Moderator: Community Team
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
With what we've done, the horses will still give off too much CO2.Night Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
YawnNight Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
So, sandals made from leaves from last autumn then?Strife wrote:With what we've done, the horses will still give off too much CO2.Night Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
stfujoecoolfrog wrote:YawnNight Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
Because of Bush the USA is 10 years behind Europe on cutting emissions, you have made next to no effort up to now so stop whining and exagerating the effects.
Damn joe got burned.bedub1 wrote:stfujoecoolfrog wrote:YawnNight Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
Because of Bush the USA is 10 years behind Europe on cutting emissions, you have made next to no effort up to now so stop whining and exagerating the effects.
Yes thats about the strength of your argument.......and intelect !bedub1 wrote:stfujoecoolfrog wrote:YawnNight Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
Because of Bush the USA is 10 years behind Europe on cutting emissions, you have made next to no effort up to now so stop whining and exagerating the effects.
Aw, poor baby.bedub1 wrote:stfujoecoolfrog wrote:YawnNight Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
Because of Bush the USA is 10 years behind Europe on cutting emissions, you have made next to no effort up to now so stop whining and exagerating the effects.
Horrible way of living! Please, kill me now! Cleaner air and water? No way! We can't have that!GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:Oh my....soon we'll be driving electric cars, using electricity made from solar, wind and nuclear power. Cleaner air and water.
Boy, this really sucks!
KraphtOne wrote:when you sign up a new account one of the check boxes should be "do you want to foe colton24 (it is highly recommended) "
Perhaps you should read the bill, or at least part of the bill, or at least articles on the bill. There is a rather big difference between "cutting emissions" and this bill.joecoolfrog wrote:YawnNight Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
Because of Bush the USA is 10 years behind Europe on cutting emissions, you have made next to no effort up to now so stop whining and exagerating the effects.

Actually, the CBO estimates that Waxman-Markey will make give our poorer around $70 a month more, as I recall (too rushed to get supporting info). It also is expected to cost our rich a whopping $240 per month.thegreekdog wrote:Perhaps you should read the bill, or at least part of the bill, or at least articles on the bill. There is a rather big difference between "cutting emissions" and this bill.joecoolfrog wrote:YawnNight Strike wrote:You're right, we have to pull out the horses and buggies and light the candles to cut our carbon dioxide output.joecoolfrog wrote:Well its a start but it obviously doesn't go far enough.
Because of Bush the USA is 10 years behind Europe on cutting emissions, you have made next to no effort up to now so stop whining and exagerating the effects.
I heard an interview with the governor of Virginia who indicated that he supports this bill because it will (to paraphrase) "Show India and China that the United States is serious about climate change, which will ensure that these countries will pass similar laws in their countries." In other words, he's making the argument that if the US does this, then China and India will too. Is that a little bit ridiculous? Do you not understand the cost of this bill to even the poorest Americans? Do you not understand that companies will move even more industry overseas?
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
I have a couple of related questions:spurgistan wrote:Actually, the CBO estimates that Waxman-Markey will make give our poorer around $70 a month more, as I recall (too rushed to get supporting info). It also is expected to cost our rich a whopping $240 per month.
Poor = No Moneythegreekdog wrote:(1) Can you please define "poorer?"
(2) Similarly, can you please define "rich?"
there are several studies that estimate the actual cost could run as high as $1000/year for every family.
This bill has nothing to do with cleaner energy. Nothing to do with saving the planet. Like everything else associated with global warming, this is about income redistribution. They're going to increase the energy bills of most people in the country. But then they'll send money to the poor to offset their increase.
the House passed the biggest tax in United States history.
Warren Buffett saying the bill is “a huge tax, and there's no sense calling it anything else … and it's a fairly regressive tax.”
With the bill, Obama delivers on his promise to radical leftists last year to ‘fight global warming’ by driving entire businesses into bankruptcy.
The 1,200-plus page Waxman-Markey climate change legislation is nothing more than an energy tax in disguise that by 2035 will raise:
•Gasoline prices by 58 percent
•Natural gas prices by 55 percent
•Home heating oil by 56 percent
•Worst of all, electricity prices by 90 percent
In the year 2035 alone, the cost is $4,609. And the costs per family for the whole energy tax aggregated from 2012 to 2035 are $71,493.
But on second thought, cap and trade is much more than that.
It Kills Jobs: Over the 2012-2035 timeline, job losses average over 1.1 million. By 2035, a projected 2.5 million jobs are lost below the baseline (without a cap and trade bill). Particularly hard-hit are sectors of the economy that are very energy-intensive: Manufacturers, farmers, construction, machinery, electrical equipment and appliances, transportation, textiles, paper products, chemicals, plastics and rubbers, and retail trade would face staggering employment losses as a result of Waxman-Markey. It’s worth noting the job losses come after accounting for the green jobs policymakers are so adamant about creating. But don’t worry, because the architects of the bill built in unemployment insurance; too bad it will only help 1.5% of those losing their jobs from the bill.
It Destroys Our Economy: Just about everything we do and produce uses energy… The average Gross Domestic Product (GDP) lost is $393 billion, hitting a high of $662 billion in 2035. From 2012-2035, the accumulated GDP lost is $9.4 trillion. The negative economic impacts accumulate, and the national debt is no exception. The increase in family-of-four debt, solely because of Waxman-Markey, hits an almost unbelievable $114,915 by 2035.
It Provides Red Meat for Lobbyists: Businesses, knowing very well this would impose a severe cost on their bottom line, sent their lobbyists to Washington to protect them. And it worked. Most of the allowances (the right to emit carbon dioxide) have been promised to industry, meaning less money will be rebated back to the consumer. Free allowances do not lower the costs of Waxman-Markey; they just shift them around…
There’s one thing the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill doesn’t do: Work. All of the above-mentioned costs accrue in the first 25 years of a 90-year program that, as calculated by climatologists, will lower temperatures by only hundredths of a degree Celsius in 2050 and no more than two-tenths of a degree Celsius at the end of the century. In the name of saving the planet for future generations, Waxman-Markey does not sound like a great deal: millions of lost jobs, trillions of lost income, 50-90 percent higher energy prices, and stunning increases in the national debt, all for undetectable changes in world temperature.