Owenshooter derailing suggestions in Sugs and Bugs [Noted]

[FarangDemon]

Accused:

owenshooter

The accused are suspected of:

Trolling Sugs and Bugs
Derailing Topics

Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):

This poster consistently derails, personally attacks and otherwise clutters threads in Sugs and Bugs aimed at improving the site. Luckily only a small fraction of his posts are in Sugs and Bugs (189 out of 4320), but that is still enough to derail any good suggestion as simply an excuse to say "the black-jesus has spoken".

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=77216&p=1838500#p1838500

it is clear from your post that you don't know what spam is andyou dont' know what flaming is. i am stating facts. it is an online casual gaming site, thus missed turns are allowed for and worked into the system. i even posted the verbiage from the first page. and YOU ARE a busted multi, that is not a flame, that is a fact. bad suggestion, period. kind of like your "abolish babysitting" thread that landed with a resounding thud. all of your suggestions are specific to make YOUR LIFE easier, not to improve the site. i am now eagerly awaiting your next thread on "allow users to have more than one account", since that one account rule is a dumb rule you didn't like to follow either... the black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-hardattack, i'll pm you...

Let me put this in nice, clear, red ink for you. If you ever derail my suggestions or threads off topic and continue to spam as you are doing here, ever again, I will report you. It's against the rules to derail forum topics. Last warning.

how hilarious is it to have a busted multi quoting the rules to me, when he was unable to even follow the FIRST RULE OF CONQUER CLUB? the irony... you are not a mod, your warning (threat) means nothing and is not valid. now, onto your horrible idea!

again, this is an online casual gaming site and missed turns are allowed for as stated on the opening page of the site and within the rules. i have not derailed your thread, i have disagreed with you, and used the sites own words to do so. disagreeing and backing it up are not spamming or derailing a thread. it is a bad idea, because this is a casual gaming site!! people miss turns, life happens. and as far as stating that you are a busted multi and should know how to deal with players missing turns, because you have experience. that is a fact. any seasoned veteran knows to punish turn missers by taking away bonuses and limiting deferred armies they will receive. you can not handle that someone smarter than you disagrees with you and uses valid points and the sites own verbiage to prove you wrong. furthermore, all of your suggestions are to improve YOUR gaming experience, they are never to help out the entire site. this is a bad idea, just as your idea to eliminate babysitters was a bad idea. poorly thought out, poorly worded, and poorly researched. the black jesus has spoken...-0

p.s.-go report me for thinking your idea is bad.
p.p.s.-go to callouts for real time games or put up games where you state the
general guidelines for your match... seems like a solution. i'm sure someone will
play with you under your desired parameters.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=72461&start=45

This one was in response to some calculations I was recently asked by Sully800 to work out:

and we all know this site is all about you and keeping you happy...
didn't mean to interrupt your talking to yourself in this thread... sorry... back to triple
and quadruple posting for you!!-0

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=77227&p=1838429#p1838429

can someone try to explain any part of this thread to me? the black jesus is confused...-0

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=77200&p=1837818#p1837818

nice to see a mod serve up a tasty plate of spam with a side of laughter... this is just a wonderfully hilarious thread... the black jesus is amused...-0

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=67838&p=1836802#p1836802

This was a valid suggestion and all Owenshooter did was make fun of the poster, talk about how great he and his clan are and then drop his black-jesus quote. He didn't address any of the valid issues raised regarding clan forum management.

Oh fair enough. Even more important to give clan leaders mod powers over their forum then. At the moment, theres really no-one that can properly look after things...

what is there to be looked after ? do you even have a clan forum yet ? i don't know what sort of people you have in your clan or what goes on your forum (if you have one), but my clans forum is a very orderly place that is pretty much self policed by members as far as what is stickied and un-stickied...

actually, it is more orderly than any of the other usergroups i am in. i personally believe that has to do with the low number of members in the BpB, the select nature of our group, and the crotchety leanings of the older members (myself included)... everyone needs to relax on this issue. if it happens, it happens. if it doesn't, it doesn't...

many clans have survived a long time without anyone having these powers, and the rest of us can endure. at the end of the day, you can always fire up your own off site clan forum, as many of us have done, where mod powers can be flexed and abused like we are used to here... the black jesus has spoken...-0

Comments: This kind of nonsense may be appropriate for other areas of the forum, but sugs and bugs should be reserved for those seriously contributing to the site, not prolific trolls. I think a temporary ban from sugs and bugs would set a good example to the community.

