Forced to be Christian

[Napoleon Ier]

Not a threat. You are repeating yourself. You have nothing new to say. You are interrupting another conversation to troll. Continue and I will report your conduct.

I'm sorry,you're the one denying genocides here. You've got some bloody cheek threatening CA for trolling when you're trying to claim that Stalin and Mao never committed any atrocities and provide strictly no evidence against the combined opinion, writings and research of pretty much every single person in the world with a history degree...

[cowboyz]

Wow, lots said. Sorry I don't check this forum too often...usually busy with games

Anyway to mpjh,
just google is man, there is way more information there than I will be able to fit on these forums. And I don't want to get too far off topic.

But Marin Ronne nailed a few points
Basically, when you turn the focus away from Jesus and onto anything other than him, in the Catholic Church case, focusing on the pope, the virgin Mary, and whatnot.
Like I already said, being a practicing Christian is more than just rituals and repetitious songs/prayers.

How is the Catholic Church and Roman Catholicism evil, well besides fooling people into thinking they are saved, thus keeping them from truly knowing and experiencing God's love...just take a look at the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition. Those 2 are more than enough.

I ask again, how are "biblical christians" different from christians?

In the context he used it in I'm going to assume that when he says "biblical Christians" he means Christians who agree more or less with his interpretation of the Bible.

There is only one correct interpretation of scripture. That is the one that the Holy Spirit gives, since He was the Inspiration for the entire Bible.



Anyway like I said before, no man can change another's heart without consent.

[got tonkaed]

How does one justify the differing focuses and interpretation of scripture then? Are the majority of Christians wrong and if so, what does that say about the nature of the Holy Spirit? Or do they just not listen/are not influenced by it?

[PLAYER57832]

How does one justify the differing focuses and interpretation of scripture then? Are the majority of Christians wrong and if so, what does that say about the nature of the Holy Spirit? Or do they just not listen/are not influenced by it?

A lot of people think the Roman Catholic church is wrong. Those who think the members of that church are not or cannot be "true believers" is a much smaller number.

One thing is true for all churches ... just joining, even participating in all the rituals , does not make you a Christian. Christianity is in the heart... and only God knows a person's heart.

[OnlyAmbrose]

I ask again, how are "biblical christians" different from christians?

In the context he used it in I'm going to assume that when he says "biblical Christians" he means Christians who agree more or less with his interpretation of the Bible.

There is only one correct interpretation of scripture. That is the one that the Holy Spirit gives, since He was the Inspiration for the entire Bible.

And what makes you think that the Holy Spirit has given it to you and not to me? The pride of such a thought is staggering.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but your argument that the Catholic Church is evil basically falls the lines of "Well, this organization of learned scripture scholars teaches an interpretation of scripture that is different from my own - and MY interpretation of scripture was given to me by the Holy Spirit. I know that because... well, just 'cause! So Catholics are evil and aren't saved because they disagree with me on the topic of salvation."

Perhaps you should look into your own heart and see if you can see your own pride before you make claims about the Catholic Church based on false assumptions, misconceptions, and half-truths.


EDIT -and again, this is off-topic, so I'd like to invite you to the Jesus Freaks clan as well so we can discuss this at length in an appropriate environment.

[Martin Ronne]

One thing is true for all churches ... just joining, even participating in all the rituals , does not make you a Christian. Christianity is in the heart... and only God knows a person's heart.

Spot on!

[Snorri1234]

Which is why I hate it when believers tell me that I will burn in hell for not believing in God when I bloody hell cannot.

[pimpdave]

Religion sucks.

[Napoleon Ier]

Which is why I hate it when believers tell me that I will burn in hell for not believing in God when I bloody hell cannot.

Well, they're wrong, and what's worse, protestant.

[pimpdave]

Which is why I hate it when believers tell me that I will burn in hell for not believing in God when I bloody hell cannot.

Well, they're wrong, and what's worse, protestant.

Catholicism = GAIDS

[Napoleon Ier]

you are troling off tipuc continue and I will report you if you do not desisst.

[pimpdave]

That is my opinion of Catholicism.

