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Issue #14:

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Welcome to the 14th issue of the Conquer Club Newsletter!

Well we are back to our original graphics this issue, hope you enjoyed the summer graphics while they were on ;)

We have begun to use spoilers for each article, hopefully this makes it easier to browse each issue and just read what you wish to read ;)

We also have a Guest Editorial from elfish_lad, who gives a new recuits perspective into the World of Conquer Club.

We've also got Tournament and Foundry News and Night Strike answers another question in "Ask a Mod".

We hope you enjoy this issue ;)

samuelc812 - News Director

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elfish_lad wrote:Hey. Nice job to you and others on the CC Newsletters. I've read them all in between turns over the last 10 days or so. Very informative for a new participant.

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Ask a Mod
This section helps you the member gain a little more understanding about Team CC and parts of the site that you may be unclear with. Note: The views expressed in the article are solely those of the writer and do not necessarily express the views of the other moderators or administrators.
Rocketry wrote:Does the CC moderation team aim to take "the rules" and apply them differently to individual people and specific cases.

If yes.. how effective do you feel the team is in doing this?
This is quite an interesting question that probably doesn't have a straight answer. I think the rules always have to be applied to specific cases rather than specific users. If a post is a flame or spam, then it's such regardless of who posted it. The disciplinary actions that follow are user based because of the escalating system that's currently in place. The issues that get muddy are the ones where the situation is in the gray rather than the black and white. Those gray issues are the ones where moderators should get a second opinion. I think that sometimes a person's history would have to be looked at in some of these cases. An example would be a post that is considered a flame to some, but just sarcasm to others. I think that there are occasions where the moderator has to look at who made the post: if the person doesn't have a history of flaming, then the post is probably just sarcasm; but a person with a history of flames may just be trying to semi-hide it and action may need taken.

I believe that the Team is doing a better job of being impartial in their warnings and vacations, but it's not an easy task. And it gets harder when you are dealing with members who frequently go after each other or make frivolous reports. Sometimes the moderator has to take into account who is reporting the post and whether that person has a vendetta or agenda. Moderating is rarely cut and dry, especially on a forum that can be as dramatic as this one.

I will answer more questions next issue. If you would like to submit a question, please post them in the Ask A Mod thread.

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Tournament News
Hello Tournament Followers. I'm taking over the Tournament News section for the time being. This issue we have a few important hits.

Gozar hands over the Tournament Newsletter
Yes, it's sadly true. Gozar took the Tournament Newsletter to previously inconceivable new heights, including spawning the subsequent Foundry and CC Newsletters. He voluntarily put in countless hours to better the site, and was very deserving of the Special Contribution medal he received on April 21, 2009. Gozar is handing off the Tournament Newsletter to sailorseal, so hopefully the rich tradition continues. Many kudos Gozar!

New Tournament Forum Announcement
The Tournament Directors put together a new update for the tournament forums. The signature piece is a new policy for players and organizers to rescue tournaments that are nearing abandonment. This is designed so that players who are doing well in a tournament are still able to continue with the tournament rather than having it just drop out. The other pieces of the update include the 2nd Edition of the Tournament Handbook, some clarifications to the Premium Prize Policy, and a list of Director tasks. You can check out the announcement here.

Starting a New Tournament
If you've been thinking about starting your own tournament but have never gotten around to it, now is as good a time as any to start. There are a few less tournaments currently recruiting in the Create/Join A Tournament forum, so new organizers won't be getting overshadowed by experienced ones. I encourage you to come and try your hand at organizing an enjoyable tournament.

Good luck in all your tournaments.
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Foundry News
Hi all,

More slow times in the Foundry. No new maps for a month now — ugh. In better news, thenobodies80 is now going to be teaming up with me to deliver you what's going on in the Foundry ;)

WidowMakers says goodbye
A bit of sad news in this issue, as we bid a tearful goodbye to the great mapmaker WidowMakers. He's been around since '06 and has pumped out 20 of the greatest maps that CC has seen in its 3-and-a-half-year history.

Mapping Development Summary
The summer is slowly passing in the Foundry and faced with the decision of whether to lie down under a palm tree with a cool drink in hard or melt in front of their computer screens, it seems our dear mapmakers have chosen the former. However, the Foundry continues its incessant work, and multiple new maps have just made their entry into the Foundry Proper.

