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Postby owenshooter on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:26 am

2009-09-22 07:58:23 - lanyards was kicked out for violating the rules

i still don't understand how he will be able to buy back in for 25 bucks, but people
like t-o-m are scorned forever... posting words where only 3 percent of CC'ers ever
visit seems like a far less crime than being a multi. to top it off, andy stated that DM
would never be back because he was busted as a multi after his perma-ban... so why
is lanyards going to be allowed back? makes no sense... if he indeed is not going to be
allowed to buy back in, i retract my statements. just seems odd that words which affect
so few within the forums are treated more harshly than rule violations that affect multiple
users and may drive more than a few away... why can't forum banned members buy back in
for $25 like members that violate the first rule of CC are allowed to do? just wondering if
anyone else has some valid thoughts on this issue...-0

p.s.-and i believe there was a suggestion to mark multi's that buy back in with a colour, kind of
like a scarlet letter... JR, i'm looking at you!!! i know you would love that!!!
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Postby lord voldemort on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:33 am

Post the suggestion in suggs and bugs ;)
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Postby azezzo on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:47 am

i suggested an asterisk *
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Mr Changsha on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:52 am

The view from those in red..

"Playing violations? Violate me again baby! I won't even make you pay double I love it so much!

Form violations? I'm so violated! (sob) Leave me alone you, you...cad! I never wanna see you again!"

It is interesting that those who make an ass of the site can buy back in repeatedly, while those who make an ass of the admins are banished forever...
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby lord voldemort on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:53 am

i know xbox live do similar. If they find someone with a hacked xbox or glitched achievements. They put next to there username big bold CHEATER. As well as changing their details in a similar way
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:54 am

Those who repeatedly violate rules after a buy backs are not allowed to buy back again, just so everyone knows. ;)


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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Strife on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:59 am

Buy backs for forums as well?
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Mr Changsha on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:00 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Those who repeatedly violate rules after a buy backs are not allowed to buy back again, just so everyone knows. ;)


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Just out of interest, is there a defined cut off point? As in can you re-buy more than once?
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Mr Changsha on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:07 am

Strife wrote:Buy backs for forums as well?


Well you'd think there would be wouldn't you?

But in fact trolling could be considered a capital offence (sorry..life with the possibility of parol if you are a) not so pissed off that you actually want to come back and b) commit the crime in this more 'tolerant age') while running, for an example, a multi ring will merely get one the old proverbial slap on the wrist "Its all right sonny..boy will be boys..huh huh...well we all would wouldn't we?..huh huh..."

Such is life in CC!
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Postby owenshooter on Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:34 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Those who repeatedly violate rules after a buy backs are not allowed to buy back again, just so everyone knows. ;)


--Andy

lanyards is a multiple offender with multiple buy backs. the only member of his "bunch" to ever take the dirt nap is Maxatstuy, he also had multiple buy backs... i still find it hard to believe that posting something in the forums that is seen by less than 3 percent of all cc'ers is punished harsher than someone like lanyards that is a repeat offender of the first rule of CC which has an adverse affect on the site...-0
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Blitzaholic on Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:51 pm

Big O if he has violated the rules more than once, then yes, he should and will be banned.

How many times are you saying he cheated or had forms of abuse?
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Artimis on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:38 pm

Mr Changsha wrote:The view from those in red..

"Playing violations? Violate me again baby! I won't even make you pay double I love it so much!

Form violations? I'm so violated! (sob) Leave me alone you, you...cad! I never wanna see you again!"

It is interesting that those who make an ass of the site can buy back in repeatedly, while those who make an ass of the admins are banished forever...


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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Night Strike on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:31 pm

As I stated in another thread a month or two ago, there is a clear rationale for the differences.

The first offense for a multiple account requires the user to buy back in to play. The first offense for a forum violation is just a warning. Therefore, the multi punishment IS much more strict than the forum violations. And it only gets stiffer after that. Multis are not allowed to buy back after a certain amount of times (2 or 3 I believe, but I'm not a hunter/admin to know). Forum violators get multiple warnings/small vacations before they get a very large vacation. And even minor ones no longer result in a permanent ban.