[Jeff Hardy]

the irony

[obliterationX]

Unforgivable.

[Artimis]

Someone has already reported it and the Mods have already taken action: owenshooter forum abuse [Warned]

Can someone merge these threads please?

[Megadeth666]

Yes after being warned he is still doing it, but will the mods do anything?...Don't think so, maybe we should all just go buy a black jesus bobblehead

[dividedbyzero]

And yet starting topic after topic about farming is perfectly acceptable...even when the there's been several fixes and definitions from the big turtle himself...

[owenshooter]

the irony

yeah, kind of like this, huh jeff?

Would this not hurt 1v1 players more than it would hurt 8-man players? Or do you propose that if you win an 8-man you'd win 7 less points than usual? Forgive me if this was addressed, but it's at 4 pages now.

1 from each opponent, sorry for not making it clear

farangdemon, this is to stop inflation and has nothing to do with farming

FarangDemon,

Thanks for pointing out and correcting the flaw in my suggestion. I appreciate the time you spent doing it. I also appreciate that you separated your comments such that the first comment was simply a revision of my deflation suggestion, while the second comment was an additional suggestion on how to further improve the site while we're at it. Whether I personally agree with it or not, I respect the time you spent improving my suggestion and don't mind your subsequent brief remark.

Sincerely,

Jeff Hardy

farang, all you do is bitch and moan about point inflation and create countless threads about the same subject, which is already being dealt with. you make up stats to back your bogus claims up, such as 74% of all users want farming stopped, and the still yet unproven claim that rigged team games create a 100% win rate in 60 out of 60 games.
if anyone questions you and your made up numbers, and ask for proof, you ignore them. again, i know you are a teacher, so as my math teacher told me, "SHOW ME THE WORK." it doesn't exist. you are just upset that i make counter-points to all your bogus RESEARCH, DATA, POLL claims, and you can't back them up. you claim to have a majority of the site behind you, yet less than 3% of the community ever visits the forums... you are so far off base, it is ridiculous.

FD, you spam up the forums with countless threads on farming, attack alleged farmers in every thread possible, and are a general nuisance to anyone that is patient and appreciative of the efforst lack and his team have made to curtail farming. to top it off, you want the farming efforts to satisfy you and you alone, and that is not what CC is about. it is not about what you find satisfactory, which is YOUR solution. it is what lack and his team deem satisfactory for the entire community.

disagreeing with you is not derailing a thread. it is disagreeing with you. however, in this case, you can't send me to detention or call my parents or send me to the principals office... you did manage to run to C&A to further make yourself look even more ridiculous, so congrats on that...

rage on don quixote!!! you'll slay that dragon soon enough!!!!-0

[owenshooter]

how many times are you going to roll with that tired old joke pic, robinette jr? you are so in love with me, it is kind of creepy...-0

Yes after being warned he is still doing it, but will the mods do anything?...Don't think so, maybe we should all just go buy a black jesus bobblehead

[owenshooter]

farang... i hope you don't let your students plagiarize as badly as you did for this thread. over 3/4 of this post by you is plagiarized from a form already completed and a thread already settled!!! it is truly sad that you copy and pasted a thread that has already been moved and added a few quotes out of context. come on, do your own work... this is just sad... truly sad... and i hope people do go look at the threads you listed, they will see how obtuse you are, and how you only accept YOUR solution as THE solution. hell, i could point out countless threads on farming/harvesting that you spam up and attack members that disagree with you.. you are just sad...-0

[Megadeth666]

how many times are you going to roll with that tired old joke pic, robinette jr? you are so in love with me, it is kind of creepy...-0

Yes after being warned he is still doing it, but will the mods do anything?...Don't think so, maybe we should all just go buy a black jesus bobblehead

Maybe stop kissing the mods asses, and you will get banned for abusing the forums, get a life black dude

[FarangDemon]

I didn't realize you'd been banned before or that there had been other abuse allegations put forward already. Not surprising, though.

