Opinions on Gay Marriage

[Timminz]

Why is it that the people who are the most against allowing rights to gays, are the same people who use a 2000 year-old book to tell them how to be good people?

[PopeBenXVI]

Why is it that the people who are the most against allowing rights to gays, are the same people who use a 2000 year-old book to tell them how to be good people?

The age of any given book has no relevance on the quality of it's content. What is your moral compass on being good?

[sailorseal]

Well good thing North Dakota is a conservative state. That way I know that we will never allow gay marriage.

Sorry but when my generation steps to power it will be legalized nation wide, possibly earlier, studies have proven this

[Timminz]

What is your moral compass on being good?

What I thought to be Common human decency.

Do you honestly believe that if you didn't follow the bible that you wouldn't know how to be a good person? You don't have a natural moral compass?

[SultanOfSurreal]

The age of any given book has no relevance on the quality of it's content.

yes it does, when the book purports to be an explanation of the natural world

[sailorseal]

The age of any given book has no relevance on the quality of it's content.

yes it does, when the book purports to be an explanation of the natural world

In the case of this book, both the age and the quality are towards the negative side

[PopeBenXVI]

What is your moral compass on being good?

What I thought to be Common human decency.

Do you honestly believe that if you didn't follow the bible that you wouldn't know how to be a good person? You don't have a natural moral compass?

What do you consider common human decency? When you refer to your natural moral compass do you mean your conscience? Just want to understand exactly where you get your moral compass from as some people's definition is different than others and I don't want to put words in your mouth as to your source until I am sure I understand.

I am not saying if you don't follow the Bible you can't be a good person

[sailorseal]

I would like to add for the viewing of all anti-gay marriage readers:

Gays are not looking to enter your church and change your ideas, they want as little to do with you as you do with them. They are looking to be able to sit by their partner on his/her death bed, to be protected by the law, to be given basic rights that straight people seem to inherit because they can procreate.

[b.k. barunt]

The age of any given book has no relevance on the quality of it's content.

yes it does, when the book purports to be an explanation of the natural world

So we're so much smarter now right? You obviously know little of ancient history. The cultures of Babylon and Egypt knew more than we do now about the natural world. Babylon knew of all nine planets in the Solar System and Egypt constructed edifices that surpassed any of ours today, using a fraction of the technology we have access to.

Contrary to evolutionary theory, man has devolved, not evolved. We devolved from a culture that studied the stars to a gaggle of idiots who were convinced the world was flat in no time at all. Now we have posturing fools like yourself braying about the brave new world and poo pooing the idea that our past holds any secrets worth knowing.


Honibaz

[Timminz]

I am not saying if you don't follow the Bible you can't be a good person

So, I could be a good person, if I did everything that you think the bible says, but not necessarily because it was in the bible? Or is it possible, in your opinion, for someone to go against some things in the bible, and still be a good person?

[SultanOfSurreal]

So we're so much smarter now right? You obviously know little of ancient history. The cultures of Babylon and Egypt knew more than we do now about the natural world.

oh yes i forgot about egypt's renowned knowledge of genetic engineering, mass production, space travel, circuit and electricity usage, computer technology, astrophysics, quantum physics, geology, chemistry, theoretical mathematics, high-speed transportation, guns, and robots

they knew so much more than us

Babylon knew of all nine planets in the Solar System and Egypt constructed edifices that surpassed any of ours today, using a fraction of the technology we have access to.

[b.k. barunt]

I would like to add for the viewing of all anti-gay marriage readers:

Gays are not looking to enter your church and change your ideas, they want as little to do with you as you do with them. They are looking to be able to sit by their partner on his/her death bed, to be protected by the law, to be given basic rights that straight people seem to inherit because they can procreate.

Absolute bullshit, but considering the source will certainly shorten my rant. There is a great deal of time and energy spent on the part of the gayboys to change our ideas. They most definitely want to enter our churches and any other venue where they have been previously denied access. The whole gay marriage thing is not about tax breaks or "sitting by their partner on their deathbed" (please, the histrionics, please), but it is a major attempt to legitimize the homosexual lifestyle.

They do not "want as little to do with you as you do with them" - do you even think about what you're saying before you just blat it out? If i, as a musician, refuse to do a gay wedding, i can be sued just like the photographers who were fined a few thousand for doing the same. They want to be accepted as a "normal" part of everyday life, and anyone who will not accept them in this way will be targeted as a "homophobic" racist.


Honibaz

[SultanOfSurreal]

The whole gay marriage thing is not about tax breaks or "sitting by their partner on their deathbed" (please, the histrionics, please)

i would so love to see your reaction if you were denied the power of attorney and visitation rights to your wife on her death bed

(just kidding, i know you're far too vile in every sense of the word to attract another human being in the first place)

[Timminz]

If i, as a musician, refuse to do a gay wedding, i can be sued just like the photographers who were fined a few thousand for doing the same. They want to be accepted as a "normal" part of everyday life, and anyone who will not accept them in this way will be targeted as a "homophobic"

What if you, as a musician, refused to do bar mitzvahs?

