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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Stephan Wayne on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:01 pm

King_Herpes wrote:I didn't necessarily think I'd win this game the other day.. Game 3850740

Would you call that game a risk?

OMG you only got 35 points from that :|
i would have got about 1000
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby THE ARMY on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:03 pm

King it is hard to win the amount of game you play. You have earned your rank, BUT personally i think that other ranks like Scott-Land deserve to be at the top or within the top 3, players like him are truley great at many settings and at many different ranks. Personally i do not agree with the way you and Max gain your points, but don't get angry its just me.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:04 pm

mpjh wrote:You can't blush, you have a wooden face.


That's not the only thing that's wooden and is flushed with blood....
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby OnlyAmbrose on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:04 pm

Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:15 pm

This war between the Farmers, and NOT Farmers, has been ragging for a while now. I have personally been advocating for a different room, or a different site, or anywhere, where us non farming risk lovers can go. Where we can gauge our skills in a whole new, and more fair way.
Well, MAP RANK is here. and here it will stay. I look for it to get even better. Like say a MAP RANK Leaderboard for every map. Either way get used to it. The true "RISK" players will know where to go to see the true leaders. :D
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:18 pm

THE ARMY wrote:King it is hard to win the amount of game you play. You have earned your rank, BUT personally i think that other ranks like Scott-Land deserve to be at the top or within the top 3, players like him are truley great at many settings and at many different ranks. Personally i do not agree with the way you and Max gain your points, but don't get angry its just me.



Does everyone have to follow this guy around and powder his ass? Yes I agree, and he has been #1 before not to long ago. Surely he could get back up into the top 3(He was less than a month ago) and perhaps even reclaim the balloon. However he has chosen to play other games and he isn't concerned with it at the moment I can assure you.

If I didn't get my points this way, I would find another way to do it. It would just take me longer. Much much longer. I am conscious of all ways to obtain them. I've studied an endless amount of gaining strategies and am very capable of mimicking them. I know you don't agree with the way I do things but that's of no concern to me. It's the fastest way to reach the goal I wanted to reach. Unlike the lot of you, I don't plan on wasting my time on an online game for years to come. I set my goals, I reach them at a set pace, then move on with my life and the next set of goals.

Angry with you? Do you not see that I'm practically the only one who is still being humorous? Nobody on this whole site could actually upset me for longer than a minute. It's a game. Composed of many unique people with endless differences in opinion. No matter what you do or say, there are always going to be those who disagree.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:24 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )
I love this map. And it gives me a good idea...
What if we had a game or two on World 2.1.
With the people in this thread. I see a wide variety of ranks represented from both sides.
We could make it teams or standard.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby maxatstuy on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:26 pm

THE ARMY wrote:King it is hard to win the amount of game you play. You have earned your rank, BUT personally i think that other ranks like Scott-Land deserve to be at the top or within the top 3, players like him are truley great at many settings and at many different ranks. Personally i do not agree with the way you and Max gain your points, but don't get angry its just me.


I think Scott deserves to be at the top as well...its hard convincing someone to throw you 3700 points.

To think, without those points, a player who is now at 4100, would be at 400...that sort of arrangement is awesome :!:
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Mr Changsha on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:34 pm

OnlyAmbrose wrote:Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )


The most sensible thing written over the last 5 pages I've just ploughed through!

Great thread this and I (mercifully for you all I am sure) have very little to add.

However...

The chap with the psychotic cat for an avatar (porkenbeans?) is making the tremendous mistake of choosing a single stat with which to judge all players. It just so happens that stat happens to be the one which portrays him in the best light.

I suppose it is a form of selective reasoning, and max don't start quoting your high school health books at me again...I don't doubt my terminology is probably flawed at the US high school level! ;)

It seems this thread has moved through its early, immature phase in which ALL top players were overrated, to a point now where SOME players are definitely overrated and we better all work out which players are the overrated ones.

Delicious!