As for not responding to your posts with evidence or "showing you the work", the reason I do not respond to your posts is because you are a troll. I do not feed trolls. That is the advice mods give to all posters. It only encourages the trolls to write more and more and the suggestion thread gets derailed further and further. That's why I have most of the trolls on ignore already. In other words, I exercise restraint with responding to people to prevent the suggestion thread from getting further cluttered, derailed or turning into a flame war.

If your arguments are strong, you shouldn't need me to respond. You have won already. That is the difference between truly working for a solution and flame wars. You think all of CC is a flame war. It is not. I am not playing your flame game, entertaining and flattering you by sending witty barbs, and perhaps that is what bothers you the most.

I show plenty of work and prefer to let my arguments stand on their own if I think I am already winning the argument. I simply let the rest of the CC community read all the posts and decide for themselves. That is what people who want to solve problems do. You can post all you want, but it is quite clear that what you are posting is usually off-topic, a personal attack, self-congratulatory, or nothing, save for the "black-jesus has spoken" quote. And if it is not, then more power to you for having crafted a better argument and let the readers decide. You shouldn't need my personal 'kudo'.

Simply put, stay in flame wars, exercise restraint outside of flame wars or face the consequences of your actions.

BTW, if you do not understand the math behind margin of error calculations, you are on pretty shaky ground to make any inferences with regard to my statistical claim regarding margin of error. I even posted the link in that thread for those wishing to calculate it for themselves or use a website that does it for you.

I'd abide by the old adage: don't bring a troll to a math fight.

[owenshooter]

Simply put, stay in flame wars, exercise restraint outside of flame wars or face the consequences of your actions.

not a flame wars regular, but nice try. again, you equate disagreeing with you and your made up data/numbers as flaming. i hope people read the threads, and we both know how many forum regs already have you on ignore to avoid your bookishly long and jokishly illogical posts/threads... you want lack to deal with farming how YOU find it best, not how he and his team find it best. there are over 20,000 other members on this site that he has to think about, and not just keeping you happy or satisfying your don quixote crusade... they have made steps in the right direction, and you and your imaginary 74% of the site (which you claim backs you) should relax and let things shake out. perhaps next they deal with the freestyle farming certain high ranks exclusively do against teams of cooks, you never know. i do know one thing. you are borish and obtuse... learn how to give a little, and how to sit back and let their plan unfold...-0

[owenshooter]

I didn't realize you'd been banned before or that there had been other abuse allegations put forward already. Not surprising, though.

see, yet another made up fact. i wasn't banned for it... please, try to keep at least some semblance of facts within your posts. and what a shocker, someone from the world of academia not doing research before spouting off about something they know absolutely nothing about. you are tiresome... and again, still waiting for you to back up your claims that 74% of the site is behind you in agreement of your farming changes, and that certain teams are capable of winning 60 out of 60 games on certain settings. just keep making stuff up, someone has to believe it. i guess that is the mentality you get when you are used to standing in front of a bunch of kids and having them take your word for bible or they get sent to the office... grow up. i disagree with you, period. just like many others in your threads do. are you going to start threads for each of them?-0

[demonfork]

the irony

yeah, kind of like this, huh jeff?

Would this not hurt 1v1 players more than it would hurt 8-man players? Or do you propose that if you win an 8-man you'd win 7 less points than usual? Forgive me if this was addressed, but it's at 4 pages now.

1 from each opponent, sorry for not making it clear

farangdemon, this is to stop inflation and has nothing to do with farming

FarangDemon,

Thanks for pointing out and correcting the flaw in my suggestion. I appreciate the time you spent doing it. I also appreciate that you separated your comments such that the first comment was simply a revision of my deflation suggestion, while the second comment was an additional suggestion on how to further improve the site while we're at it. Whether I personally agree with it or not, I respect the time you spent improving my suggestion and don't mind your subsequent brief remark.

Sincerely,

Jeff Hardy

farang, all you do is bitch and moan about point inflation and create countless threads about the same subject, which is already being dealt with. you make up stats to back your bogus claims up, such as 74% of all users want farming stopped, and the still yet unproven claim that rigged team games create a 100% win rate in 60 out of 60 games.
if anyone questions you and your made up numbers, and ask for proof, you ignore them. again, i know you are a teacher, so as my math teacher told me, "SHOW ME THE WORK." it doesn't exist. you are just upset that i make counter-points to all your bogus RESEARCH, DATA, POLL claims, and you can't back them up. you claim to have a majority of the site behind you, yet less than 3% of the community ever visits the forums... you are so far off base, it is ridiculous.