In the Final Forge, long-awaited Feudal Epic is almost finished and the XML stamp seems to be the last roadblock (though it shouldn't be too hard to come by after the XML guru, yeti_c, completes the code). WWII: Poland, a very nice-looking conquest-style map by our Editor-in-Chief, samuelc812, is also waiting for me (.44) to get off my lazy arse and finish coding the XML! Also, the Germany REVAMP by peperonnibread and Gilgamesh by oaktown seem ready to increase the number of our playable maps in a short amount of time. The road out of Beta seems a bit harder for Peloponnesian War, in which some concerns about the objective of this map have been raised and discussed to no avail — for now. In the same way, Golfe du St. Laurent, whose development, after a good restart in the hands of sailorseal, has slowed to a full stop due to some XML and image concerns.

In any case, it seems there will be a few new maps reaching live play by the next time we publish :)
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Title: “Ten Days In And Not Bleeding To Death... Yet”
By: elfish_lad
Guest Editorial
Hey CC how’s it going? Great that you are on the webs. Glad we are together.If the mods and newsletter editors will let me, this is a “New Recruit’s” (and absolutely Unsolicited) addition to the very informative and valuable CC newsletter.

Here goes...

So, I’m new to the site. Been around about 10 days. Finished two games. Lost them both. May win one out of the last three games I have left. Maybe not. (Most likely not since I went with the “one stack” method of dying slowly and painfully.) Regardless, I think I’ll stick around. Get a premie once I sort out my paypal carp. But I’ve gotta learn the “unlimited reinforcement” angle to things. New to me. Love it. But wasn’t ready for it. In the least. I hope the “chef’s club” will take me on so that I can beat the learning curve a bit faster than I would on my own. Nevertheless, thought I would, as a n00b here, share a couple of thoughts with the two or three of you interested in a new recruit’s take on things.

~shrugs~

If not, carry on and get back to dominating the world why don’t you?!?

The Rating System:
I find it interesting in a sociological way. I’ve had the last seven days off so I’ve been reading player’s ratings. It’s a pretty good system I think. I’ve played at tons of online sites for many types of games and this system is pretty fair and telling overall. Nice job. Better than your old “feedback” system i think. As a new player it has given me a pretty quick read on who is enjoying the game and who has a stick up... I guess you get the point. What I’ve found most interesting (but not very surprising) is that the players who tend to rate opponents low (ones and twos) and use terms like “Slow, Coward, Sore Loser, Poor Strategy” are the ones who... wait for it... one more second... I know you see it coming... have fairly low ratings themselves. Usually below 4.2 or 4.0. Which mathematically is a pretty low rating when the majority seem to have 4.7 or above. Pot and the kettle and being black or the like. When I’ve had the chance to read some of the game chat the chronic “low raters” tend to start off friendly but quickly devolve into “why are you not playing the way that I think you should?!?!?!” type of comments.

Kind of like what I find at work. Those who are most critical and impatient are the ones who call others critical and impatient. My advice? Nope. Got none. This isn’t a pretentious advice column it is an unsolicited reflection by a newt.

Flame Wars:
As a certified Vet of the Wars on Other Boards (that was an official war... check it out on the Wiki if you doubt the Elf) I’ll tell you what, I’m glad I didn’t walk into that here. I know. It sucks for you CC Flame Wars vets. Been there. You’ve got your style. You know who’s gonna have your back. You check for responses more than you follow the games you are in. Check. Understand. But it is pretty intimidating for us drifters. It’s a closed club... with clubs. Pretty tough for us new posters. We walk straight into the bullets and right towards Google to find another similar (although far inferior) site. It’s just too much. Even for me. And I have the scars to prove I’ve been there.

Point? It is refreshing to find a site where the mods have said: “I know some of you will grouse but we are done with the blindfolded-knife-throwing while you turn in a circle threads.” Probably doesn’t work for you. Works for me and (I think anyway) for a community that wants to expand. Nice job.

Maps and Add-ons:
Holy smokes. I’ve never been to a site that offers the quality “expansion kits” and game variants... FOR FREE!!! that this site does. Never. Maybe those sites are out there. Maybe the CC mods are tapping into to my secret Switzerland bank accounts even now and heisting the WWII diamonds I’ve been hording since they were given to me by my dying grandfather in hospital... who knows... but this is top-shelf quality.