The warnings/small vacations serve as the "buy-ins" without actually having to fork over any money. Owen, I know you like to rip on this one when you get the chance, but you just don't have your facts correct on the issue (or at the very least are misinterpreting the actions).
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby ronsizzle on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:48 pm

all i am going to say is

BRING FLAME WARS BACK
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby ronsizzle on Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:09 am

can i go through some kind of therapy or cc counseling to get back to warning stage?

i have learned my lesson.

i pay money.

i dont give max my pword.

i dont show pics of max.

i dont even know max.

thanks admin.
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Mr Changsha on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:29 am

ronc8649 wrote:can i go through some kind of therapy or cc counseling to get back to warning stage?

i have learned my lesson.

i pay money.

i dont give max my pword.

i dont show pics of max.

i dont even know max.

thanks admin.


Good point! Maybe if we hang out in Q and A for a week being oh so helpful they could drop us down one bar on the 'Offence Level Barometer'?

See it like community service.

I'm at level 4 currently...so 3 weeks of me at my most helpful could see me back at the 'winking pm's stage'..

..ah, how I miss the winking pm's.
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby owenshooter on Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:20 pm

Night Strike wrote:Owen, I know you like to rip on this one when you get the chance, but you just don't have your facts correct on the issue (or at the very least are misinterpreting the actions).

Night Strike, please tell me how a short penal forum ban is in any way equal to someone giving the site $25 dollars. if you can just explain that one simple fact to me, i will be in full agreement with you. but there is no correlation between someone serving out a ban for whatever their transgression was and being allowed back in, and someone PAYING actual money to get back to full member status. furthermore, please explain to me how anyone posting within the forums where less than 3% of CC'ers visit regularly is more detrimental to the site than the scores of serial multis/serial cheats that give CC a black eye every single day. posting in the forums does not affect the gaming experience of this site, CHEATING within games does. just as Farmers were dealt with at the start of this year, serial cheaters/multis should be dealt with also. again, there is no way you can equate a 3 day ban with stuffing 25 bucks into the sites pocket. you break the FIRST RULE of CC and if you pay, you are allowed back in and everything is right with the world... you post enough things that are deemed against the rules of the forums (even if it isn't) and you are tossed from the forums forever, without any chance of buying back in. seems to me something should change...-0
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby colton24 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:22 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Owen, I know you like to rip on this one when you get the chance, but you just don't have your facts correct on the issue (or at the very least are misinterpreting the actions).

Night Strike, please tell me how a short penal forum ban is in any way equal to someone giving the site $25 dollars. if you can just explain that one simple fact to me, i will be in full agreement with you. but there is no correlation between someone serving out a ban for whatever their transgression was and being allowed back in, and someone PAYING actual money to get back to full member status. furthermore, please explain to me how anyone posting within the forums where less than 3% of CC'ers visit regularly is more detrimental to the site than the scores of serial multis/serial cheats that give CC a black eye every single day. posting in the forums does not affect the gaming experience of this site, CHEATING within games does. just as Farmers were dealt with at the start of this year, serial cheaters/multis should be dealt with also. again, there is no way you can equate a 3 day ban with stuffing 25 bucks into the sites pocket. you break the FIRST RULE of CC and if you pay, you are allowed back in and everything is right with the world... you post enough things that are deemed against the rules of the forums (even if it isn't) and you are tossed from the forums forever, without any chance of buying back in. seems to me something should change...-0


My turn. You say that because I would be gone as soon as it(if it does) is implemited.
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby Night Strike on Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:44 pm

Things have already been implemented to not allow multiple accounts to buy back more than once. They only allow them to buy back once or twice (I don't remember which).

I never claimed that a short forum ban was equal to $25. The violations were completely different, so the punishments/reinstatements are completely different. When people get permanently banned from the forums, they're still allowed to play games, which is why money does not come into effect. You're right, cheating in games does detract from the game while forum violations do not, and those cheaters are dealt with swiftly and harshly. When's the last time you've seen a serial multi still playing on the site? Not recently. You're living under past policies, not current ones.
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby ronsizzle on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:30 pm

Night Strike wrote:Things have already been implemented to not allow multiple accounts to buy back more than once. They only allow them to buy back once or twice (I don't remember which).

