedom as an excuse to do whatever you want to do and destroy your freedom. Rather, use your freedom to serve one another in love; that's how freedom grows. For everything we know about God's Word is summed up in a single sentence: Love others as you love yourself. That's an act of true freedom. If you bite and ravage each other, watch out—in no time at all you will be annihilating each other, and where will your precious freedom be then?

It is obvious what kind of life develops out of trying to get your own way all the time: repetitive, loveless, cheap sex; a stinking accumulation of mental and emotional garbage; frenzied and joyless grabs for happiness; trinket gods; magic-show religion; paranoid loneliness; cutthroat competition; all-consuming-yet-never-satisfied wants; a brutal temper; an impotence to love or be loved; divided homes and divided lives; small-minded and lopsided pursuits; the vicious habit of depersonalizing everyone into a rival; uncontrolled and uncontrollable addictions; ugly parodies of community. I could go on.

But what happens when we live God's way? He brings gifts into our lives, much the same way that fruit appears in an orchard—things like affection for others, exuberance about life, serenity. We develop a willingness to stick with things, a sense of compassion in the heart, and a conviction that a basic holiness permeates things and people. We find ourselves involved in loyal commitments, not needing to force our way in life, able to marshal and direct our energies wisely.

Legalism is helpless in bringing this about; it only gets in the way. Among those who belong to Christ, everything connected with getting our own way and mindlessly responding to what everyone else calls necessities is killed off for good—crucified.

Since this is the kind of life we have chosen, the life of the Spirit, let us make sure that we do not just hold it as an idea in our heads or a sentiment in our hearts, but work out its implications in every detail of our lives. That means we will not compare ourselves with each other as if one of us were better and another worse. We have far more interesting things to do with our lives. Each of us is an original.

[black elk speaks]

Fun facts:
1. Jesus was born, lived, and died a Jew. While he worked towards reforming Judaism, particalarly in sumptuary practices, he never wished to denounce his faith.
2. Absolutely NOTHING was recorded during the time Jesus was alive. It was all recorded many years after his death. Therefore, absolutely NO ONE can quote anything that Jesus ever said. And, of course, what we do have, were published by other people. None of the tenants that are considered 'Christian' actually came directly from Christ himself.
3. The person we actually think of as Jesus is actually a mixture of various other pagan figures. Mithras, a Roman god popularly worshipped by Roman soldiers, was born on December 25th... Christianity as a whole is simply paganism with various evolutions. Angels as we know them come from winged Nikes of Greek mythology. Father, son, and holy spirit and a whole host of various saints? Direct paganism.
4. Politics, religion, and personal worldviews of the Eastern Roman Empire during Jesus' life are more or less completely unfathomable to us now.
5. A popular saying among the soldiers of Julius Caesar runs like this: He is a man for every woman, and a woman for every man. Homosexuality was common and accepted as commonplace among Roman citizens.

The point is, of course, that debating the opinions of Jesus is ridiculous, and harder to do with any degree of success than debating the opinions of any other fictional (or fictionalized) figure. One should live their life based upon common sense morals such as respect for other human beings, not upon 2000 year old legends. And certainly, one should base their political ideas on observational and empirical evidence and on personal economic and social philosophy.

Jesus would never wear Nikes... he was a Birkenstock man...

[MrBenn]

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And, of course, what we do have, were published by other people. None of the tenants that are considered 'Christian' actually came directly from Christ himself.
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Jesus wasn't a landlord, and I'm not sure he ran a letting agency?