GabonX wrote:
Read Sperm Wars. Hell, read anything by Desmond Morris. The Naked Ape is a good place to start.
Just because someone can write well and even be published does not mean they are THE expert in the field. Desmond Morris offers one view, but not the only one. Also, your understanding of his view is not necessarily the only one.
Agreed, there are too many books that are full of good sounding rubbish.
Desmond Morris does not write those books. I'm sure that him and I would disagree on a great many things, but there are things in his books which I have read which have helped me personally. Applicable information is the reason that I believe these things.
Honestly, I don't like the way the world is in these regards. I don't like the model I posted earlier, but a combination of perception, experience, and certain literature has convinced me of the things that I write about here. Everything I write about here.
Is ALL homosexuality caused because men who are desperate for affection can not get it from women? No, absolutely not, but it is extremely foolish for someone to claim that this is not a contributing factor. And it is a contributing factor.
These things are sad really, and they are not easy to think about. We do the best we can in the world we live in.
Many things are quite probably contributing factors to every facet of human behavior and emotions, including sexuality.
However, biology is still the basis. That said, the issue here is gender identity, which is largely enviromental, because it has to do specifically with how gender relates to the roles one has in life.
This is a most interesting thread, and I'm pretty impressed by SultanofSurreal's 1st page (haven't yet finished it). I haven't seen him act in a such a gentlemanly manner.
Here's my opinion after reading the original post:
What these parents are doing isn't wrong at all and may actually be the first step of many to a more mature and profound level for our species.
SultanOfSurreal wrote:yeah man letting a kid make a decision on their own is the absolute worst thing we could ever do
I'm taking that as sarcasm.
Here Johnny, my lovely little 2 year old, do you want vegetables or chocolate for tea tonight? But vegetables are good for you! Oh well, it's your decision I suppose...
tell me, why exactly is it so inherently detrimental to allow a child to discover their own perception of their identity? in what way is forcing children to act masculine or feminine better than allowing them to decide for themselves? and how is that at all comparable to letting them eat unhealthy food whenever they want?
(you don't have any cogent answers of course, you're just getting all het up because these parents aren't jamming their kid into your narrow worldview)
I wonder how the child will feel when it learns their life was sorta kinda an experiment. I am more worried about that aspect rather than the gender issue itself
SultanOfSurreal wrote:yeah man letting a kid make a decision on their own is the absolute worst thing we could ever do
I'm taking that as sarcasm.
Here Johnny, my lovely little 2 year old, do you want vegetables or chocolate for tea tonight? But vegetables are good for you! Oh well, it's your decision I suppose...
tell me, why exactly is it so inherently detrimental to allow a child to discover their own perception of their identity? in what way is forcing children to act masculine or feminine better than allowing them to decide for themselves? and how is that at all comparable to letting them eat unhealthy food whenever they want?
(you don't have any cogent answers of course, you're just getting all het up because these parents aren't jamming their kid into your narrow worldview)
I wonder how the child will feel when it learns their life was sorta kinda an experiment. I am more worried about that aspect rather than the gender issue itself
The child's life is not an experiment. If you are a moron you are excused for thinking that, otherwise I will call you a moron for thinking it.
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
well I just wonder how you would feel being a teen or adult and looking back at this... people talking about you on websites like Conquer Club and appearing in magazines areound the world
I wouldn't be particularly happy with that, maybe you would
GloryOfThe80s wrote:well I just wonder how you would feel being a teen or adult and looking back at this... people talking about you on websites like Conquer Club and appearing in magazines areound the world
I wouldn't be particularly happy with that, maybe you would
And how exactly does that make the child's life an experiment?
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
GloryOfThe80s wrote:well I just wonder how you would feel being a teen or adult and looking back at this... people talking about you on websites like Conquer Club and appearing in magazines areound the world
I wouldn't be particularly happy with that, maybe you would
And how exactly does that make the child's life an experiment?
SultanOfSurreal wrote: it will be interesting to see how a child raised without certain expectations being enforced turns out.
From the article: "But Swedish gender equality consultant Kristina Henkel says Pop’s parents' experiment might have positive results."
GloryOfThe80s wrote:well I just wonder how you would feel being a teen or adult and looking back at this... people talking about you on websites like Conquer Club and appearing in magazines areound the world
I wouldn't be particularly happy with that, maybe you would
And how exactly does that make the child's life an experiment?
SultanOfSurreal wrote: it will be interesting to see how a child raised without certain expectations being enforced turns out.
"Interesting" does not make it an experiment.
Ray Rider wrote:From the article: "But Swedish gender equality consultant Kristina Henkel says Pop’s parents' experiment might have positive results."
Mrs. Henkel who must be very intimately involved in raising this child is clearly talking out of her arse. Maybe it's an experiment to her, that doesn't mean it is one to Pop's parents.
Also: translations can be tricky, fortunately I am fluent in both Swedish and English, point me to the original quote and we shall see.
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
I haven't read the whole thread, but speaking as a parent myself:
virtually all parents I know claim to raise their child without enforcing any kind of gender identity on it. Virtually all of them are either lying or completely unaware of what they are really doing.
That, more than anything, makes me question this 'experiment'.
kalishnikov wrote: Damn you Koesen. (I know you're reading this)
