No more freestyle double turn...

[Mr Changsha]

True, but winning 62% of say trips games against major/colonel average teams (assuming you played with a couple of stripers) is pretty hard to do! Or you resort to the 'farming method' and try and win 80-85% against randomn teams...harder to do in this age of continuous accusations about farming and the new willingness to join team games rather than start them. I would think that you would admit that you would struggle to stay +4000 if you only played sequential...even +3500 is truly exceptional for sequential players.

Hence the belief that your rank would surely drop if you only played sequential.

However, as you say you can keep making points from freestyle I dare say the point is not that crucial.

[djt5483]

since conquer club has gotten really retarded the last 6 months or so and all they wanna do is take whatever fun there is left away from everyone, im gonna finish my games and take a couple months off (atleast) and i wont renew premium when it runs out

[demonfork]

True, but winning 62% of say trips games against major/colonel average teams (assuming you played with a couple of stripers) is pretty hard to do! Or you resort to the 'farming method' and try and win 80-85% against randomn teams...harder to do in this age of continuous accusations about farming and the new willingness to join team games rather than start them. I would think that you would admit that you would struggle to stay +4000 if you only played sequential...even +3500 is truly exceptional for sequential players.

Hence the belief that your rank would surely drop if you only played sequential.

However, as you say you can keep making points from freestyle I dare say the point is not that crucial.

I agree that there as an obvious delta between the scores of successful freestyle players and sequential players. This is why I support the dual scoring system, one for fs and one for seq, hell you could even throw a 3'rd composite column in there for highest combined score.

All that said, when I make conqueror, I'll make you a deal, Ill play seq team games exclusively for a month to see if I can maintain my score.

[Mr Changsha]

True, but winning 62% of say trips games against major/colonel average teams (assuming you played with a couple of stripers) is pretty hard to do! Or you resort to the 'farming method' and try and win 80-85% against randomn teams...harder to do in this age of continuous accusations about farming and the new willingness to join team games rather than start them. I would think that you would admit that you would struggle to stay +4000 if you only played sequential...even +3500 is truly exceptional for sequential players.

Hence the belief that your rank would surely drop if you only played sequential.

However, as you say you can keep making points from freestyle I dare say the point is not that crucial.

I agree that there as an obvious delta between the scores of successful freestyle players and sequential players. This is why I support the dual scoring system, one for fs and one for seq, hell you could even throw a 3'rd composite column in there for highest combined score.

All that said, when I make conqueror, I'll make you a deal, Ill play seq team games exclusively for a month to see if I can maintain my score.

Done!

[demonfork]

True, but winning 62% of say trips games against major/colonel average teams (assuming you played with a couple of stripers) is pretty hard to do! Or you resort to the 'farming method' and try and win 80-85% against randomn teams...harder to do in this age of continuous accusations about farming and the new willingness to join team games rather than start them. I would think that you would admit that you would struggle to stay +4000 if you only played sequential...even +3500 is truly exceptional for sequential players.

Hence the belief that your rank would surely drop if you only played sequential.

However, as you say you can keep making points from freestyle I dare say the point is not that crucial.

I agree that there as an obvious delta between the scores of successful freestyle players and sequential players. This is why I support the dual scoring system, one for fs and one for seq, hell you could even throw a 3'rd composite column in there for highest combined score.

All that said, when I make conqueror, I'll make you a deal, Ill play seq team games exclusively for a month to see if I can maintain my score.

Done!

So...you agree with me that I will be conqueror then

[john9blue]

Start?!! ROFL. Dude I'm all silver in team game medals and Herp is all gold (and we both maintained our high scores getting when getting those medals). Most of my active games atm are team games. Just because we play a lot of freestyle does not mean that we don't play other games as well.

That's my point, team games are the next easiest way to get a really high score. Just play with lower ranks on your team who know what they are doing, and coordinate your attacks and bonuses, and you can maintain an incredible win rate while getting more points than playing 1v1 freestyle. Gustaf Wasa, rabbiton, and Velvecarrots already do it, and so do you on occasion.

[prismsaber]

Start?!! ROFL. Dude I'm all silver in team game medals and Herp is all gold (and we both maintained our high scores getting when getting those medals). Most of my active games atm are team games. Just because we play a lot of freestyle does not mean that we don't play other games as well.

That's my point, team games are the next easiest way to get a really high score. Just play with lower ranks on your team who know what they are doing, and coordinate your attacks and bonuses, and you can maintain an incredible win rate while getting more points than playing 1v1 freestyle. Gustaf Wasa, rabbiton, and Velvecarrots already do it, and so do you on occasion.

What do you mean by playing with lower ranks? If by lower ranks you mean people ranked higher than you, Lieutenant, then sure. Most if not all the partners those players use are in the major + range.

[john9blue]

What do you mean by playing with lower ranks? If by lower ranks you mean people ranked higher than you, Lieutenant, then sure. Most if not all the partners those players use are in the major + range.