To those of you making this stuff, hats off. For those of you offering this stuff for free, the secret phrase to gain access to my secret bank account in Switzerland is “the hot mustard is on the top shelf behind the dill pickles.” Okay. That's not true. I just made that up. My wife is making a sandwich. I'll just buy a premie instead.

Farmers:
I thank those of higher rank and the many games that are circling the pool of interrogatory punctuation marks for easy... erm... marks. I get it now. We need farmers. Where would the world be without them?!?! Dust. We would be dust in the wind and stray dogs would roam the earth in our stead. But there you are each day, steady and resilient. You are silent. You are steadfast. You kick our collective hind ends. But just remember, not every sentence must end in a question mark forever. Someday, some might just end with “Ha! I’ve finally won my first game!!!!”

Well. A guy can hope I guess. Keep up the good work of avoiding your work and conquering the world CC community! I’m glad to be a part of it... so far.

Sincerely,
Elf.
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well done, good read
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That was enjoyable. Good job, especially to elf, nice article.
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Loving the newsletter feedback section
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great guest editorial!!! i like where the new recruit who wasn't around for flame wars and never saw the flame wars here, knows enough about flame wars to declare their omission a wonderful thing. wonder how he feels about the sneaky underhanded way it was done under the guise of a "joke" by an admin that was/is a figment of someone's imagination, and how he feels about some of the truly great threads that you can't even visit to see some of the great posts... yeah... let's solicit opinions from members about things they don't even know, as long as the further the CC kool-aid consumption... wow...-0

p.s.- a very nice pro CC article from a "member" with 1 completed game, and zero ongoing as of now... another made up CC Member?
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owenshooter wrote:i like where the new recruit who wasn't around for flame wars and never saw the flame wars here, knows enough about flame wars to declare their omission a wonderful thing. wonder how he feels about the sneaky underhanded way it was done under the guise of a "joke" by an admin that was/is a figment of someone's imagination, and how he feels about some of the truly great threads that you can't even visit to see some of the great posts... yeah... let's solicit opinions from members about things they don't even know, as long as the further the CC kool-aid consumption... wow...-0

p.s.- a very nice pro CC article from a "member" with 1 completed game, and zero ongoing as of now... another made up CC Member?
rofl....
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samuelc812 wrote:Title: “Ten Days In And Not Bleeding To Death... Yet”
By: elfish_lad
Guest Editorial
Hey CC how’s it going? Great that you are on the webs. Glad we are together.If the mods and newsletter editors will let me, this is a “New Recruit’s” (and absolutely Unsolicited) addition to the very informative and valuable CC newsletter.

Here goes...

So, I’m new to the site. Been around about 10 days. Finished two games. Lost them both. May win one out of the last three games I have left. Maybe not. (Most likely not since I went with the “one stack” method of dying slowly and painfully.) Regardless, I think I’ll stick around. Get a premie once I sort out my paypal carp. But I’ve gotta learn the “unlimited reinforcement” angle to things. New to me. Love it. But wasn’t ready for it. In the least. I hope the “chef’s club” will take me on so that I can beat the learning curve a bit faster than I would on my own. Nevertheless, thought I would, as a n00b here, share a couple of thoughts with the two or three of you interested in a new recruit’s take on things.

~shrugs~

If not, carry on and get back to dominating the world why don’t you?!?

The Rating System:
I find it interesting in a sociological way. I’ve had the last seven days off so I’ve been reading player’s ratings. It’s a pretty good system I think. I’ve played at tons of online sites for many types of games and this system is pretty fair and telling overall. Nice job. Better than your old “feedback” system i think. As a new player it has given me a pretty quick read on who is enjoying the game and who has a stick up... I guess you get the point. What I’ve found most interesting (but not very surprising) is that the players who tend to rate opponents low (ones and twos) and use terms like “Slow, Coward, Sore Loser, Poor Strategy” are the ones who... wait for it... one more second... I know you see it coming... have fairly low ratings themselves. Usually below 4.2 or 4.0. Which mathematically is a pretty low rating when the majority seem to have 4.7 or above. Pot and the kettle and being black or the like. When I’ve had the chance to read some of the game chat the chronic “low raters” tend to start off friendly but quickly devolve into “why are you not playing the way that I think you should?!?!?!” type of comments.

