A Real Map of France Please

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:31 am

The current map of France is not a real map of france--it is only partially correct. Most of the 92 departments are left out, and they are divided incorrectly into 7 regions instead of 20. I would really like to see an accurate map of France. One can find a proper map by googling "france regions" or "france departments". It would certainly be cool to have a real map to play on

And educational.

Thanks!

http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http ... image&cd=1

by **captainwalrus** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:48 am

Perhaps a france 2.0 like world 2.0. :-k

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:46 pm

XD I saw this and was bored so thought i'd mess around and see if i could do anything near it and didn't see the link you provided to map and started using the wikipedia one when yours is a lot simpler with the words on instead of numbers XD

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:53 pm

this is a pretty nice map of france. dunno where the hard borders should go, but i like the way they are set up in the 18th century france map that's in the foundry right now.

http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http ... image&cd=1

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:55 pm

any1 got a list of those alt functions so i can put accents on?

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:57 pm

i'm using a french keyboard so i don't know the alt functions, but i hope this helps

é è ê à î ï ô ö œ ç ù

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:00 pm

shouldn't need it now found region thing on france on wikipedia

by **the.killing.44** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:02 pm

alt - e = é
alt - i = î
alt - q = œ
alt - u = ü
alt - ` = è

.44

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:16 pm

and i'd suggest someone else to make it as i'm not very good with graphics and suck i just want tos ee what i can do

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:27 pm

am dl'ing some graphics software to try and fool with it myself. does anyone know if the maps on wikipedia are freeware? i.e., are they copyrighted such that we can't copy and then alter them?

by **the.killing.44** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:29 pm

theallnewbatman wrote:am dl'ing some graphics software to try and fool with it myself. does anyone know if the maps on wikipedia are freeware? i.e., are they copyrighted such that we can't copy and then alter them?

Copy + alter is how most geographical maps are made.

.44

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:36 pm

I'll still show you what i got after though incase you're interested?

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:48 pm

definitely

very cool of you to work something up!

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:15 pm

How far you got on yours if your still on this forum i just finished the west and north coast departments/counties.

by **iancanton** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:26 pm

a map of the departments of france will not be interesting for most people, nor very educational! this is because 99% of non-french people will have heard of none of the departments: people travel to, and hear about football teams based in, french cities and towns, while the department name is usually not useful. from each department, it's better to choose one town or city and use that as the territory name. good luck!

by the way, u might be interested in this 18th century france map in the final forge.

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=50387

ian.

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:58 pm

thanks for the input. i think french people would actually be interested in the departments (as much as americans would be interested in individual states, and i myself want to learn the regions and departments too

but it is a cool idea to do another one with the only regions and the capital city of each region.

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:29 pm

i give up, at least for tonight. after 3 hours of farting around with different maps and using free graphics software that wants to lock the text blocks every time i save... grrr...

this is the map i ended up going with, just because it's the easiest to work on that i've found.
http://www.ffrandonnee.fr/la-federation ... egions.gif i deleted the boxed sections and cut corsica into two regions the way it really is.

and i hope the french will excuse me for lumping the 8 tiny regions around and including paris into Ile-de-France, which i figure should be worth +1 as an autonomous country, like moscow in the soviet union board. it's a shame to lose the regions though because it would be strategically cool to have it set up the way it really is set up, but the regions are too small on the map for the names, let alone the numbers of armies.

i think i'll call it (or if someone else does the map--which is probably best--it would be cool for them to keep the name) La Hexagone, which is what the french call the country sometimes--the name arose in strategic thinking in referring to the six relatively straight sides of the border. the game was invented by the French, after all.

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:35 pm

I've given up for today as well and i thought it would be best to have paris as +1 as well

i'm finding problems with including all the factions as then we got departments with just 2 countries which seems poiintless thinking about merging them with another department but then people might be annoyed that other deartments have been regarded below a different one.

Are you including corsica or sardinia in yours (i forget which island is the French one) and if so how you going to get to them clasic dots over sea or something like airports or something completely new?

by **miniwally** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:40 pm

CRAP my nights work has gone wrong it's saved weird and won't let me open it says it's wrong type of file :'( all night :'(

by **theallnewbatman** on Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:50 pm

sorry to hear about your file. mine is pretty screwed too--i'll have to redo it i think. let's clear up the terminology: 92 departments as territories, 20 regions as countries. personally, i like the regions with only two departments. easy to take, easy to lose. kindof worth it, kindof not. i figure the two or three regions with only two departments should (probably) only be worth one army. but i'm thinking maybe two, since there are so many departments, you will need more armies than usual or the game will take absoloutely forever, especially one on one. would have to playtest it a couple of times before figuring that one out. i'd like to keep the map itself as realistic as possible. i'm even considering making ile-de-france on a side map that shows those regions so it can be played fully there too, and including the 6 other french-owned settlements in the carribean (i just have no idea where in continental france you'd connect them to--probably best to have several connections in bretagne, normandie, and the south coast). i think south and north of corsica (birthplace of napoleon) ought to be connected with dotted lines to Var and Alpes-Maritimes, respectively.

just off the top of my head, without making hard borders yet, some ballpark army numbers. the number of borders is counted as if île-de-france is one territory as a country.