Because they know what they are doing. I could achieve colonel again if I played nothing but team games with my friends who are stripes (because they barely play) but have a lieutenant's skill level at least. In fact you seem to be another team game whore... you were just too low on the scoreboard to be worthy of mention.

[alex951]

Now there is really no point in buying premium again

[djt5483]

Now there is really no point in buying premium again

i know i wont be, i might still play my 4 games at a time. but they are making the site not worth paying for

[LFAW]

Guys, its a bad update yes, I agree with you as far as that. Ruined casual freestyle, Speed freestyle is still fine

[djt5483]

Guys, its a bad update yes, I agree with you as far as that. Ruined casual freestyle, Speed freestyle is still fine

my connection aint fast enough to compete with the best players in that though... so i think its pointless

[LFAW]

Then foe them

[djt5483]

lol, i guess that could be an option... i gotta get my games down first cuz right now i dont have much time for speed games

[Scott-Land]

Without trudging through 20 pages... anyone briefly tell me what this means? Does it affect speed games and if so how? I've never really played many casual freestyle games and when I have, it was never something anyone did.... I never bothered with it.

I'm in a speed freestyle game atm and noticed a little red square on top of the green go circle. Assuming he can't begin his turn until 2.5 minutes ? Nope he can begin when I can... what's all the fuss about ?

[demonfork]

Without trudging through 20 pages... anyone briefly tell me what this means? Does it affect speed games and if so how? I've never really played many casual freestyle games and when I have, it was never something anyone did.... I never bothered with it.

I'm in a speed freestyle game atm and noticed a little red square on top of the green go circle. Assuming he can't begin his turn until 2.5 minutes ?

In speeders you cant run out of time and immediately start your next turn, wont really affect the esc games that you play (except for the times that you fail on a kill and need to immediately start your next turn to finish the job) but in 1v1 no spoil games you can no longer run out the clock and do a quick drop and attack to break a bonus.

[Scott-Land]

Without trudging through 20 pages... anyone briefly tell me what this means? Does it affect speed games and if so how? I've never really played many casual freestyle games and when I have, it was never something anyone did.... I never bothered with it.

I'm in a speed freestyle game atm and noticed a little red square on top of the green go circle. Assuming he can't begin his turn until 2.5 minutes ?

In speeders you cant run out of time and immediately start your next turn, wont really affect the esc games that you play (except for the times that you fail on a kill and need to immediately start your next turn to finish the job) but in 1v1 no spoil games you can no longer run out the clock and do a quick drop and attack to break a bonus.

Ohh I see... hmm that never came into play much. Granted it's penalizing players for a mistake... because most of the time it's not an intentional run out. Meh- no sweat. Thanks.

EDIT: For speed games (1vs1), it's like changing the fort system on the clock. If you're last to fort, then the other player gets to begin his turn whenever he wants up to 2.5 minutes. System is just adding a 'fort' at the end of the turn if you run out of time... making unlimited forts like a chained fort. Strategically speaking... I dont see how it affects speed freestyle much. Just have to get used to it I guess.

[prismsaber]

What do you mean by playing with lower ranks? If by lower ranks you mean people ranked higher than you, Lieutenant, then sure. Most if not all the partners those players use are in the major + range.

Because they know what they are doing. I could achieve colonel again if I played nothing but team games with my friends who are stripes (because they barely play) but have a lieutenant's skill level at least. In fact you seem to be another team game whore... you were just too low on the scoreboard to be worthy of mention.

Know what they're doing? No striper who plays like a lieutenant knows what they're doing. Moreover, there are plenty of Majors and Colonels who don't have too much of a clue what they're doing.

If you have to use low ranked partners to achieve the measly rank of Colonel, that means you suck.

[john9blue]

Know what they're doing? No striper who plays like a lieutenant knows what they're doing. Moreover, there are plenty of Majors and Colonels who don't have too much of a clue what they're doing.

If you have to use low ranked partners to achieve the measly rank of Colonel, that means you suck.

I'd go through the math of how playing with lower ranked partners gives you more points but it would fall on ignorant ears...

Keep thinking you are a Risk god though.

[prismsaber]

Know what they're doing? No striper who plays like a lieutenant knows what they're doing. Moreover, there are plenty of Majors and Colonels who don't have too much of a clue what they're doing.

If you have to use low ranked partners to achieve the measly rank of Colonel, that means you suck.

I'd go through the math of how playing with lower ranked partners gives you more points but it would fall on ignorant ears...

Keep thinking you are a Risk god though.

well DUH. Playing with Majors is a little different than playing with cooks or stripers. By the way in your sequential team games you've won 3 of 19 for a winning percentage of about 16%. Maybe you are the one who is ignorant. At that rate you couldn't reach Captain with a couple of cooks by your side.

[john9blue]

well DUH. Playing with Majors is a little different than playing with cooks or stripers. By the way in your sequential team games you've won 3 of 19 for a winning percentage of about 16%. Maybe you are the one who is ignorant. At that rate you couldn't reach Captain with a couple of cooks by your side.

Wow. Now you're stalking me?

