Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

[Natewolfman]

going to take some getting used to! but a great one, thanks lack/guys who suggested it

[R0k0v]

army count box was better on the left

[owenshooter]

army count box was better on the left

agree, don't really like this change. it is counter intuitive... sigh... the black jesus is disappointed...-0

p.s.-but thanks for the update lack. if you think it is for the best, i am sure i shall see the light... eventually...

[InkL0sed]

I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me.

Otherwise though, a good update.

[Kotaro]

I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me.

Otherwise though, a good update.

Agreed completely

[potiusmori]

Good suggestion potiusmori, benjikat and Androidz. It is now live

Also made it default to max # of armies, as suggested here: Fort All Armies, not One

This should cut down on the number of clicks and associated cases of carpal tunnel syndrome.

Long live reinforcements!

oholycrap. i had forgotten i had even mentioned it... loving it though. thanks lack

[owenshooter]

I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0

[sully800]

I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0

It moved to the right, because the country you are fortifying from determines the number of armies that can be fortified, not the other way around.

It's counter intuitive because you are used to reading it as a sentence. Fortify X from Y to Z. Now you're still probably thinking that but the sentence has changed to Fortify from Y to Z, X armies. It may not be as neat, but its actually more logical to determine the from country first, then the to country, then the number

Give it a week or two and I imagine we'll all be used to it.

[magpies]

Good job guys,great improvment>

[Androidz]

O.o, one of my suggestions actully came trough, even tough i wasen't first one to suggest it .

Anyway great update:)

[owenshooter]

I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0

It moved to the right, because the country you are fortifying from determines the number of armies that can be fortified, not the other way around.

It's counter intuitive because you are used to reading it as a sentence. Fortify X from Y to Z. Now you're still probably thinking that but the sentence has changed to Fortify from Y to Z, X armies. It may not be as neat, but its actually more logical to determine the from country first, then the to country, then the number

Give it a week or two and I imagine we'll all be used to it.

sully, are you looking at the same thing i'm looking at on my games? i'm sorry but it makes far more sense to say, move x number of armies from Y to Z, than to say move Y to Z, x number of armies... if i look at a stack of apples that i want to move to a box. i am going to say, "move 3 apples from the stack, to the box. i'm not going to say, move apples to the box, 3 of them... maybe i'm not smart enough to understand what you are saying, but i am smart enough to know that it is counter intuitive... the black jesus has spoken...-0

[Johnny Crow]

If it's not broke...don't fix it.

[Rainman23]

I like the old way better I think they should switch back from left to right!

[Thezzaruz]

A small change that improves playability? I love it!
to all involved.

i'm sorry but it makes far more sense to say, move x number of armies from Y to Z, than to say move Y to Z, x number of armies... if i look at a stack of apples that i want to move to a box. i am going to say, "move 3 apples from the stack, to the box. i'm not going to say, move apples to the box, 3 of them...

It just feels strange because you're not used to it and thus is forming the sentence based on the old system and not on your actual thought process, I think we all can agree that the first choice we make is "from where" and then consider "how many". And this change actually makes it more intuitive now IMO.
And your analogy falters as the numbers box doesn't know how many armies it can move until you have made a choice in the from box. Your suggestion would lead to people having to make a choice in the middle box (from) and then having to retrace their steps to the left box to choose how many, now we just go from left to right.

+ everything that sully said.

[owenshooter]

A small change that improves playability? I love it!
to all involved.

It just feels strange because you're not used to it and thus is forming the sentence based on the old system and not on your actual thought process, I think we all can agree that the first choice we make is "from where" and then consider "how many". And this change actually makes it more intuitive now IMO.
And your analogy falters as the numbers box doesn't know how many armies it can move until you have made a choice in the from box. Your suggestion would lead to people having to make a choice in the middle box (from) and then having to retrace their steps to the left box to choose how many, now we just go from left to right.

+ everything that sully said.

i'm talking about in the final fortifications phase, not during the attacks.. during the attacks, it is WONDERFUL. when you are making reenfrocements, it is counter intuitive, period. just took another turn, and it is just silly.
you fly through with the new change, and it is great. then you end attacks, and you have to switch the thought process to move your troops around... it just makes zero sense... you now attack and fortify 2 seperate ways in
the same boxes!!! how in the hell is that "better"? it makes no sense. the black jesus has spoken.-0

[Night Strike]

My guess is that the From Where country is selected first so the number of troops can auto-adjust to what that territory has.

What I'm happy about is that it doesn't appear to have harmed Clicky Maps.

[kmhebert]

Hey Try it! You'll like it. No. I don't. Specifically what I do not like is how the default # of armies to fortify is the maximum possible. I would like it to be the minimum possible. I do like how it fixes the illegal fortification issue. But I would like a Game Setting to allow you to set your default to either the min or max # of armies, that should be easy. Heh sometimes improvements are in the eye of the beholder.

[Tracita]

I am trying it (I have no choice) but I do think it is counterintuitive... maybe b/c I am not used to it. The sentence is awkward though.

[owenshooter]

I am trying it (I have no choice) but I do think it is counterintuitive... maybe b/c I am not used to it. The sentence is awkward though.

amen... i mean, you should attack and forify the same way, right? i can live with the max number for advancing after attack... i just don't like the box switching sides for reenforcements and having to call on the german language structure for it to make sense to me... the black jesus has agreed with tracita...-0

[Orwell]

Max forts as default is fine.

Moving the dropdown box was a mistake:
"Reinforce from (A) to (B) (#) troops" is awkward to say the least
whereas
"Reinforce (#) troops from (A) to (B)" is clear.

If a change in the order is important, I suggest:
"(A) sends (#) troops to reinforce (B)"

[moo_biatch]

It was moved for flow reasons. If the # box was on the left still, people would select a # of troops, then select the place to take them from and the the # box would reset. That causes an extra step.

[Orwell]

I think most would understand after a few games, and it isint that hard to understand. But a other way of doing it is to set it as Filter on control panel: From Easy Fortifcateing [v] to Moderate For...[x]

An option would be great. Not because the new arrangement is hard understand - but because it is completely illogical.

[yeti_c]

Max forts as default is fine.

Moving the dropdown box was a mistake:
"Reinforce from (A) to (B) (#) troops" is awkward to say the least
whereas
"Reinforce (#) troops from (A) to (B)" is clear.

If a change in the order is important, I suggest:
"(A) sends (#) troops to reinforce (B)"

This one.

C.

[cougarfoxtrot]

Can't stand this change...the logic is counterintuitive

[owenshooter]

It just feels strange because you're not used to it and thus is forming the sentence based on the old system and not on your actual thought process, I think we all can agree that the first choice we make is "from where" and then consider "how many". And this change actually makes it more intuitive now IMO.

no, it feels strange because it is counter intuitive and illogical. never in my life has my first choice been to thing "from where" and then to consider "how many". it is always "how many" and then "from where". now, if you are german, i will agree with you, just based on the language structure used in deutschland. other than that, no way this is more intuitive. again, as many others have said, it is counter intuitive and just upsets the flow of the game when you switch to fortifying. makes no sense to attack and then re-enforce in 2 seperate ways. zero sense... the black jesus has spoken...-0