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Re: Bigotry on CC [Pg20 Summary, 28 Final Middle Grounds]

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 27, 2009 2:31 pm

After discussing things with the other Admins and Moderators, and taking into account their opinions as well, I hope to combine both their thoughts and the community's thoughts, outlined in this topic, in the the Official Middle Ground.

The Official Middle Ground:

The Community Guidelines have been altered and added to, to reflect the work that has been done. Revisions---I've added spoilers to hide unchanged information, but included the unchanged information so you can see the context of the new changes in the overall post.

What was added: Minor vs Major/Severe Offenses, added language to Bigotry area, cleaned up Vacation Flavor Area.

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Flames are posts or parts of posts which, directly or indirectly, insult, belittle, bully, name-call, or otherwise attack another user is not allowed.

  • In no circumstances is bigotry allowed.
    • Bigotry includes racism, aggressive homophobia, religion bashing or wishing violence on any minority group.
    • Bigotry takes into account historic events, emotional baggage and generally accepted associations with a term, phrase or intent - posting "White Power" in a thread has a history and is bigoted, posting "Green Power" makes you an environmentalist.
  • It doesn't matter if another user rubs you the wrong way, that's not an excuse to flame or attack them.
  • Attacking a person instead of the user is NOT ok - it's all fun and games until it becomes personal.
    • Using a person's real information, picture, address, blog or anything else "personal" is NOT ok.
  • Yes, we are liberal on course language, but this does not mean cyber-bullying or Bigotry is acceptable anywhere. You will be removed from the community for cyber-bullying or bigotry.

Flaming will get your post edited/deleted and will get you a warning from a mod. Cyber-bullying and bigotry will be removed, and a mod will probably come down on you like a ton of bricks.

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Rule Enforcement

For users who break the above Guidelines, as they say, "there will be consequences and repercussions." The Mods and Admins will always take into account when past offenses occurred, and the severity of the current offense and any past offenses, in addition to the intent of the offense.

There are essentially Two Levels of Offense in Conquer Club: Minor and Major/Severe.

  • Minor Offenses are those that are more annoying than hurtful with intent. This includes but is not limited to: Spamming, Off Topicing, Forms of Flaming/Trolling, Necro-bumping, Oversized Signature, Avatar Abuse, etc.
      Minor Offenses follow the traditional vacation escalation scale of:
    • Warning, 24 Hour Vacation, 72 Hour Vacation, One Week or One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
  • Major/Severe Offenses are those that are more than just annoying, but are intentionally hurtful to a user, group of users, or the community in general. This includes but is not limited to: Cyber-bullying/Harassment, Bigotry, **Point Dumping** etc.
      Major/Severe Offenses follow a shortened vacation escalation scale of:
    • Warning, One Month Vacation, Permanent Vacation.
    **Note: Due to the nature of Point Dumping having an impact of the integrity of the game, your account will be suspended first until the issue can be resolved.**


The general order of Rule Enforcement is as follows:

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  • Forum Vacation Flavors

    During a Forum Vacation a user cannot post in the Forums and cannot access their Inbox, but they can still play games. Forum Vacations will be used when Warnings are not heeded. The range of Forum Vacations you may receive depends on if your infraction was a Minor or a Major/Severe offense. Flavors of Vacation you may receive:

    • 24 Hour
      • For users who have yet to learn. Calm down, cool it, regroup, be happy.
    • 72 Hours & 1 Week
      • For users who have yet to learn. Time away does the mind and heart some good.
    • 1 Month
      • For users who have yet to learn. More time for reflection.
    • Permanent Forum Vacation
      • For users who never learned from their previous offense actions. The ultimate zen.
  • Permanent Website Ban
    • Bans are the most severe of the Rule Enforcement methods. These are not vacations you come back from: No forums, no games, no Conquer Club.
    • Used with Admin discretion, based on the severity of the offense and past history.

  • Miscellaneous Cases

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    I hope we have reached an acceptable and enforceable end. Thanks for all your work, everyone. Well done. :)


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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby thegreekdog on Wed May 27, 2009 2:52 pm

    Andy - one minor point and totally nitpicking...

    It should be "coarse language" not "course language"

    Otherwise, looks very awesome to me.
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 27, 2009 2:54 pm

    Forgive me! I thought I got all my spelling errors. :)


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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby owenator on Wed May 27, 2009 4:15 pm

    AndyDufresne wrote:Forgive me! I thought I got all my spelling errors. :)


    --Andy


    Superb job Andy. Thanks for all your hard work, but most of all...the execution of it. =D>
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby MrBenn on Wed May 27, 2009 5:09 pm

    Andy, you have done a fantastic job of guiding discussion, and leading by example =D>
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby thelastpatriot on Wed May 27, 2009 5:18 pm

    =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
    Nice job Andy
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby whitestazn88 on Wed May 27, 2009 6:39 pm

    great work andy, and to everyone who participated in the discussion
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 27, 2009 6:40 pm

    It was more everyone else than me. You all provided the discussion, issues, points, and middle grounds---I just organized it and tried to keep it on track.