And, it IS part of normal everyday life. Some people are gay. Learn to cope.

[PopeBenXVI]

I am not saying if you don't follow the Bible you can't be a good person

So, I could be a good person, if I did everything that you think the bible says, but not necessarily because it was in the bible? Or is it possible, in your opinion, for someone to go against some things in the bible, and still be a good person?

You didn't answer any of my questions?

What do you consider common human decency? When you refer to your natural moral compass do you mean your conscience? Just want to understand exactly where you get your moral compass from as some people's definition is different than others and I don't want to put words in your mouth as to your source until I am sure I understand.

[Simon Viavant]

The age of any given book has no relevance on the quality of it's content.

yes it does, when the book purports to be an explanation of the natural world

So we're so much smarter now right? You obviously know little of ancient history. The cultures of Babylon and Egypt knew more than we do now about the natural world. Babylon knew of all nine planets in the Solar System and Egypt constructed edifices that surpassed any of ours today, using a fraction of the technology we have access to.

Contrary to evolutionary theory, man has devolved, not evolved. We devolved from a culture that studied the stars to a gaggle of idiots who were convinced the world was flat in no time at all. Now we have posturing fools like yourself braying about the brave new world and poo pooing the idea that our past holds any secrets worth knowing.


Honibaz

While we're on the subject, both of those abovementioned cultures got to the first 4-5 digits of pi, while the bible estimates it as 3.
Real advanced.

[Simon Viavant]

Why the f*ck did 23 people vote "no problem with it morally but it should be outlawed"?

[got tonkaed]

Why the f*ck did 23 people vote "no problem with it morally but it should be outlawed"?

probably because they have a problem with it morally but not morraly.

[b.k. barunt]

While we're on the subject, both of those abovementioned cultures got to the first 4-5 digits of pi, while the bible estimates it as 3.
Real advanced.

Wtf are you babbling about simon? Surprise me and show me that you actually know what you're talking about for a change - where in the Bible does it estimate pi?


Honibaz

[b.k. barunt]

If i, as a musician, refuse to do a gay wedding, i can be sued just like the photographers who were fined a few thousand for doing the same. They want to be accepted as a "normal" part of everyday life, and anyone who will not accept them in this way will be targeted as a "homophobic"

What if you, as a musician, refused to do bar mitzvahs?

And, it IS part of normal everyday life. Some people are gay. Learn to cope.

I've refused to do Catholic weddings, as i find Catholicism and its various rites repugnant. No Catholic has ever sued me, and i've never heard of anyone being sued for refusing to play at or photograph a wedding until the 2 dykes.

As far as being a part of "normal" life, we'll have to agree to disagree on that. As far as coping i do just fine, and will continue to give cerealsultan fuel for his hissyfits.


Honibaz

[Simon Viavant]

While we're on the subject, both of those abovementioned cultures got to the first 4-5 digits of pi, while the bible estimates it as 3.
Real advanced.

Wtf are you babbling about simon? Surprise me and show me that you actually know what you're talking about for a change - where in the Bible does it estimate pi?


Honibaz

"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26"
It's referring to a bowl in Solomon's temple.

[b.k. barunt]

While we're on the subject, both of those abovementioned cultures got to the first 4-5 digits of pi, while the bible estimates it as 3.
Real advanced.

Wtf are you babbling about simon? Surprise me and show me that you actually know what you're talking about for a change - where in the Bible does it estimate pi?


Honibaz

"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26"
It's referring to a bowl in Solomon's temple.

So we now have the measurements for a bowl in Solomon's temple. Still waiting for the pi estimation. Can you explain how you made that quantum leap, or are you just repeating something someone told you?


Honibaz

[PopeBenXVI]

The age of any given book has no relevance on the quality of it's content.

yes it does, when the book purports to be an explanation of the natural world

So we're so much smarter now right? You obviously know little of ancient history. The cultures of Babylon and Egypt knew more than we do now about the natural world. Babylon knew of all nine planets in the Solar System and Egypt constructed edifices that surpassed any of ours today, using a fraction of the technology we have access to.

Contrary to evolutionary theory, man has devolved, not evolved. We devolved from a culture that studied the stars to a gaggle of idiots who were convinced the world was flat in no time at all. Now we have posturing fools like yourself braying about the brave new world and poo pooing the idea that our past holds any secrets worth knowing.


Honibaz

While we're on the subject, both of those abovementioned cultures got to the first 4-5 digits of pi, while the bible estimates it as 3.
Real advanced.