Kind of like what I find at work. Those who are most critical and impatient are the ones who call others critical and impatient. My advice? Nope. Got none. This isn’t a pretentious advice column it is an unsolicited reflection by a newt.

Flame Wars:
As a certified Vet of the Wars on Other Boards (that was an official war... check it out on the Wiki if you doubt the Elf) I’ll tell you what, I’m glad I didn’t walk into that here. I know. It sucks for you CC Flame Wars vets. Been there. You’ve got your style. You know who’s gonna have your back. You check for responses more than you follow the games you are in. Check. Understand. But it is pretty intimidating for us drifters. It’s a closed club... with clubs. Pretty tough for us new posters. We walk straight into the bullets and right towards Google to find another similar (although far inferior) site. It’s just too much. Even for me. And I have the scars to prove I’ve been there.

Point? It is refreshing to find a site where the mods have said: “I know some of you will grouse but we are done with the blindfolded-knife-throwing while you turn in a circle threads.” Probably doesn’t work for you. Works for me and (I think anyway) for a community that wants to expand. Nice job.

Maps and Add-ons:
Holy smokes. I’ve never been to a site that offers the quality “expansion kits” and game variants... FOR FREE!!! that this site does. Never. Maybe those sites are out there. Maybe the CC mods are tapping into to my secret Switzerland bank accounts even now and heisting the WWII diamonds I’ve been hording since they were given to me by my dying grandfather in hospital... who knows... but this is top-shelf quality.

To those of you making this stuff, hats off. For those of you offering this stuff for free, the secret phrase to gain access to my secret bank account in Switzerland is “the hot mustard is on the top shelf behind the dill pickles.” Okay. That's not true. I just made that up. My wife is making a sandwich. I'll just buy a premie instead.

Farmers:
I thank those of higher rank and the many games that are circling the pool of interrogatory punctuation marks for easy... erm... marks. I get it now. We need farmers. Where would the world be without them?!?! Dust. We would be dust in the wind and stray dogs would roam the earth in our stead. But there you are each day, steady and resilient. You are silent. You are steadfast. You kick our collective hind ends. But just remember, not every sentence must end in a question mark forever. Someday, some might just end with “Ha! I’ve finally won my first game!!!!”

Well. A guy can hope I guess. Keep up the good work of avoiding your work and conquering the world CC community! I’m glad to be a part of it... so far.

Sincerely,
Elf.

Hooray for elfish_lad's mighty 4 posts! It's like reading an article written by a student that's been asked to comment on the Roman invasion of Western Europe, you weren't there so just exactly how are you expected to KNOW what it was like? How can you articulate what it was like to have the Roman legions marching through your village/town on the edict of this 'Emperor' that you've never heard of before? Particularly from a perspective that is skewed by 2000 years of history that's undoubtedly also been coloured by political bias.

Simply put, you can't.

This is not a criticism of you Elf, it's a criticism of the newsletter editorial team for picking you to pass comment on something you can't reasonably be expected to give an informed opinion on.

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I hope to be interviewed by archeology magazine this month. I will tell them how I know nothing about actual digs, but liked to dig in the sand on family vacations to the beach. I am sure my level of expertise will have the editor's chomping at the bit to get me involved.

Also if there is a tournament section in the CC news, why is there a separate tourney newsletter? Maybe they should all be combined, in order to actually make ONE newsletter rather than several.
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Artimis wrote:Hooray for elfish_lad's mighty 4 posts!
oops, my bad, i looked up elf. regardless, i am sticking by my half-cocked comments, because they are still mostly correct/true, excluding the number of games played...-0

p.s.-brett, i am more well versed in the art of sandbox play, due to having a 5 year old. however, we tend to build dams and atom smashers in his box... guess i'll submit an article to popular mechanics...
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jbrettlip wrote:Also if there is a tournament section in the CC news, why is there a separate tourney newsletter? Maybe they should all be combined, in order to actually make ONE newsletter rather than several.
There's also a Foundry section. They're both in the CC Newsletter so that people who only read this one can get information about the other areas of the site they don't visit. I'm going to keep it shorter than it has been in the past so that it doesn't look like a partial copy of the actual Tournament Newsletter.
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Good work! I enjoyed the Guest Editorial. :)


