Is it unfair playing?

[josko.ri]

hello everybody

I am new here and have one problem in one tourney that I participate. so situation is:
NFL tournament, 4 groups, and 4 winners and 2 best 2nd place go to playoff.
in my group I am second so I participate in competition to be one of 2 second best.

I looked game in other group that is playing 2nd vs 4th, so I need 4th to win. In game chat I suggested 4th how to play.

from my opinion, it is fair, because in every competition players from one club can go to game of other club and crying, for example to coach: "put ronaldinho out, he plays terrible, put kaka in". it is advice, but it is his decision if he will use advice or not. finally, he plays, not me.

also, giving advices to other player how to play is not forbidden here in nor writing nor unwriting rules http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules

so what do you all (especially experienced players) think? is it fair from me?

[lord voldemort]

nothing against the rules...people might get upset with you though

[Georgerx7di]

I'm going to be very cautious as I reply.

I think its ok.

Often times when there are several players and one is decidedly worse than the rest, someone will suggest a few thing to him. Also if he is doing something that annoys everyone and is bad strategy at the same time, (e.g. leaving 2's or not forting up, in a 6 players std. esc. game), then someone will usually point that out.

At the same time, if you guide someone, turn by turn, to a win; other players tend to get pissed off. So I think, one piece of advice is ok, but not specific moves every turn.

Hope this is helpful.

[josko.ri]

thank you for answering. I gave advice only one turn, after that I was warned from tourney organizer that from his opinion it is not fair and didnt get advices after that warning. but player who played in that game (the one I didnt get advice) wrote to tourney organizer and to me about that so tourney organizer decided to do 3 possibilities:

1- 2nd and 4th can play in a rematch with 2nd choosing map & all settings.
and/or
2 - 2nd can be declared winner by forfeit by Tournament Director.
and/or
3 - I can be charged a forfeit (loss) this week for my involvement in the matter.

so what the others think? is my giving advice one time fair(after warning from tourney organizer I didnt get advices anymore)?

[freakns]

pffffff, playing as patriots... you should be banned just for that only

anyhow, tell mole(the tourney organizer) i told him to shut the hell up. if you arent participating in game, you may write whatever you want in game chat, or even send someone PM regarding his/her tactics. its not against rules and mole didnt write anything about this when opening tourney, so he will be one breaking rules if he forfeit you from tourney...
now, the other question is your sense of fairness. what do you think, how fun would be if i enter every game you are playing and start giving advices to your opponent? dont tell me you would be OK with it because its not me who plays the game...

[josko.ri]

I think it is ok, because my playoff also (indirect) depends on that game. I also wrote in game chat that anybody anytime may go to my game and give advices to my opponent, it will be even greater pleasure to win vs both of them
if I am better and deserve winning in that game by my playing, noone advice can give win to my opponent.

if it is not with sense of fairness, then it should be written here http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules in unwritten rules column, but it is not written there.

I think my ratings (5,0) also proves that I am fair player. that s why I started this topic, to see what most of CC players think about this, and (depending of that) to do or not to do it again in future tourneys.

[mgconstruction]

Oh good lord are we really going to do this after damn near 20 PM's?

K here goes, my one & only reply to this which will have no outcome on the tourney

Chapter one

I receive a PM from josko.ri saying he thinks a player is throwing a game. A game that inadvertently may or may not effect his playoff scenario. After looking in game & map ranking the player I found that the player in question has 48 total games finished & has never played on that map. So to answer his PM it was quite obvious the player was a newbie.

josko.ri than PM's me back saying how that is an unfair advantage for the new player and that is is unfair to everyone in tourney.

I then PM him back explaining the NFL tourney is set up to where everyone has 5 away games(maps) & 5 home games(maps) and that when a player is on their home map that is their "Home Field Advantage".

There is nothing unfair or trivial about this. The entire tourney is based of the premise that good teams will win on their home maps & great teams will win both. Being that josko.ri didn't like my reply he went into game chat & did the following...

2009-12-22 16:56:52 - MyTurnToWin: Hello & GL
2009-12-23 06:15:27 - josko.ri: go duke, take him qing in right down corner and kuomintang in left side
2009-12-23 06:17:09 - josko.ri: duke, do you have BOB script installed? you are new player, so that s why I am asking
2009-12-23 11:41:19 - josko.ri: duke, he will receive 2 troops bonus for hol
2009-12-23 11:42:02 - josko.ri: for holding 3 areas in left side of the screen. you could attack that areas from japan
2009-12-23 11:43:06 - josko.ri: and he will get 3 bonus army for holdin 2 areas in right
2009-12-23 11:43:14 - josko.ri: in right down corner
2009-12-23 11:44:02 - josko.ri: you could attack all that areas from japan
2009-12-23 15:06:04 - josko.ri: duke, putall your troops to japan, attack KMT army and from that point you can conquer whole area and enter in area Emp.pu Yi

Chapter two

I then get a PM from the player who's home map this is, complaining that josko.ri is taking away his home field advantage in the game. I then go into game chat & read what is going on.
I PM josko.ri asking him very politely to please stop helping player in the tourney game chat & suggest to him that maybe he can PM the player & set up a private game to teach him how to play. I Again explained how in tournament games this is frowned upon, especially in one the involves "Home Field Advantage".

