Moderators: Multi Hunters, Cheating/Abuse Team
Have the cow butchered, and I'll take it. And just to let you know, it might be best to put things in ways everyone in the game can understand to try and keep away from problems like this.roconnor wrote:Not a secret. Please see game chat logs:
2008-11-25 18:44:12 - jlduff: i have 10 chickens and a cow to offer for peace between our peoples.
2008-11-26 21:32:46 - roconnor: A fine offer. I will take it. In return I will give you a fine turkey.
I'm the insane guy, that you never wanna meet... See the end of my blade? It's sharp. hehetdans wrote:lets rock this joint... or.. lets have them Blow this,,,,,, joint
1. I complimented "Red" before I was aware he was receiving deliberate help from another player to team up and kill each of those players.roconnor wrote:I agree - in hindsight perhaps a more clear statement would have been better. Diplomacy and wit don't mix?
However in this case during the game the following was also known:
1. 2009-01-25 23:10:25 - MasterGuns: btw Red, your 4 kills so far in this game are very impressive. nice work
2009-01-26 20:09:21 - jlduff: I had a lot of help fyi
2. As shown in the log - Red and I took out 3 players with exactly the same tactic. I attacked first, he then followed up and took the player out.
Meanwhile, this MasterGuns fellow is running from active game to active game for jlduff (and I can only presume also roconnor's) making statements about jlduff in the game chat. Not being part of those games, I believe this could easily be construed as abuse or harassment. For instance, game numbers Game 4136376 , Game 4165419 and Game 4165414.MasterGuns wrote:Accused:
roconnor
jlduff
The accused are suspected of:
Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Game number(s):
Game 3624182
Comments: Please read the Game Log and Game chat, but it appears to be obvious Secret Diplomacy. Thank you, Masterguns
To keep things on-topic and neat and tidy for the moderators, you probably should (I probably should have).roconnor wrote:Oh dear, he is doing to all of my games as well. It amazes me what some people find the time to do.
I think this is in clear violation of:
Chats of Games you are not in
* It is typically advised to not post in the chats of games you are not playing. If you do wish to post in another player's game, please keep your comments limited to a Good Luck comment or a quick question. Spamming or trolling other player's games is not allowed.
Can someone tell me should I create a new Abuse report for this, or will this thread suffice?
MasterGuns reply:Woodruff wrote:To keep things on-topic and neat and tidy for the moderators, you probably should (I probably should have).roconnor wrote:Oh dear, he is doing to all of my games as well. It amazes me what some people find the time to do.
I think this is in clear violation of:
Chats of Games you are not in
* It is typically advised to not post in the chats of games you are not playing. If you do wish to post in another player's game, please keep your comments limited to a Good Luck comment or a quick question. Spamming or trolling other player's games is not allowed.
Can someone tell me should I create a new Abuse report for this, or will this thread suffice?
I certainly agree that (at least, from what I've witnessed personally), your posts were not vulgar nor offensive in nature. However, the fact of the matter is that they DID NOT voilate the rules of secret diplomacy. Quite honestly, I look at what they posted and it seemed unavoidably clear what they were saying. So your running around to all of their games is clearly (to me) badmouthing them unwarrantedly. Granted, this is just my opinion and I'm certainly not "official" in any way.MasterGuns wrote:MasterGuns reply:Woodruff wrote:To keep things on-topic and neat and tidy for the moderators, you probably should (I probably should have).roconnor wrote:Oh dear, he is doing to all of my games as well. It amazes me what some people find the time to do.
I think this is in clear violation of:
Chats of Games you are not in
* It is typically advised to not post in the chats of games you are not playing. If you do wish to post in another player's game, please keep your comments limited to a Good Luck comment or a quick question. Spamming or trolling other player's games is not allowed.
Can someone tell me should I create a new Abuse report for this, or will this thread suffice?