Prove me wrong.

Here is my position:

1) Priests f*ck little boys
2) That is wrong
3) Catholic church tries to cover it up rather than secure justice and security for it's parishioners
4) Catholicism = GAIDS

Prove me wrong.

[pimpdave]

Oh, and I could report you for trolling against Protestants you Papist.

I am deeply offended by your angry and insulting words against Protestants. But I guess it's okay for you to share your honest opinion and not for me to share with you that

CATHOLICISM = GAIDS

[Napoleon Ier]

That is my opinion of Catholicism.

Prove me wrong.

Here is my position:

1) Priests f*ck little boys
2) That is wrong
3) Catholic church tries to cover it up rather than secure justice and security for it's parishioners
4) Catholicism = GAIDS

Prove me wrong.

read the OP. When you have something of value then you can say it, otherwise everything you say is a flame and wrong. You will be reported. all the OP did was post a poll of credible profesionalls saying a majority of americans believe protestantts and monolithic liturgical theology are wrong. SO they are.

[On a serious note: there's evidence to suggest Catholic priests actually bugger little boys less than the average in the general population]

[pimpdave]

[On a serious note: there's evidence to suggest Catholic priests actually bugger little boys less than the average in the general population]

Isn't that just because they cover it all up?

Fine, regardless of all of that, they still utilize a unilateral power structure unbecoming not only of the post Renaissance world, but also unbecoming of any system to secure justice or freedom.

I'll go read the OP now, but I still say Catholicism is a force of EVIL. That's not a flame, and if you take it as such, you should just block me.

[pimpdave]

Seems to me like a perfectly rational ultimatum to deliver to potentially malicious foreign terrorists living on Christendom's soil.

THAT IS A FLAME

PREPARE TO BE REPORTED, ANTI-SEMITIC PAPIST.

[Napoleon Ier]

By the way, I was trying albeit unsuccessfully in retrospect to take the piss of mpjh, if there's one thing I'm not going to do it's report you.


Erm. On serious substance, the study (Pedophiles and Priests: Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis) doesn't base itself on just what the Church reports. I mean, you can't base such a sweeping equation as Catholocism=GAIDS on such a tenuous assumption. I could say "there's evidence for government lizrdmen", then you'd say, well no, clearly not, then I'd respond well that's because they cover it up. I mean, by your logic, then you'd be fucked.

[Napoleon Ier]

Seems to me like a perfectly rational ultimatum to deliver to potentially malicious foreign terrorists living on Christendom's soil.

THAT IS A FLAME

PREPARE TO BE REPORTED, ANTI-SEMITIC PAPIST.

Yeah... it drove mpjh pretty mad. It was worth it though.

[CrazyAnglican]

I'll go read the OP now, but I still say Catholicism is a force of EVIL

There is a lot to suggest that this is just not the case. Surely the Roman Catholic CHurch has its problems like any earthly organization would. Yet even the OP has cited the theology of Development and Liberation Theology that the Vatican has supported over the years. There is any amount of humanitarian aid provided by the faithful and organized by the RCC among other Churches (all of which has been clearly cited in this thread and others). It's a rather narrow view to just look at the negatives of any organization.

[pimpdave]

I was unaware, until just this moment, that Catholics had any semblance of logic or reason whatsoever.

So, if you are able to point out the obvious fallacy in my conclusion, why do you believe in Transubstantiation?

[CrazyAnglican]

Was that directed at me? I'm not Roman Catholic.

[pimpdave]

Only Protestants can act for good, as they are the only ones who exhibit democratic tendencies.

Catholic Church = Absolute power in the hands of One

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, making that power EVIL.

[pimpdave]

Was that directed at me? I'm not Roman Catholic.

No, you just fast posted on me and I didn't edit my post accordingly. I have no problems with you at all, CA.

[Napoleon Ier]

Transubstantiation is perfectly legit. doctrine, what's wrong with it?

[CrazyAnglican]

Whoa, Since when is democracy a proof against evil? As to democratic tendencies I'll have to defer to anyone who's an RCC member on that one.