# of territories, # of border-territories, # of territories that border the country, # of armies gained

Alsace - 2, 2, 3, 1
Aquitaine - 5, 5, 8, 3
Auvergne - 4, 4, 10, 3
Basse-Normandie - 5, 4, 7, 3
Bourgogne - 4, 4, 12, 3
Bretagne - 4, 2, 4, 2
Centre - 6, 6, 11, 7
Champagne-Ardenne - 4, 4, 7, 3
Corse - 2, 2, 2, 1
Franche-Compté - 4, 4, 6, 2
Haute-Normandie - 3, 3, 7, 2
Ile-de-France - 1, 1, 8, 1
Languedoc-Roussillon - 5, 5, 10, 3
Lorraine - 4, 3, 7, 2
Midi-Pyrénées - 8, 7, 11, 5
Nord-Pas-de-Calais - 2, 2, 2, 1
Pays-de-la-Loire - 5, 5, 10, 3
Picardie - 3, 3, 5, 2
Poitou-Charentes - 4, 4, 7, 3
Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur - 6, 6, 7, 5
Rhône-Alpes - 8, 7, 10, 7

by **miniwally** on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:06 am

theallnewbatman wrote:i'm even considering making ile-de-france on a side map that shows those regions so it can be played fully there

I did that and i think it looked quite good i put it just next to that island as that's where it fitted

by **theallnewbatman** on Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:52 am

BORDERS:
how are you going to indicate which borders touch on the ile-de-france borders? also, something i noticed that might be tricky as for how to effectively indicate borders--there are several territories that are only bordering a tiny bit, so small that i had to look up larger maps of the respective departments. for example, so far as i can tell, in PACA (Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur), Vaucluse and Var are touching at the same point that Alpes-de-Haute-Provence and Bouches-de-Rhone are touching, like the Four-Corners in the US. Marne-et-Loire touches Ille-et-Vilaine on the border of Bretagne. In Rhône-Alpes, Loire, Isère, and Ardeche touch--Rhone does not touch Ardeche--Drome does not touch Loire. I think that's the trickiest ones.

TERRAIN:
this is a pretty good map of the rivers, gives at least a good picture of some interesting stuff that could be going on with the border divisions.
http://www.cruise-in-france.com/images/ ... rivers.jpg
the area of the seine (from the marne to the loire) could make for some cool stuff going on. i actually like the idea of a country that has one or more territories separated from the rest by a river, so you'd actually have to go all the way around to the nearest crossing to retake full ownership of the country if someone took one of those separated territories. the wall of mountains across the southern coast makes for an interesting southern corridor possibility.
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-1901313 ... e=572&uid={91987A21-D569-4524-8C16-78787862BC3F}

COLONIES:
i was just thinking of how to do the 6 colonies. if you put each territory as unconnected to each other, except via the port territory on the mainland (except for one or two pairs of colonial territories which are connected), it would make it very hard to hold and could be worth more armies for that reason, probably 7. plus, again, it's more realistic so i like it for that reason.
maybe something like this:
1) The Caribbean: Morbihan-Guadeloupe-Guyane, Guayane-Martinique-Guadeloupe, Martinique-LoireAtlantique.
2) Polynésie Française: St.PierreEtMichelon-WallisEtFutuna-Hérault-NouvelleCalédonie.
3) Océan Indien: Mayotte-Var, LaRéunion-AlpesMaritimes, Mayotte-AlpesMaritimes, LaRéunion-Var.

by **miniwally** on Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:05 am

i wasn't incorporating colonies in mine might later when i can be botheed to start again and indicated ile-de-france borders cur outlines on main map which clearly indicate the bigger ile-de-france.

Well guess i better start again i found ile de france to be hardest area to do

EDIT: At least i'll be able to use your simpler map now

EDIT EDIT: ah your map doesn't work it highlight all of the areas of the departmentsd in one area rather than just one department

by **LED ZEPPELINER** on Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:25 am

for the borders that can not easily be seen behind the text, http://www.geographicguide.net/europe/maps-europe/maps/france-map.jpg

edit: and if nobody else wanted to or has begun, i would do it