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WidowMakers says goodbye
A bit of sad news in this issue, as we bid a tearful goodbye to the great mapmaker WidowMakers. He's been around since '06 and has pumped out 20 of the greatest maps that CC has seen in its 3-and-a-half-year history.
Hmm,im now 3 month retire from MapFoundry,and you dont put single word in Newsletter abouth that. Well its good to see how people care for mine work here,another good reason why im retire from map making.
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qwert wrote:
WidowMakers says goodbye
A bit of sad news in this issue, as we bid a tearful goodbye to the great mapmaker WidowMakers. He's been around since '06 and has pumped out 20 of the greatest maps that CC has seen in its 3-and-a-half-year history.
Hmm,im now 3 month retire from MapFoundry,and you dont put single word in Newsletter abouth that. Well its good to see how people care for mine work here,another good reason why im retire from map making.
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If you didn't know, qwert, maker of your favorite WWII maps and Europe 1914, as well as the new Peloponnesian War map, is leaving the Foundry in exasperation of the long process. We all know he'll be missed, as it seems there's no persuading him to remain and keep pumping out great maps for CC.
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mine mistake.
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All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.

Furthermore, elfish_lad sent that article to me asking if i would put it in the newsletter, i did not go to him asking if he'd give a new recruits perspective.

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samuelc812 wrote:All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.

Furthermore, elfish_lad sent that article to me asking if i would put it in the newsletter, i did not go to him asking if he'd give a new recruits perspective.

Regards,
samuelc812
So by your logic:

Positive = Printing an uninformed article by someone who couldn't possibly know what Flame Wars was like because they joined well after it was removed.

Negative = Pointing out this glaring lack of actual experience for what it is.


The only way elfish_lad could possibly have any knowledge of Flame Wars is if he had been here under another account when Flame Wars was still around, making him a multi...... I can only imagine what an actual newspaper would read like if the editor was similarly blase when editing his reporters articles, what manner of street rag would such a newspaper be?

In my humble opinion, that article was a plant with a specific purpose to achieve. As for why players don't use the forum more often, I have a list for you:
  • 1> Don't know it's there.
    2> Can't be bothered with it.
    3> Don't find it interesting enough.
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FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

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samuelc812 wrote:FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

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...oh, he read an edition of Flame Wars in a C.C. Newsletter....silly us.

PUHLEEEZE! Is that suppose to be comical?!? Yeah, the C.C Administration's viewpoint on Flame Wars.

That's like getting the viewpoint from Hitler and his Henchmen on racial purity and World War II

Of course, you're going to get some negative feedback on some noobie who reflects on Flame Wars and the evils associated with it. We can also expect back-slapping comments from the administrators about what a fine lad he is and low-blow comments from administrators who are thin-skinned about anything favoring Flame Wars.

Well...gotta go now, I just finished reading Mein Kampf and did you know that the Jews were responsible for the Germans losing World War I. Thank God I'm reading all this factual shit, otherwise, I'd be in the dark about these matters. Maybe I'll just start reading C.C. Newsletters and learn about......
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

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Woo! Hoo! My first article!!! Sweet. Thanks guys.

Just a note to my detractors: I'm gone because I play softball over the summer. Be back to play here at CC at the end of August.

I wrote the article very tongue and cheek but also, as a regular poster at other boards (like the Onion's A.V. club) I thought the conversation at CC interesting about flame wars. I read a lot of posts about it here (too bad there isn’t an indicator on that… I would be far more interested in how many posts you read rather than how many you post) and thought I would give you an outsider’s thought.

Sorry to those of you who didn't think it appropriate of me to comment, but it is my right.

Nevertheless, I am a very real person who lives with his wife and kids in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have never been asked to do anything by the CC admin but gave my opinion. I have submitted two other articles (on other reflections by a newt on other topics) that you may or may not wish to read in the future (if they are published!).

Blessings to each of you in your life. Hope we get to play some time.

Sincerely,

Elf
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

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elfish_lad wrote:Woo! Hoo! My first article!!! Sweet. Thanks guys.

Just a note to my detractors: I'm gone because I play softball over the summer. Be back to play here at CC at the end of August.