FD, you spam up the forums with countless threads on farming, attack alleged farmers in every thread possible, and are a general nuisance to anyone that is patient and appreciative of the efforst lack and his team have made to curtail farming. to top it off, you want the farming efforts to satisfy you and you alone, and that is not what CC is about. it is not about what you find satisfactory, which is YOUR solution. it is what lack and his team deem satisfactory for the entire community.

disagreeing with you is not derailing a thread. it is disagreeing with you. however, in this case, you can't send me to detention or call my parents or send me to the principals office... you did manage to run to C&A to further make yourself look even more ridiculous, so congrats on that...

rage on don quixote!!! you'll slay that dragon soon enough!!!!-0

I agree 100%, if i see another one of the same point farming threads, authored by FD, In suggestions, I'm going to have to up the dose of my anti-psychotic's!

The only thing that helps keep my sanity is seeing posters like the black jesus battle the nonsense that oozes from the cracks of these witch hunts that are constantly being orchestrated by the obsessed FD.

[wcaclimbing]

Simply put, stay in flame wars, exercise restraint outside of flame wars or face the consequences of your actions.

not a flame wars regular, but nice try. again, you equate disagreeing with you and your made up data/numbers as flaming. i hope people read the threads, and we both know how many forum regs already have you on ignore to avoid your bookishly long and jokishly illogical posts/threads... you want lack to deal with farming how YOU find it best, not how he and his team find it best. there are over 20,000 other members on this site that he has to think about, and not just keeping you happy or satisfying your don quixote crusade... they have made steps in the right direction, and you and your imaginary 74% of the site (which you claim backs you) should relax and let things shake out. perhaps next they deal with the freestyle farming certain high ranks exclusively do against teams of cooks, you never know. i do know one thing. you are borish and obtuse... learn how to give a little, and how to sit back and let their plan unfold...-0

Should we accuse black jesus of derailing C&A threads also?
This topic is not about the possibility that Farang's posts are annoying.
This topic is not about farming.
This topic is not about Farang suggesting things he thinks will improve this site.
This topic is not posted in flame wars so it shouldn't have flames in it.

O, you are being accused of derailing threads. Might be a good idea to defend yourself instead of derailing this thread also.

[owenshooter]

I agree 100%, if i see another one of the same point farming threads, authored by FD, In suggestions, I'm going to have to up the dose of my anti-psychotic's!

The only thing that helps keep my sanity is seeing posters like the black jesus battle the nonsense that oozes from the cracks of these witch hunts that are constantly being orchestrated by the obsessed FD.

amen... QFT...

O, you are being accused of derailing threads. Might be a good idea to defend yourself instead of derailing this thread also.

he listed threads, go read them... i don't flame him (although HE just stooped to name calling recently), i don't make baseless accusations against his ideas, and i always use sound logic to make counterpoints... go read any of his threads, he is obsessed with one issue and one issue alone, and i simply disagree so i am trolling.-0

p.s.-FD, 19 votes in a poll of 40 does not make a 73% majority. trying to stretch that number into a sound sampling for a site of over 20K is just illogical and ridiculous... i am sure anyone would agree with that point... and pulling 60 wins out of it.pie's wins, declaring he can win 60 out of 60 does not jive, either. to win 60 out of 60, they must be IN A ROW...

[wcaclimbing]

he listed threads, go read them... i don't flame him (although just stooped to name calling recently), i don't make baseless accusations against his ideas, and i always use sound logic to make counterpoints... go read any of his threads, he is obsessed with one issue and one issue alone, and i simply disagree so i am trolling.-0

bolded the important part.

Trolling is the intentional attempt to cause chaos.