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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby neanderpaul14 on Wed May 27, 2009 6:45 pm

    Ummmm......What exactly is Necro-bumping??
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 27, 2009 6:47 pm

    Check out the Community Guideline, under Forum Guidelines-->Spam:
    Necrobumping (bringing dead threads back to life) if no new meaningful content is being added.


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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby sailorseal on Wed May 27, 2009 6:50 pm

    Can the word "agressive" be removed before homophobia.
    I have seen posted like
    Example:
    "Hey you are so gay"
    ^That is currently acceptable^
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby neanderpaul14 on Wed May 27, 2009 6:55 pm

    AndyDufresne wrote:Check out the Community Guideline, under Forum Guidelines-->Spam:
    Necrobumping (bringing dead threads back to life) if no new meaningful content is being added.


    --Andy



    TY (please note: this was not a necro-bump) ;)
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby Timminz on Wed May 27, 2009 6:57 pm

    sailorseal wrote:Can the word "agressive" be removed before homophobia.

    I agree.
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 27, 2009 7:03 pm

    I've removed it---let me know if I've missed anything. On a side note slightly, I am glad we got this finished in roughly a weeks time, because a young friend of mine has just went to the hospital for a heartattack, which means I might be less active in the next coming days.

    But once again, thanks everyone for all their work. Hopefully we can do this all again sometime, but lets not make it soon. Jiminski, give me warning next time you start something. :)


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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby jbrettlip on Wed May 27, 2009 8:11 pm

    Hope your friend is ok. I just lost a 43 yr old coworker to a heart attack. I am probably next (bad things happen in 3's and another buddy of mine passed this month too.)

    Thanks for the effort. You are earning every banana Lack is paying you. You should link this post to Twill and show him how responsible adults do not go on power trips and how users can have valid opinions and insights.
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby sailorseal on Wed May 27, 2009 8:13 pm

    Great! Great! Great!
    :D
    Thanks Andy
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby pimpdave on Wed May 27, 2009 8:27 pm

    Okay everyone, we're still allowed to call each other retarded or stupid furries.
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby wcaclimbing on Wed May 27, 2009 10:50 pm

    I'm thinking the jump from Warning straight to a one month ban is a bit extreme... Shouldn't there be at least something in between there?
    I mean, I understand that you guys want harsher punishment for bigotry, but it seems like kicking a person out for an entire month after just one warning is a bit extreme.
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby whitestazn88 on Thu May 28, 2009 12:51 am

    wcaclimbing wrote:I'm thinking the jump from Warning straight to a one month ban is a bit extreme... Shouldn't there be at least something in between there?
    I mean, I understand that you guys want harsher punishment for bigotry, but it seems like kicking a person out for an entire month after just one warning is a bit extreme.


    well we had a discussion about it for a good little bit... sorry you missed out
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby mpjh on Thu May 28, 2009 12:58 am

    pimpdave wrote:Okay everyone, we're still allowed to call each other retarded or stupid furries.


    You can call yourself anything you want. Just don't call me Al.
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby neanderpaul14 on Thu May 28, 2009 1:48 am

    pimpdave wrote:Okay everyone, we're still allowed to call each other retarded or stupid furries.



    Stupid furry retard..... :P :P :P
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby Woodruff on Thu May 28, 2009 4:02 am

    wcaclimbing wrote:I'm thinking the jump from Warning straight to a one month ban is a bit extreme... Shouldn't there be at least something in between there?
    I mean, I understand that you guys want harsher punishment for bigotry, but it seems like kicking a person out for an entire month after just one warning is a bit extreme.


    I can understand what you're saying...but if they've been warned, do they really have any excuse for continued bad behavior? I mean...the warning is really just to make CERTAIN that you're aware of the rules. Once you know the rules...
    ...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby xelabale on Thu May 28, 2009 4:11 am

    Thanks Andy,

    =D> =D>

    Great solutions, great conversation. Now about those CC dice.........
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby JoshyBoy on Thu May 28, 2009 4:23 am

    Well done Andy!

    =D>

    Thank goodness. This topic looks like it might be nearing an end!
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    Re: Bigotry on CC [Page 31 Official Changes]

    Postby owenshooter on Thu May 28, 2009 6:56 am

    wcaclimbing wrote:I'm thinking the jump from Warning straight to a one month ban is a bit extreme... Shouldn't there be at least something in between there?
    I mean, I understand that you guys want harsher punishment for bigotry, but it seems like kicking a person out for an entire month after just one warning is a bit extreme.

    i think it's spot on. they will receive a definitive warning and they will then know that continued activity has a very stiff penalty. what i really like is the fact that clear cut cases/extreme cases can automatically hit the ban status. which means, members that have already been warned for bigotry and have had continued bigoted behaviour may finally learn their lesson. everyone in the thread did a great job helping out and pushing this to be done. it came along way from "foe them and move on" and a very indifferent portion team CC that showed up, to andy stepping in and showing us why lack put him in the position he did. great job. andy gains mega respect from me for this.
    JoshyBoy wrote:Well done Andy!
    =D>
    Thank goodness. This topic looks like it might be nearing an end!

    you for one at least learned something, Jboy... you should hope it continues, so your knowledge
    of the world outside of your dorm room may continue :D :D :D ... again, great resolution... and
    yes, even Jboy helped it reach it's resolution...-0
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