I wrote the article very tongue and cheek but also, as a regular poster at other boards (like the Onion's A.V. club) I thought the conversation at CC interesting about flame wars. I read a lot of posts about it here (too bad there isn’t an indicator on that… I would be far more interested in how many posts you read rather than how many you post) and thought I would give you an outsider’s thought.

Sorry to those of you who didn't think it appropriate of me to comment, but it is my right.

Nevertheless, I am a very real person who lives with his wife and kids in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have never been asked to do anything by the CC admin but gave my opinion. I have submitted two other articles (on other reflections by a newt on other topics) that you may wish to not read in the future.

Blessings to each of you in your life. Hope we get to play some time.

Sincerely,

Elf
Yeah, just as a psychic has the right to sue her plastic surgeon after her breast implants nullify her psychic powers..... :roll:

I reiterate, it's NOT you I'm disappointed with for printing the section on Flame Wars(for the most part anyway). It's the complete lack of editorial nous that let it slip through which got my goat.
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Artimis wrote:The only way elfish_lad could possibly have any knowledge of Flame Wars is if he had been here under another account when Flame Wars was still around, making him a multi...... I can only imagine what an actual newspaper would read like if the editor was similarly blase when editing his reporters articles, what manner of street rag would such a newspaper be?
He was cleared of being a multi. I asked for a check before the issue printed.
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samuelc812 wrote:All you guys do is complain, at least some of us are trying to make a positive contribution to the community, the negative posts that always come from you, is probably the main reason why people don't use the forums. If you don't have something positive or constructive to say, how about leaving your thoughts to yourself.
Firstly, the bolded part is quite a gross generalization.

Secondly, what I'm understanding from this paragraph, is that negative feedback ("I don't like this. Here's why. Please do something better, such as...") is completely unwelcome, whereas positive feedback ("Yay! Good work. Keep it up. Nothing could be better.") is acceptable. If I have misunderstood somehow (and I hope that I have) please show me where, because otherwise it seems like you're saying that everything is being done absolutely perfectly, and that no opinion to the contrary is needed, or wanted, nor will they be paid any mind.

Again, I sincerely hope that that's not what you intended to say, but I honestly fear that it is, as that's the exact impression I have been getting from team CC over the past months.
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To my understanding, not one person who has made a constructive criticism, has submitted their own article. Be part of the solution and write an article! Looking forward to more community involvement.
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Re: CC News [Issue 14: 6-8-09] - Back to our Roots!

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Positive Feedback is always easier to handle than Negative Feedback, even if the Negative Feedback is intended to be informative and helpful. The Foundry has shown this over the years---literally hundreds and hundreds of examples.

However, some of the top maps to make it on Conquer Club had some of the best/worst debates and discussions going.

So whenever there is criticism, do take it into consideration. Even if it doesn't change anything, it will at least widen one's thoughts.


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GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:
samuelc812 wrote:FYI, He knows about Flame Wars because he has read every edition of the CC Newsletter in between turns, in Issue 6 it clearly says in the Editor's Note about how Flame Wars was removed, hardly makes him a multi. Not to mention he has probably read the announcement made by Hyasri.

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samuelc812





...oh, he read an edition of Flame Wars in a C.C. Newsletter....silly us.

PUHLEEEZE! Is that suppose to be comical?!? Yeah, the C.C Administration's viewpoint on Flame Wars.

That's like getting the viewpoint from Hitler and his Henchmen on racial purity and World War II

Of course, you're going to get some negative feedback on some noobie who reflects on Flame Wars and the evils associated with it. We can also expect back-slapping comments from the administrators about what a fine lad he is and low-blow comments from administrators who are thin-skinned about anything favoring Flame Wars.

Well...gotta go now, I just finished reading Mein Kampf and did you know that the Jews were responsible for the Germans losing World War I. Thank God I'm reading all this factual shit, otherwise, I'd be in the dark about these matters. Maybe I'll just start reading C.C. Newsletters and learn about......
Lovely post.

However, too many more clever posts like this and...

Well you know how it goes.

With regards to the the article in question, I thought it was fairly well-written and there is nothing terribly wrong with a 'new guys perspective'. However, I would suggest the writer delves a little deeper than CC News to get a real handle on this place. For example, I spent a good month reading through the back pages of GD before I even ventured to make more than a quick comment or two in that forum.

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