Moderating Mods

[owenshooter]

I am not worried about my contribution to CC. I work hard and provide an honest service. I only want to confront the "boggie man" image you are trying to create. I cannot act with "bias" or in any way impose my will on other members outside the Society of Cooks, and there I work closely with the other moderators to be fair and helpful.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if you don't like my opinions, and that is what they are, my opinions, not the policy of CC.

and now you are showing everyone else that thought you were a great addition to team CC, why many opposed your inclusion to the fold... you don't even seem to be able to recognize that you are being, and should be, held to a higher standard by the community at large. wonderful that you contribute in the school of cooks. but when you go forth into the forums and flame and bait members, it speaks poorly for the mod squad. afterall, wasn't it wicked that first attempted the "user first, mod second" excuse for her out of control behaviour and abusive nature within the forums? the thing is, you are not going to be banned for your over the line remarks (which are now flowing more so than ever in the past). however, if a member responds to you, they run the risk of getting into real trouble. if you don't wanted the added scrutiny and responsibility, then resign. if you want to run around with mod colours, than try to be respectful of your title and the forum community.-0

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Look at all the "colored names" that pop up, whenever a "colored name" is being pointed out as, unfair, biased, flaming, trolling and other misdeeds. They all round the wagons in defense of their "colored name" friend.

Report a "colored name" for abuse will only make you a target. I don't even dare report a poster, since he may have some type of relationship with a "colored name."

You'll just be forced into exile forever and forever....

Regards,
General Stoneham

[72o]

You guys are prejudiced against people because of the color of their names.

[mpjh]

I am not worried about my contribution to CC. I work hard and provide an honest service. I only want to confront the "boggie man" image you are trying to create. I cannot act with "bias" or in any way impose my will on other members outside the Society of Cooks, and there I work closely with the other moderators to be fair and helpful.

Frankly, I don't give a damn if you don't like my opinions, and that is what they are, my opinions, not the policy of CC.

and now you are showing everyone else that thought you were a great addition to team CC, why many opposed your inclusion to the fold... you don't even seem to be able to recognize that you are being, and should be, held to a higher standard by the community at large. wonderful that you contribute in the school of cooks. but when you go forth into the forums and flame and bait members, it speaks poorly for the mod squad. afterall, wasn't it wicked that first attempted the "user first, mod second" excuse for her out of control behaviour and abusive nature within the forums? the thing is, you are not going to be banned for your over the line remarks (which are now flowing more so than ever in the past). however, if a member responds to you, they run the risk of getting into real trouble. if you don't wanted the added scrutiny and responsibility, then resign. if you want to run around with mod colours, than try to be respectful of your title and the forum community.-0

Without equivocation, I am respectful of my title and the forum community, because I tell the truth as I see it.

[owenshooter]

Without equivocation, I am respectful of my title and the forum community, because I tell the truth as I see it.

well, not really if you continue to flame, bait, antagonize, etc... and just a few posts earlier you declared that posting outside of the forum you work within has nothing to do with your mod status.. sooo, which is it? let me refresh your memory:

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

you sure have seemed to change your tune since you posted this earlier... soooo, either you are only responsible for what you say, as a mod, within the society of cooks, or you are posting as a mod throughout all the forums... which is it? you are talking out of two sides of your face here.. please elaborate, because the story sure has changed quickly...-0

[Timminz]

You guys are prejudiced against people because of the color of their names.

Prejudice: a preconceived opinion or feeling

When I see a user in these forums with a coloured name, I feel that in my opinion, they should behave in a manner consistent with the forum guidelines, as they are representatives of CC, in one form or another.

[owenshooter]

i don't want this to be lost by a new page beginning with a wonderful comment by timminz... i look forward to a response and explanation as to which of his many opinions this mod is going to stand by...-0

Without equivocation, I am respectful of my title and the forum community, because I tell the truth as I see it.

well, not really if you continue to flame, bait, antagonize, etc... and just a few posts earlier you declared that posting outside of the forum you work within has nothing to do with your mod status.. sooo, which is it? let me refresh your memory:

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

you sure have seemed to change your tune since you posted this earlier... soooo, either you are only responsible for what you say, as a mod, within the society of cooks, or you are posting as a mod throughout all the forums... which is it? you are talking out of two sides of your face here.. please elaborate, because the story sure has changed quickly...-0

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Those who represent C.C. aka "colored name" should be held to a higher standard. Just like Judges and Police, if they abuse their powers or are corrupt, the public loses trust in the system.