* Posting controversial or irrelevant messages or topics with the intent to provoke someone else into a pissing match, emotional response, flame fest or to generally disrupt the discussion, community or user is not cool. Prompting or provoking others to do that is just as bad.
* Don't provoke others into a flame fest, unless you're in flame wars.
* Don't ever post personal information of other users. Anywhere. Ever. Even if they already posted it somewhere else. This includes posting personal information about a CC user on another site, you will be held accountable here.
* Don't de-rail topics, don't spam them, don't flame them, don't bait them, don't drive a topic into a negative spiral.
* Don't flog a dead horse. If a discussion is over, it's over. Screaming louder, more or in a different place is not going to change the answer already given. If you think the answer was wrong, PM an Admin. If you think the admin is wrong, then this probably isn't the right community for you.
* If someone is trolling or baiting, don't fall for it. The best way to piss off a troll is to ignore them. They are just sad little children who don't get enough attention from their mothers and so are trying to get it from you. Ignore them and it will hurt more than any "zing" you might come back with.


There is little that is more annoying than a troll. This will get you removed from the CC community quicker than almost anything else.

Bolded the important parts there also.
Just saying, there are ways to support your argument without resorting to 'trolling' and baiting.

[owenshooter]

And yet starting topic after topic about farming is perfectly acceptable...even when the there's been several fixes and definitions from the big turtle himself...

yes, but if you go in there and disagree with him, you are trolling. if you ask him to show how 19 people voting yes is a majority, you are trolling. if you point out that taking 60 victories from a search of it.pie's games on a certain setting, is not it.pie winning 60 out of 60 games, you are trolling. he is not satisfied with lack's fixes, and continues to start countless threads about them. i am not the only person in his threads disagreeing or pointing out the flawed logic, i am just the easiest target. i think all of his threads should be merged into one big thread where he can post to his hearts content, as he often does (FD posts, 3-4 times in a row, on a regular basis, just to move posts out of the current page that prove him wrong.)... he is out of control and obsessed with farming. it is absolutely laughable. for him to tell lack exactly what to do to fix a problem they are currently working on, is ridiculous. changes have been made, and they will continue to be made. if he doesn't like them, he can go play on another site that doesn't allow harvesting...-0

[Night Strike]

I actually agree more with owen in this situation than farang, but owen would do well to get his point across in a slightly better manner (PM coming on that). A lot of people get tired of hearing rants about the same things, so many retorts come off as being repetitive and eventually trollish. It may serve everybody well to turn down the rhetoric a bit on this issues that bother them the post (farang and farming; owen and rules fairness).

This complaint has been noted.

[FarangDemon]

I actually agree more with owen in this situation than fabled, but owen would do well to get his point across in a slightly better manner (PM coming on that). A lot of people get tired of hearing rants about the same things, so many retorts come off as being repetitive and eventually trollish. It may serve everybody well to turn down the rhetoric a bit on this issues that bother them the post (fabled and farming; owen and rules fairness).

This complaint has been noted.

You agree with Owen? He does not read my posts yet claims my data is contrived. He rails against statistical inferences without any mathematical arguments of his own to back him up.

Evidence: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=77167&start=15

He claims the results of my poll were 19 out of 40. It was 29 out of 40. This is a blatant lie and clear trolling for a response.

Evidence: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=70978&p=1749217&hilit=solution#p1749217

He is now sending me PMs because I have denied him the gratification of a response to his trolling.

He is not bringing facts to the discussion or real arguments. I doubt he even cares about the issues at all. Rather, he skims suggestions, does not do his homework and randomly rails against anything contributors say. Why does he do this? Because he is a troll looking for a reaction and not interested in engaging in constructive discourse.

Letting him continue to do so without even a warning is your choice to make but does not send a good signal to the community.

[owenshooter]

let me quote the wiseman Incandenza, who i am sure will soon be in C&A alongside myself:

Why calculate scores and give people meaningless ranks when we could give them ranks that are a better indicator of relative skill?

I'm perplexed that so many high ranked, competitive players can't understand this.

That's an excellent question. Speaking as someone who would directly benefit from some of your proposed changes, let me try and break it down for ya:

1. You inflate, obfuscate, and otherwise commit vile injustices against data. Let's start with this statement, which has been repeated by you quite often in recent days:

I'm just trying to bring home the point that 73% of the CC community want the system changed so that score is more an indicator of skill than harvesting techniques.

First off, the 73% you cite comes from this thread, where indeed 73% of respondants voted yes to the poll. However, the poll question was this: "Have scoreboard display option to only show players who sometimes play peers (are not farmers)?" Not only is the question very vaguely worded, but it seems to me to imply that you are suggesting a different way to view/sort the scoreboard, rather than a full-blown revamp of the scoring system itself.