I believe it is questionable if my (Non-threatening) warning to other players should be conceived as spamming or trolling. I did not leave more than one message in any of this players games and my comment was not vulgar or offensive in nature. The message I did leave was a simple warning to other players that these two players violated the rules of secret diplomacy. This is the actual Rule as stated in the Rules section:
Rule #2: No secret diplomacy
Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand.
Therefore using coded messages (as both players clearly did in the game chat) is a clear violation of this rule#2.
Well Woodruff, we are all entitled to our own opinion, however the fact of the matter is that they DID Violate the rules of secret Diplomacy. Quite honestly, I played in the game that they used "a language that NOT all opponents understood" the fact that you, who did not even play in the game with the players I have accused, is completely irrelevant. The Rule is stated clearly and the fact that the conversation is not in clear English language to even one opponent is a violation of Rule #2. If we really want to get nit picky we can also ask the other 4 players who were killed off earlier in the game by this unclear treaty and take testimonials from them as well. But this posting of cheating to the mods was to make sure the accused players are aware that what they did was against the rules and that they should not repeat their actions. If the mods also feel as though my responsive actions were in uncalled for I'm sure they will advise me as such.Woodruff wrote:I certainly agree that (at least, from what I've witnessed personally), your posts were not vulgar nor offensive in nature. However, the fact of the matter is that they DID NOT voilate the rules of secret diplomacy. Quite honestly, I look at what they posted and it seemed unavoidably clear what they were saying. So your running around to all of their games is clearly (to me) badmouthing them unwarrantedly. Granted, this is just my opinion and I'm certainly not "official" in any way.MasterGuns wrote:MasterGuns reply:Woodruff wrote:To keep things on-topic and neat and tidy for the moderators, you probably should (I probably should have).roconnor wrote:Oh dear, he is doing to all of my games as well. It amazes me what some people find the time to do.
I think this is in clear violation of:
Chats of Games you are not in
* It is typically advised to not post in the chats of games you are not playing. If you do wish to post in another player's game, please keep your comments limited to a Good Luck comment or a quick question. Spamming or trolling other player's games is not allowed.
Can someone tell me should I create a new Abuse report for this, or will this thread suffice?
I believe it is questionable if my (Non-threatening) warning to other players should be conceived as spamming or trolling. I did not leave more than one message in any of this players games and my comment was not vulgar or offensive in nature. The message I did leave was a simple warning to other players that these two players violated the rules of secret diplomacy. This is the actual Rule as stated in the Rules section:
Rule #2: No secret diplomacy
Any form of diplomatic discussion between opponents must be posted in the game chat in English or in a language that all opponents understand.
Therefore using coded messages (as both players clearly did in the game chat) is a clear violation of this rule#2.
Fair enough, I still hold strong to what I believe on this, but the mods have spoken and a warning on both sides is fair. I think we both got each others message and thus I retract my claim of possible multis and as far as the secret alliance is concerned, I shall agree that even though it was not completely clear that both players did at least attempt to make their alliance known. I would like to add that even though both players are cleared, that the style of play whereas two players team up in a multi player game to systematically eliminate other players is still considered in my opinion to be cheap play and both players shall remain on my foe list as they do appear to recognise how their style of play is very unfair to other players in a non-team game.lancehoch wrote:Looking through the chat and game log, it is pretty apparent that roconnor and jlduff made an alliance in the game chat. This was on November 25th, over two months ago. Since that time, roconnor assisted jlduff in making at least two of the four kills in the game. Neither player has attacked the other since they agreed to their truce. I will mark this [Noted] due to the odd language used in making the agreement. Please make alliance agreements in plain language so that it is easier for others to understand. Also, they are Cleared of being multis with one another.
roconnor is not involved in the game that you have linked.HannibalSmith wrote:Cleared????
You guys cleared these two??????????????????
Game 3964368
They are doing it again and with no "open deal" in game chat. The duo has been peacefully sharing S. America (yes sharing a continent meaning they don't even know how to cheat right). Red is more concerned with me pulling out of Maghreb then dealing with green or the game leader who happens to be holding a continent and six bonuses...