What we need now are stats people, stats! We need some nerdy type with time on his hands to start posting stats on games played, games won, map rank, maps played, volume of games per day, average number of players played in each game (watch the psychotic cat plummet out of contention) and even time spent on the site...That nerdy type then needs to come up with some sort of equation, which other nerdy types can also argue about for pages and, in the end, we'll all be even less sure of what makes a top player overrated or not!
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:37 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )
I love this map. And it gives me a good idea...
What if we had a game or two on World 2.1.
With the people in this thread. I see a wide variety of ranks represented from both sides.
We could make it teams or standard.



Yay! Then we could all put aside our differences, come over to my house, and share some hearty laughs over a cup of hot chocolate with a candy cane. Afterwards, maybe I could walk you out to your car Porker where we could have a moment of understanding and exchange a much needed hand shake.

Perhaps when you show a modicum of respect for me will I oblige into said game. Until that day, keep your hopes up sugar nipples.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby THE ARMY on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:40 pm

King_Herpes wrote:
THE ARMY wrote:King it is hard to win the amount of game you play. You have earned your rank, BUT personally i think that other ranks like Scott-Land deserve to be at the top or within the top 3, players like him are truley great at many settings and at many different ranks. Personally i do not agree with the way you and Max gain your points, but don't get angry its just me.



Does everyone have to follow this guy around and powder his ass? Yes I agree, and he has been #1 before not to long ago. Surely he could get back up into the top 3(He was less than a month ago) and perhaps even reclaim the balloon. However he has chosen to play other games and he isn't concerned with it at the moment I can assure you.

If I didn't get my points this way, I would find another way to do it. It would just take me longer. Much much longer. I am conscious of all ways to obtain them. I've studied an endless amount of gaining strategies and am very capable of mimicking them. I know you don't agree with the way I do things but that's of no concern to me. It's the fastest way to reach the goal I wanted to reach. Unlike the lot of you, I don't plan on wasting my time on an online game for years to come. I set my goals, I reach them at a set pace, then move on with my life and the next set of goals.

Angry with you? Do you not see that I'm practically the only one who is still being humorous? Nobody on this whole site could actually upset me for longer than a minute. It's a game. Composed of many unique people with endless differences in opinion. No matter what you do or say, there are always going to be those who disagree.



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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby jarrett155 on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:51 pm

i wonder what would happen if waterloo and all points ever gained/lost on it were removed:P
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:56 pm

jarrett155 wrote:i wonder what would happen if waterloo and all points ever gained/lost on it were removed:P



Then your post wouldn't be here. Neither would this one and all that answer to it.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby jarrett155 on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:58 pm

:P and you would have under 1000 points:P
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Incandenza on Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:59 pm

jarrett155 wrote:i wonder what would happen if waterloo and all points ever gained/lost on it were removed:P


I could give a shit about the points, but I'll stab the next person suggesting that masterpiece of a map be removed. Foggy waterloo 1v1s are the finest pure strategic experience on this site, IMHO.

And Herp, that feudal game you posted the link to above? Holy crap.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:03 pm

jarrett155 wrote::P and you would have under 1000 points:P



Yeah sure smart ass, with the empty assumption that I wouldn't have found another map to do what I do on. Or falsely assuming that I haven't already proven to myself that it's just as lucrative on maps such as....Bamboo Jack, Gazalla, Battle of Actium, D-Day which it is. That's just the map that I've grown a liking for. Don't flatter yourself to the contrary.

You honestly believe that one maps non-existence is going to be the collapse of the Herpes time space continuum? Good one.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:10 pm

Mr Changsha wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )


The most sensible thing written over the last 5 pages I've just ploughed through!

Great thread this and I (mercifully for you all I am sure) have very little to add.

However...

The chap with the psychotic cat for an avatar (porkenbeans?) is making the tremendous mistake of choosing a single stat with which to judge all players. It just so happens that stat happens to be the one which portrays him in the best light.

I suppose it is a form of selective reasoning, and max don't start quoting your high school health books at me again...I don't doubt my terminology is probably flawed at the US high school level! ;)

It seems this thread has moved through its early, immature phase in which ALL top players were overrated, to a point now where SOME players are definitely overrated and we better all work out which players are the overrated ones.

Delicious!