Regards,
General Stoneham

[mpjh]

I stand by what I said, it was direct enough for any reasonable person to understand.

[Timminz]

I stand by what I said, it was direct enough for any reasonable person to understand.

And now you are implying that because we disagree with you, that we "don't understand", but that any "reasonable person" would?

That is flat-out baiting, and flaming behaviour, and is EXACTLY what we're talking about.

[owenshooter]

I stand by what I said, it was direct enough for any reasonable person to understand.

well, as i showed, you just said two different things. which is it? is it that you are not representing CC outside of the cook school OR is it that you are responsible for all your posts throughout the forums? you just said you stand by what you said. you said two separate things! which is it?!!-0

[mpjh]

Owenshooter, you haven't shown anything.

[owenshooter]

Owenshooter, you haven't shown anything.

NOTHING YOU WILL RESPOND TOO!!!

i don't want this to be lost by a new page beginning with a wonderful comment by timminz... i look forward to a response and explanation as to which of his many opinions this mod is going to stand by...-0

Without equivocation, I am respectful of my title and the forum community, because I tell the truth as I see it.

well, not really if you continue to flame, bait, antagonize, etc... and just a few posts earlier you declared that posting outside of the forum you work within has nothing to do with your mod status.. sooo, which is it? let me refresh your memory:

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

you sure have seemed to change your tune since you posted this earlier... soooo, either you are only responsible for what you say, as a mod, within the society of cooks, or you are posting as a mod throughout all the forums... which is it? you are talking out of two sides of your face here.. please elaborate, because the story sure has changed quickly...-0

[squishyg]

How is calling someone "white" bigotry?

Did you read the quote?

Yes. My point was that I couldn't see anything bigoted in the original quote.

[niMic]

Some people really do use every single opportunity they get to whine about the moderators.

[owenshooter]

Some people really do use every single opportunity they get to whine about the moderators.

it is a specific mod that doesn't believe he has to act as a mod outside of the school for cooks. however, his trolling and baiting continues and of course people are reluctant to reply or report them out of fear of retaliation. he himself stated that he is only a mod within that singular forum and that his views outside of the forum do not represent CC.. however, he then backtracked and claimed he was always respectful of the status his coloured name means... it is a very real debate/issue, and nobody is whining. it is grounded in an actual complaint about a specific mod that continues to break forum rules without repercussion.-0

[stahrgazer]

but when you go forth into the forums and flame and bait members, it speaks poorly for the mod squad....
...however, if a member responds to you, they run the risk of getting into real trouble. if you don't wanted the added scrutiny and responsibility, then resign...
...if you want to run around with mod colours, than try to be respectful of your title and the forum community.-0...

This should apply to any mod.

If it helps, owen, a mod who wasn't self-disciplining a while back has recently admitted the error and apologized, so there IS hope.

Now I'm lobbying for admin to step up to the plate and try to minimize these instances in the future, but yeah, I'm receiving a lot of flack for it

Some of the most common gripes I'm getting from the "sit down and shut up or go away again" portion of the community are that I took my gripes public.

To that portion of the community: for four months, my concerns were sent privately before I gave up and left for just over four months. Now I've decided not to continue giving up, in great part because I'm not the only member who's upset at hypocritical rules enforcement policies... as posts like the original here, show. That does not make me anti-mod; it makes me pro-justice. I look forward to the day when I can again respect EVERY mod and EVERY admin for doing their BEST to be fair, rather than their least. Does every mod do his or her least? Nope. But when even a generally good mod slips up, the mod should be disciplined with the same sorts of reminders a member would get.

[owenshooter]

Owenshooter, you haven't shown anything.

yeah, i'd have typed that too, right before i turned tail and ran... you have yet to
respond to my question which any reasonable person would. just looking for clarification
as to which of your contradicting statements about your mod activities outside of the cook
school you are going to stand by... just scroll up if you have forgotten what made you vanish
from the thread instead of clarifying it all when pressed to do so...-0

[King_Herpes]

Owenshooter, you haven't shown anything.

yeah, i'd have typed that too, right before i turned tail and ran... you have yet to
respond to my question which any reasonable person would. just looking for clarification
as to which of your contradicting statements about your mod activities outside of the cook
school you are going to stand by... just scroll up if you have forgotten what made you vanish
from the thread instead of clarifying it all when pressed to do so...-0

looks like owen is up to it again, jumping into the ring so quickly that he ignores all respects
to his english teachers. completely overlooks all necessary capitalization and proper
spacing techniques... its good to know that this is where our tax dollars go -6cd

[a.sub]

sorry i have been absent from my own tread for a while, visiting friends from tucson.