I never claimed that a short forum ban was equal to $25. The violations were completely different, so the punishments/reinstatements are completely different. When people get permanently banned from the forums, they're still allowed to play games, which is why money does not come into effect. You're right, cheating in games does detract from the game while forum violations do not, and those cheaters are dealt with swiftly and harshly. When's the last time you've seen a serial multi still playing on the site? Not recently. You're living under past policies, not current ones.



first off nightstrike, if you dont know, or remember what is what, you shouldnt be commenting on it.

and if we are living under past policies, maybe you should have the admin. or someone other than you that knows what they are talking about enlighten us.

and i am serious about therapy, or 'community service' as changsha mentioned. maybe if we do a mentoring pilot program for a cook, and teach them how to play, we can get levels knocked off of our warnings. i like the wink smileys too in pm's. i dont like 'you are not authorised to view' shit at all. then having to check my email to figure out what bullshit post you people banned me for.
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Postby owenshooter on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:30 pm

colton24 wrote:My turn. You say that because I would be gone as soon as it(if it does) is implemited.

what the hell are you talking about? you have ONE ban, that is not what we are talking about. please don't troll this thread if you don't understand what is being discussed...-0
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby ronsizzle on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:33 pm

colton24 wrote:
My turn. You say that because I would be gone as soon as it(if it does) is implemited.


NO COTTON. that is not what was said.

cc doesnt revolve around you. it never has. just because we all thought you were a multi, and still do, doesnt mean we think about you constantly.

and the word you tried to implement is implement. i am not sure what implemited is.

i am not trying to flame you, but if you see a red line under a word, that means it is spelled wrong.

you could use words like 'put in place'. or 'started'. something that is easier to spell. ya know. ;)
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby owenshooter on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:33 pm

Night Strike wrote:Things have already been implemented to not allow multiple accounts to buy back more than once. They only allow them to buy back once or twice (I don't remember which).

I never claimed that a short forum ban was equal to $25. The violations were completely different, so the punishments/reinstatements are completely different. When people get permanently banned from the forums, they're still allowed to play games, which is why money does not come into effect. You're right, cheating in games does detract from the game while forum violations do not, and those cheaters are dealt with swiftly and harshly. When's the last time you've seen a serial multi still playing on the site? Not recently. You're living under past policies, not current ones.

very valid points, thank you... however, i still think that if you allow people to buy back into playing games for violating the first fule of CC, you should also allow members to buy back into the forums. i understand your explanation about the bans being multiple opportunities as buy backs are... however, many bans are subjective and many members are on a tightrope due to past rulings that are never reviewed (look back at most of wicked's bans during her "tick period", and you'll see what i mean)... however, to be fair, i do see your point and accept it as a valid counter argument. however, i still think forum users should be given the same opportunity, as they do not affect the side as adversely as multis/farmers/serial cheaters do...-0
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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby jefjef on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:42 pm

Night Strike wrote:Things have already been implemented to not allow multiple accounts to buy back more than once. They only allow them to buy back once or twice (I don't remember which).


HAhahahahahaha. WHAT?

Kind of like maybe I don't know. Could be. Might be. Or not. We don't really know.

Way to not waffle... When I read that statement it reminded me of a few C & A rulings.

So is this the "official" stand of CC?

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Re: players that violate the rules/buying back in

Postby owenshooter on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:59 pm

Mr Changsha wrote:Good point! Maybe if we hang out in Q and A for a week being oh so helpful they could drop us down one bar on the 'Offence Level Barometer'?

See it like community service.

I'm at level 4 currently...so 3 weeks of me at my most helpful could see me back at the 'winking pm's stage'..

or just pay $25 bucks like busted multis/farmers/serial cheaters do... i love the community service idea, but money talks...-0
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