Okay, in your first 19 seq. team games you won 9. Less than 50%. Now you play exclusively this setting whereas I play every single setting. Considering these games are roughly 5% of my total, you think I really care? I play for fun. I've met a few people like you who obsess over their score by playing the same setting over... and... over... and you are hardly worth arguing with because you think all that matters is a small icon next to your name.

Keep playing under the delusion that being the CC champ makes you a better person than the rest, and keep making yourself look like a douchebag. I don't need to waste my time with you. Bye now!

[prismsaber]

well DUH. Playing with Majors is a little different than playing with cooks or stripers. By the way in your sequential team games you've won 3 of 19 for a winning percentage of about 16%. Maybe you are the one who is ignorant. At that rate you couldn't reach Captain with a couple of cooks by your side.

Wow. Now you're stalking me?

Okay, in your first 19 seq. team games you won 9. Less than 50%. Now you play exclusively this setting whereas I play every single setting. Considering these games are roughly 5% of my total, you think I really care? I play for fun. I've met a few people like you who obsess over their score by playing the same setting over... and... over... and you are hardly worth arguing with because you think all that matters is a small icon next to your name.

Keep playing under the delusion that being the CC champ makes you a better person than the rest, and keep making yourself look like a douchebag. I don't need to waste my time with you. Bye now!

If you are going to stay stupid stuff about a game style that you have no idea how to even competently play and continually show that you have no idea what you are talking about then expect to be called out on it. BTW setting up a strawman by putting words into my mouth is no way to win an argument. Other logical fallacies included in your last post are ad hominem (flaming) and hasty generalization (the - you only play a certain game style therefore you obsess over score, among others). Yes good bye and stick to topics you know a little about.

[Prankcall]

I think people are overestimating the affect it will have on the speed 1v1s that the demons and kp's play. It will however affect the people who need to double-turn in 2v2 and 1v1 casual.

That said, Herps won't drop very far, despite the blanket stereotype that says the only way he wins is by double-turning Moguls.

So yes, the casual freestylers will take a dive, but those at the very top of the scoreboard won't be affected as much.

.44

I mostly agree... but the elimination of the double turn, gets rid of the safety net in some games that have been lost by any other means....

It also really does help protect the newer players, that have no idea what a double turn is....or how to make one, or that they are possible....

this is where the update will change things... for the rest, it just changes the game a little, for the new player, it gives them a fighting chance, where as before they really didnt have one in many cases. Still, they will have to play well, and fast, but at least if they do these things, they may have a better shot at a win. If they dont, they will still lose.

It shouldn't have to be changed to protect anyone.This site is so fucking pathetic when it comes to implementing new updates but they are all Gun-Ho to f*ck up something good.Why I dont understand they are changing it to better suit all the crying non-paying customers is bullshit,the paying customer doesn't have an opinion any-more.

[lilwdlnddude]

well i havent read all of these posts...but it seems like prankcall is not in favor of this new freestyle update.......i would agree.. this update is very retarted....i like playing freestyle because its faster turn by turn in general and the whole game is faster.. if in case i have to quit playing this for awhile i can finish up my games within a reasonable amount of time and might not have to deabeat for a shit ton of games. ive already lost a couple games, i believe because of this new update.....the last person missed their turn and because they missed their turn, i dont get to take my turn??? how is that fair?? i needed to take someone bonus region or take the center spot on oasis game because someone was holding all the middle oasis. as im writing this i could have also been winning a game right now.....but nooooo....5 people in game, 1 person took turn before me and i then took my turn.... bout an hour ago the 24 hours for turns was over and all other 3 people in that game missed their turns.....soooo now I CANT TAKE MY TURN. i really didnt see many people doing much of waiting till end of turn to get a jump for next round, and if i did it was in a speed game with everyone doing the same thing. and im completely fine with that....all in all the post before me.... i think PRANKCALL was right... it is probably the stupid idiot non members (probably low ranks too) that are complaining because they lose to high ranks and say that they lost because of them not ending their turns to get jump for next round. even though they probably were already getting their ass kicked, because ive played with alot of the higher ranked people... they are really skilled... they dont need that to beat you....well im REALLY starting to ramble on and on and on so im done..... new freestyle rule= bullshit

[Mr Changsha]

King_H is barely over 5,000 and KP has dropped to a measly 4,700. Is it the 'No more freestyle double turn effect?'

Or is it a mere coincidence?

I keep reading from the top freestylers that they wouldn't be affected by the rule change, yet I also can't help noticing that the top twos scores are dropping like proverbial stones..

The current conqueror score must be the lowest I've seen for quite a long while. Is 5,000 the new 6,000?

Is Demonfork going to make good on his promise to me in this very thread and grab the top spot?

Or, can a sequential player drag themselves up past the 4,500 mark and just wait for the freestylers to go plummeting down around them?

Can we look forward to a future of players bitching about sequential teams farming their way to the top again..like the good old days?

Or are King_H and KP simply having a breather before shooting back up past 6,000 again?

Finally, will there ever come a day when a sequential flat/no cards player like me actually makes conqueror...? I suspect of all my questions this one might well be the easiest to answer!