Furthermore, you extrapolate this 73% approval of an imprecisely-worded question about a topic seemingly different from your core contention across all of CC. As has been noted, there were 40 respondants to your poll. Statisticians have a term known as "small sample size", which would seem to be a perfect fit in this case. It seems disingenuous to map the opinions of a group of people that could fit comfortably in a schoolbus onto a population that would fill Madison Square Garden.

2. You claim that this isn't about you, when it clearly is about you. What you don't seem to understand is that, when someone makes a suggestion that would directly benefit him/her, people will naturally be suspicious.

3. You favor restricting the types of games that repeat customers can join. By suggesting that the map restrictions placed on new recruits be extended to cooks, you're trying to keep nearly 2000 repeat customers (many of them paying customers) from playing on roughly half of the maps on CC. You want to restrict these people from playing games because, in effect, you don't think they're good enough, all in the name of effecting "a just scoring system" that will really only affect page one of the scoreboard, if not just the top 100 or so.

4. You favor de facto rank segregation. If your suggestions were implemented, high ranks would stop playing low ranks immediately. Open team games would become a thing of the past. Even stripers wouldn't be able to get games against people over 2000 points, because they wouldn't fall within the 2/3rds threshold that's the centerpiece of your suggestion thread cited above.

5. You are uninterested in constructive criticism, instead defaming others like myself and owen as trolls. You even created a whole thread about owen. You don't seem to understand that people may disagree with you for reasons that have nothing to do with trolling or farming. Speaking only for myself, I disagree because I do not like restrictions on the types of games that people can play, I do not think that any scoring system can accurately convey the variety of game types available here, and I think that lack's time would be considerably better spent on other outstanding upgrades and features.

There's more, but that's about as much effort as I'm willing to expend.

FD, if I may make a suggestion, if you want to make a positive impact on CC, then there are far more rewarding and less inflammatory ways to do so. Mentor a cook or two. Visit the foundry and become a regular commenter. Volunteer for one of the many ad-hoc groups.

The fact is, you're clearly an excellent player and an intelligent bloke. But this crusade of yours makes you look shallow, petty, and manipulative of both people and data. I strongly suggest you set it aside, confident that you've made your point (many times over, in fact), and find another way to give back to this marvelous website.

In closing, I'd like to return to your quote that I put at the top of this post. The fact that so many highly-ranked, competitive players disagree with you should give you pause in your pursuit of this issue. In theory, players like myself, who don't farm and don't play freestyle, should be strongly in favor. That they aren't is an indication of how exactly you're going about this.

QFT!!!

[Incandenza]

let me quote the wiseman Incandenza, who i am sure will soon be in C&A alongside myself

Well, then, I'll be in good company.

[FarangDemon]

Owen, posting another outspoken player's personal opinion of me does nothing to defend the allegations that you are deliberately trolling.

If you want you can accuse me of being a troll or posting annoying opinions and inconvenient mathematical arguments, but please put it in a separate thread.

Otherwise this is just another sideshow, added to the long list of derailments by the black-jesus. If you cannot defend yourself by any other means, perhaps you should just remain silent. For that is what I believe the black-jesus would really like most of all.

Your insinuations about how awful a teacher I must be and the manner in which I intellectually bully my students around in the classroom has nothing to do with these allegations and is really sad. And you are whining about me having sarcastically referred to you as a 'genius'? You call this a new low that I have stooped to? Check yourself, my brother. For someone who dishes out personal attacks non-stop, you have awfully thin skin yourself.

If you wish to continue to flame me, please do so here instead of everywhere: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=77343&view=unread#unread

[owenshooter]

Owen, posting another outspoken player's personal opinion of me does nothing to defend the allegations that you are deliberately trolling.

If you want you can accuse me of being a troll or posting annoying opinions and inconvenient mathematical arguments, but please put it in a separate thread.

Otherwise this is just another sideshow, added to the long list of derailments by the black-jesus. If you cannot defend yourself by any other means, perhaps you should just remain silent. For that is what I believe the black-jesus would really like most of all.