Never mind that the Bible was not put together for the purpose of explaining the sum of all human mathematical knowledge at that time in the world. I don't know of any 1 book that does that today.

[captain.crazy]

While we're on the subject, both of those abovementioned cultures got to the first 4-5 digits of pi, while the bible estimates it as 3.
Real advanced.

Wtf are you babbling about simon? Surprise me and show me that you actually know what you're talking about for a change - where in the Bible does it estimate pi?


Honibaz

"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26"
It's referring to a bowl in Solomon's temple.

So we now have the measurements for a bowl in Solomon's temple. Still waiting for the pi estimation. Can you explain how you made that quantum leap, or are you just repeating something someone told you?


Honibaz

I don't see it either. I see measurements for the bowel, not how the bowl was made. Further, since we are talking about Egypt, I think that it would make good sence to believe that since the Hebrews were residents, then slaves there for the purpose of building EVERYTHING, that they would have shared that knowledge.

[PLAYER57832]

So first you blamed God for miscarriages

Blame God? What I said is that miscarriages are part of the system that God created. It is you that wants to claim differently. Perhaps you feel, as they did in years past that it is the woman's "fault" when they occur? Because if you say it is not due to God, then what IS the cause?

You will NEVER know the pain that comes from losing a child, the anger, the despair, the guilt. The anger because NO ONE wants to experience the negative sides of God's system. We want the good things, but to forget that the bad things are here for a purpose as well. The guilt, because no matter how much you know it WAS a fully natural occurance, there is still always a segmant of doubt. So, yes, when you want to trot out your high horse and claim all these sanctified thoughts about the wonders of childbirth and the cruelty of parents.. you do NOT know of what you speak. And, before you pride yourself in "well, if guilt will save one child" garbage, I am NOT talking about abortions. I am talking about miscarriages.

and now you are comparing what I say to the KKK???? Lovely.....

As for the KKK, when you voice words that are the same, yes. If the similarity makes you uncomfortable, then perhaps it is because your position is not as solid as you thought. You want to claim that homosexuality is "differant", that somehow people practicing that lifestyle have fewer rights than those who do not. This is exactly the argument that was voiced in the past about various races. If you feel that is a justified position, then argue it, but don't deny the similarity.

There is more than one reason to fight the Homosexual lifestyle. Our Priests in jail is only 1 of many. The fact that Catholic Priests were hunted down and murdered in England for 200+ years or the way Catholic immigrants were poorly treated for years in this country has no baring on what to do about this topic.

I also disagree that you think children will benefit. It is harmful for children to be in a same sex parental situation.

The best situation for a child is to be raised by a loving mother and father who live together happily. You won't find many people who disagree on that. Even most homosexual parents will agree (if pressed) that it would be better for the children to have both a mother and a father.

Now for reality. The reality is that many kids are raised successfully in other circumstances. Many children born to 2 parents are hardly in what anyone would call "ideal" situations. Some are so terrible that the kids are removed and placed in foster care. Sometimes that is a, well, not wonderful thing, but a good thing for the kids. A local Pastor and his wife, people I am priviliaged to call friends, have fostered and/or adopted too many kids to count and no one would say anything but that the kids who land there are fortunate, in the end. If we lived in an ideal world, every child would find themselves in such a home.

Instead, some kids are shuffled from place to place (I won't use the word "home", because it really does not apply). Some kids never really get the love they deserve. Some kids, particularly adolescents and teens, even wind up in juvenile detention centers simply because there is no other place to house them. THOSE things are crule, heartless. Are you seriously going to suggest that being raised by a loving homosexual couple is really better than those options?

In truth, many kids are raised very poorly by dual parents who happen to live together. Many other kids are raised successfully, with love, to be caring, responsible, respectful adults by single parents. Some are raised by homosexual parents.
What matters is not the number of adults, what happens behind closed doors in their bedrooms or even seeing the casual contact that most caring couples exhibit in public. What matters is that the kids are raised with love and guidance.

I am also not sure what you mean when you say deny " basic humanity" what is your definition of the term and what is the basis for it?

Basic humanity means that someone who has lived with and been devoted to another person for most of their adult lives can sit by their bedside as they die, offer solace and make the important decisions that need to be made when the person themselves can no longer do so, without having to worry about some distant relatives that may or may not have had much contact with the person interfering legally.

Basic humanity means that if a family goes on a trip, and something terrible happens, both parents can make emergency medical decisions on that child's care and neither has to fear losing custody of the child they have loved and cared for from birth becuase that state, that jurisdiction or even that hospital, doctor does not wish to recognize same sex partnerships as "legitimate" relationships, "true" parents.

My basis: Mathew 22: 37-40 More specifically, Mathew 22: 39.

Or is it your position that these people are so devoid of humanity that they don't deserve to be treated thus?