What we need now are stats people, stats! We need some nerdy type with time on his hands to start posting stats on games played, games won, map rank, maps played, volume of games per day, average number of players played in each game (watch the psychotic cat plummet out of contention) and even time spent on the site...That nerdy type then needs to come up with some sort of equation, which other nerdy types can also argue about for pages and, in the end, we'll all be even less sure of what makes a top player overrated or not!
The mistake is yours. There are a lot of statistics there. and you can even arrange them as you wish. There is a whole new world of information there. For the nerdy types and all other types as well.
Your own stats are good. It is very Impressive that you could achieve such a high rank in only 100 games. I can glean from your stats that you start public games and take on all comers. I like that. You are, in no way, even close, to being a skilless farmer. I just looked at your recent game with the KING. Did you get one of his mailers too ? How in the hell did you get him to play SEQ. Oh, nice job of crushing him by the way.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:17 pm

King_Herpes wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )
I love this map. And it gives me a good idea...
What if we had a game or two on World 2.1.
With the people in this thread. I see a wide variety of ranks represented from both sides.
We could make it teams or standard.



Yay! Then we could all put aside our differences, come over to my house, and share some hearty laughs over a cup of hot chocolate with a candy cane. Afterwards, maybe I could walk you out to your car Porker where we could have a moment of understanding and exchange a much needed hand shake.

Perhaps when you show a modicum of respect for me will I oblige into said game. Until that day, keep your hopes up sugar nipples.
That is exactly my contention . You are not the best payer here. NOT even close. So, NO I don't respect you as a player. I would however, do so, if they were to give a tag to your crown. Something like, KING OF THE COOKS. ...sugar nipples.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Prankcall on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:19 pm

Do you people ever get tired of crying about this issue?! Maybe you should start salting the soil?!
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:30 pm

porkenbeans wrote:That is exactly my contention . You are not the best payer here. NOT even close. So, NO I don't respect you as a player. I would however, do so, if they were to give a tag to your crown. Something like, KING OF THE COOKS. ...sugar nipples.


Well then who is the best payer? Please, please call me what you will and tag me accordingly. Although I'll have you know that there can only be one sweet tits in this thread. You have already demonstrated your gossipy mutterings about who has the biggest CC Johnson. Proving yet again that you are a girl, so quit smearing your makeup all over reason and realize you've been f*cked. You should be proud though because I usually don't sleep with chunkers.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby Mr Changsha on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:39 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
Mr Changsha wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )


The most sensible thing written over the last 5 pages I've just ploughed through!

Great thread this and I (mercifully for you all I am sure) have very little to add.

However...

The chap with the psychotic cat for an avatar (porkenbeans?) is making the tremendous mistake of choosing a single stat with which to judge all players. It just so happens that stat happens to be the one which portrays him in the best light.

I suppose it is a form of selective reasoning, and max don't start quoting your high school health books at me again...I don't doubt my terminology is probably flawed at the US high school level! ;)

It seems this thread has moved through its early, immature phase in which ALL top players were overrated, to a point now where SOME players are definitely overrated and we better all work out which players are the overrated ones.

Delicious!

What we need now are stats people, stats! We need some nerdy type with time on his hands to start posting stats on games played, games won, map rank, maps played, volume of games per day, average number of players played in each game (watch the psychotic cat plummet out of contention) and even time spent on the site...That nerdy type then needs to come up with some sort of equation, which other nerdy types can also argue about for pages and, in the end, we'll all be even less sure of what makes a top player overrated or not!
The mistake is yours. There are a lot of statistics there. and you can even arrange them as you wish. There is a whole new world of information there. For the nerdy types and all other types as well.
Your own stats are good. It is very Impressive that you could achieve such a high rank in only 100 games.


Well of course my stats are great! ;)

Sadly I have neither the time, wit or desire to work out all of those stats and I suspect very few people would. I don't even have map rank!

However, I do like using the game finder to check out my stats on various maps and settings. Just me, a lap top and my mobile phone's calculator and I'm in la la land...
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby e_i_pi on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:43 pm

As much as I hate farming, there is skill involved in getting to 5k+, a lot of skill. I'm surprised Max is able to get so high, which makes me suspicious about some of his opponents, but it still takes skill. I think in 1v1 recently I'm about 5 wins 2 losses for every 7. This won't sustain my score at ~2000. In order to maintain 4800 points doing 1v1, assuming the average opponent is say 1200, you have to win 80% of games. That is just to maintain 4800 points. In order to increase from there, you need to win >80%. That's a lot more difficult than it looks.