Your insinuations about how awful a teacher I must be and the manner in which I intellectually bully my students around in the classroom has nothing to do with these allegations and is really sad. And you are whining about me having sarcastically referred to you as a 'genius'? You call this a new low that I have stooped to? Check yourself, my brother. For someone who dishes out personal attacks non-stop, you have awfully thin skin yourself.

i'm sorry, what did you say? i was reading this at the time you posted:

Why calculate scores and give people meaningless ranks when we could give them ranks that are a better indicator of relative skill?

I'm perplexed that so many high ranked, competitive players can't understand this.

That's an excellent question. Speaking as someone who would directly benefit from some of your proposed changes, let me try and break it down for ya:

1. You inflate, obfuscate, and otherwise commit vile injustices against data. Let's start with this statement, which has been repeated by you quite often in recent days:

I'm just trying to bring home the point that 73% of the CC community want the system changed so that score is more an indicator of skill than harvesting techniques.

First off, the 73% you cite comes from this thread, where indeed 73% of respondants voted yes to the poll. However, the poll question was this: "Have scoreboard display option to only show players who sometimes play peers (are not farmers)?" Not only is the question very vaguely worded, but it seems to me to imply that you are suggesting a different way to view/sort the scoreboard, rather than a full-blown revamp of the scoring system itself.

Furthermore, you extrapolate this 73% approval of an imprecisely-worded question about a topic seemingly different from your core contention across all of CC. As has been noted, there were 40 respondants to your poll. Statisticians have a term known as "small sample size", which would seem to be a perfect fit in this case. It seems disingenuous to map the opinions of a group of people that could fit comfortably in a schoolbus onto a population that would fill Madison Square Garden.

2. You claim that this isn't about you, when it clearly is about you. What you don't seem to understand is that, when someone makes a suggestion that would directly benefit him/her, people will naturally be suspicious.

3. You favor restricting the types of games that repeat customers can join. By suggesting that the map restrictions placed on new recruits be extended to cooks, you're trying to keep nearly 2000 repeat customers (many of them paying customers) from playing on roughly half of the maps on CC. You want to restrict these people from playing games because, in effect, you don't think they're good enough, all in the name of effecting "a just scoring system" that will really only affect page one of the scoreboard, if not just the top 100 or so.

4. You favor de facto rank segregation. If your suggestions were implemented, high ranks would stop playing low ranks immediately. Open team games would become a thing of the past. Even stripers wouldn't be able to get games against people over 2000 points, because they wouldn't fall within the 2/3rds threshold that's the centerpiece of your suggestion thread cited above.

5. You are uninterested in constructive criticism, instead defaming others like myself and owen as trolls. You even created a whole thread about owen. You don't seem to understand that people may disagree with you for reasons that have nothing to do with trolling or farming. Speaking only for myself, I disagree because I do not like restrictions on the types of games that people can play, I do not think that any scoring system can accurately convey the variety of game types available here, and I think that lack's time would be considerably better spent on other outstanding upgrades and features.

There's more, but that's about as much effort as I'm willing to expend.

FD, if I may make a suggestion, if you want to make a positive impact on CC, then there are far more rewarding and less inflammatory ways to do so. Mentor a cook or two. Visit the foundry and become a regular commenter. Volunteer for one of the many ad-hoc groups.

The fact is, you're clearly an excellent player and an intelligent bloke. But this crusade of yours makes you look shallow, petty, and manipulative of both people and data. I strongly suggest you set it aside, confident that you've made your point (many times over, in fact), and find another way to give back to this marvelous website.

In closing, I'd like to return to your quote that I put at the top of this post. The fact that so many highly-ranked, competitive players disagree with you should give you pause in your pursuit of this issue. In theory, players like myself, who don't farm and don't play freestyle, should be strongly in favor. That they aren't is an indication of how exactly you're going about this.

every single time i read this, i jump on top of the coffee table in front of my couch and shout out, "oh captain, my captain!" incandenza has spoken so eloquently and moved my soul... sigh...-0

[owenshooter]

is this locked yet or do i have to deal with his non-stop attacks and wild accusations? perhaps he should be encouraged to open another C&A thread about me, instead of beating this dead horse into the ground ...
i was under the impression that once i was handed out my more than fair punishment, that he would be
satisfied. guess i was wrong. rant, rant, rant, toss in a few flames, that is all i see now. lock 'er down!!!
this baby is over!!-0

p.s.-who is this black jesus you keep refering too? black history month and still i can't escape the racism
within this community... i am truly saddened and disgusted...