Anyway

Thanks to owen, timminz and killing to some extent for basically saying and showing exactly what i was talking about.

Allow me to give an example of the first issue from what i am saying without making my post unnecessarily long.

If you go to DisneyLand, you will never find a worker with a Obama/McCain pin. on their uniform. Its their honest opinion, and its only one person, so why cant they do it? Because when they wear such a pin on their uniform they are saying, DisneyLand Supports <insert name here>
Now if the same person is visiting disney land and they dont have a uniform on (they are a customer now) and they wear the same pin, they are now saying I Support <insert name here>
the difference being that the latter case respects DisneyLand as a non political entity

Similarly the Mods of CC need to withhold strong judgment and opinion since the colored name puts them in uniform.


Now i have more visiting to do but when i get back ill post the second issue on breaking the rules you should be enforcing.

[PLAYER57832]

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

Look, I respect you, but you have to realize that any mod who posts in the forums, whether a forum mod or not, is representing CC more than the average poster. To say "I am not a mod in this forum" rather misses the point that you need to use a bit more discretion in posting now that you are a mod.

Again, I don't think your posts were bad, but you are under the microscope now. It comes with the "badge".

[owenshooter]

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

Look, I respect you, but you have to realize that any mod who posts in the forums, whether a forum mod or not, is representing CC more than the average poster. To say "I am not a mod in this forum" rather misses the point that you need to use a bit more discretion in posting now that you are a mod.

Again, I don't think your posts were bad, but you are under the microscope now. It comes with the "badge".

no, no, player57832 you have it all wrong... he no longer believes that.. he changed his tune... however, we can not be sure which of the two statements he is standing by, because he hasn't come back to clarify... i see him lurking at the bottom of the page, maybe he'll grace us with his presence and clarify it for us...-0

[King_Herpes]

I have said a number of times that I am a moderator in the Society of Cooks only. I have no mod powers outside that group. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

Look, I respect you, but you have to realize that any mod who posts in the forums, whether a forum mod or not, is representing CC more than the average poster. To say "I am not a mod in this forum" rather misses the point that you need to use a bit more discretion in posting now that you are a mod.

Again, I don't think your posts were bad, but you are under the microscope now. It comes with the "badge".

no, no, player57832 you have it all wrong... he no longer believes that.. he changed his tune... however, we can not be sure which of the two statements he is standing by, because he hasn't come back to clarify... i see him lurking at the bottom of the page, maybe he'll grace us with his presence and clarify it for us...-0

But isn't it more fun just to be coy?

[Tisha]

But when even a generally good mod slips up, the mod should be disciplined with the same sorts of reminders a member would get.

so a mod came to you to apologize for defending someone months and months ago, who turned out to be a jerk .. and now it's burn them at the stake? I'm not saying that a mod who did something wrong shouldn't be disciplined.. but I know about the "incident" you are referring to...if you want to call it that
I personally don't even think there was anything for that mod to apologize for.. but I'm not bringing out the details

and by the way.. me asking why don't you leave if you dislike it here so much in not abuse...
I can see why you would think action needed to be taken against the person who "abused" you just by you calling that comment I made abuse..

and incase you didn't see.. because I see you mention this everywhere

Reviewing older cases, when it comes to Forum/Live Chat possible issues, would be nearly impossible to do efficiently.

If you come across people breaking the Community Guidelines, Report the Post or fill out a Cheating and Abuse Report, or send in an E-ticket. We really are honestly happy to review anything that comes in via those methods (as long as spurious reports are kept to a minimum).

We do our best to investigate issues before they get reported, but we've only so many eyes and ears, and that's where the rest of you come in.


--Andy

[owenshooter]

and incase you didn't see.. because I see you mention this everywhere

Reviewing older cases, when it comes to Forum/Live Chat possible issues, would be nearly impossible to do efficiently.

If you come across people breaking the Community Guidelines, Report the Post or fill out a Cheating and Abuse Report, or send in an E-ticket. We really are honestly happy to review anything that comes in via those methods (as long as spurious reports are kept to a minimum).

We do our best to investigate issues before they get reported, but we've only so many eyes and ears, and that's where the rest of you come in.


--Andy

tisha, that quote by andy is pretty much about restoring any banned members like dancing mustard... let's not stretch this into something it isn't about... the offending mod has made both of his contradictory stances well known within this thread, and is no longer poking into this thread as he has been handled soundly... the only problem is, since he has vanished, how can we be sure which of his contradictory statements is his current mod manifesto?-0