Though, some maps do aid this a fair amount. JR and I are just about to complete a set of 10-12 doubles 4p on Waterloo. I think we're going to lose 1, giving us a win ratio of 90%+ (I also think the one we're losing is to an ex-player multi lol). Being doubles, it's easy to get points against an unorganised team that doesn't communicate and isn't familiar with the map. But, what do you do? Hold us accountable for the fact that other players aren't as good at the map? Is it our fault that our opponents are unprepared?

I don't like farming, but when you get to 2k+, everything you do classifies as either farming (opponents <1500k) or elitism (organised games opponents 2k+). I have yet to hear a solution that brings fairness across the board anyhow.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby porkenbeans on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:45 pm

Mr Changsha wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:
Mr Changsha wrote:
OnlyAmbrose wrote:Real men play World 2.1, 6-8 players, flat rate or no cards. ;)

(and fog-of-war if you're extra manly :D )


The most sensible thing written over the last 5 pages I've just ploughed through!

Great thread this and I (mercifully for you all I am sure) have very little to add.

However...

The chap with the psychotic cat for an avatar (porkenbeans?) is making the tremendous mistake of choosing a single stat with which to judge all players. It just so happens that stat happens to be the one which portrays him in the best light.

I suppose it is a form of selective reasoning, and max don't start quoting your high school health books at me again...I don't doubt my terminology is probably flawed at the US high school level! ;)

It seems this thread has moved through its early, immature phase in which ALL top players were overrated, to a point now where SOME players are definitely overrated and we better all work out which players are the overrated ones.

Delicious!

What we need now are stats people, stats! We need some nerdy type with time on his hands to start posting stats on games played, games won, map rank, maps played, volume of games per day, average number of players played in each game (watch the psychotic cat plummet out of contention) and even time spent on the site...That nerdy type then needs to come up with some sort of equation, which other nerdy types can also argue about for pages and, in the end, we'll all be even less sure of what makes a top player overrated or not!
The mistake is yours. There are a lot of statistics there. and you can even arrange them as you wish. There is a whole new world of information there. For the nerdy types and all other types as well.
Your own stats are good. It is very Impressive that you could achieve such a high rank in only 100 games.


Well of course my stats are great! ;)

Sadly I have neither the time, wit or desire to work out all of those stats and I suspect very few people would. I don't even have map rank!

However, I do like using the game finder to check out my stats on various maps and settings. Just me, a lap top and my mobile phone's calculator and I'm in la la land...
Do you have Firefox ?
I just installed MAP RANK. It is very fast and easy and FREE. I gotta tell ya, I think it is fantastic. And I think that you would see what the fuss is all about.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby lgoasklucyl on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:48 pm

Wouldn't it be great if someone just organized a goddamn tournament and top, say, 15-25 players scoreboard joined. It could utilize a variety of game types and matches to rule out any chance factor, then whoever took the tournament could be the 'best' and everyone could stop throwing down over it? Could be a recurring tournament so one person couldn't sit on top permanently, but it sure would be fun to watch :D

That being said, I see quite a few people in the top who would want nothing to do with it. Not particularly understandable, as the point loss wouldn't be TOO bad (I mean, the usual point loss Max/Herps look at is what? 80? ;) ). Sorry. I don't want to start fights, haha. Just playing along, that's all!

Maybe I'll drop a line in suggs and buggs about this.
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Re: TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

Postby King_Herpes on Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:55 pm

lgoasklucyl wrote:Wouldn't it be great if someone just organized a goddamn tournament and top, say, 15-25 players scoreboard joined. It could utilize a variety of game types and matches to rule out any chance factor, then whoever took the tournament could be the 'best' and everyone could stop throwing down over it? Could be a recurring tournament so one person couldn't sit on top permanently, but it sure would be fun to watch :D



An all stars tournament would be fantabulous! However, I doubt it will ever come into fruition. You could bet your rear end I'd be in it though.
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