I even PMed the new player with info about SOC & said if he has any questions feel free to ask.

josko.ri and home player then added this to game chat......

2009-12-24 11:13:59 - josko.ri: I apologize for giving advices how to play, MG told me that it is not fair, so sorry
2009-12-24 11:14:52 - josko.ri: I just had opinion that dukejustice dont have clickable script, so on this map he cant see which areas get bonus
2009-12-24 11:16:23 - josko.ri: gl both
2009-12-24 13:46:33 - MyTurnToWin: duke... just for the record, I don't have a clickable map either.
2009-12-25 19:10:30 - josko.ri: I said wrong, clickable map script is not necesarry for this map, but BOB script is very important, especially for the player that plays this map first time, like duke justice because here is hard to recognize which areas get bonus and...
2009-12-25 19:12:30 - josko.ri: ...and which areas have borders between them. this map is your home map, so I am sure you know every border and area bonus on this map, even without any script.
2009-12-25 19:13:18 - josko.ri: I am not sure if duke justice knew for that without script installed
2009-12-25 21:36:06 - MyTurnToWin: Josko: you are an unethical player. You had no business interfering in our game.
2009-12-25 21:36:34 - MyTurnToWin: AND I also do NOT have BOB.
2009-12-25 21:37:08 - MyTurnToWin: Each player in this tourney got to choose a HOME MAP. Duke has his, you have yours, I have mine.
2009-12-26 08:39:10 - josko.ri: each player can also choose if he wants advices or not. so why do you choose it for duke justice?
2009-12-26 08:42:33 - josko.ri: and where is fair play when one player knows where are bonus areas and other dont know?
2009-12-26 08:43:58 - josko.ri: and finally, go to my game if you want and give advices to my opponent. it will be greater pleasure to win vs both of you
2009-12-26 08:46:28 - josko.ri: go duke beat him
2009-12-26 12:55:27 - MyTurnToWin: Duke, one thing you should know. Josko wrote the Tourney director and accused you of cheating, saying you were throwing the game so I could win. He has no interest in "fair", it is all about him winning.
2009-12-26 14:11:11 - josko.ri: I wrote that it is ONE OF POSSIBLITIES why duke playing like thta, but it was in round 2 and 3, after that duke started to play normally. in round 2 and 3 you had 13 units on japan and didnt attack Sun Yat-sen which had 1 units and MTTW get 2 times...
2009-12-26 14:13:00 - josko.ri: ...area bonus. so it was 2 possibilities for that playing: not to kmnowe which areas get bonus or cheating. and I wrote to MGconstruction that he put his eye on this game to avoid every unfair playing.
2009-12-26 14:13:57 - josko.ri: Mgconstruction, if you read this here, I let you that you copy here what I write to you, so everybody can see it.
2009-12-26 14:16:00 - josko.ri: I think now MyTurnToWin wants that you let him free win speaking about me like I am cheater, not to deserve it with fair battle.

[mgconstruction]

Chapter three

I now am now getting numerous PM's from both these players mostly josko.ri, with their arguments on the matter, about 12 total I believe.

I then PMed the following

Re guarding Game 6150916

If you will notice I have sent this to all parties involved including their partners so there is no misunderstanding.

My view on this matter is a team that is playing on their home map has an advantage for a reason. In NFL football its called "Home field Advantage".

For another team not playing in that game to come into another teams game for the purpose of helping that team win is considered very bad sportsmanship at the least.

If you went into your partners game (still frowned upon by some)to help him, that is different because you would have a "Direct" tie to that game being its a direct part of your record. Another team winning or losing to help you make the playoffs is NOT a "direct" tie to that game but an "Indirect" one.

We could go into 10 games a week for the whole season & find players who have not played on the other teams home maps. That is why every team got 5 home games & 5 away games.

If you went into another teams stadium & cheered the team on you needed to win that would be fine. But if you ran on the field & stole the ball out of the air to prevent the home team from scoring you would probably be arrested.

As I told MyTurnToWin yesterday, I would hope to wait it out & see what happens only because dealing with such issues leaves a nasty taste in everyone's mouth. If he was to win that game I was gonna let it go & PM joski to please not do that anymore. However I am still receiving complaints about it as of this evening so I guess its inevitable for me to deal with the issue.

These are my feelings on this but that really doesn't matter at this point. Because I am also playing in this tourney I have removed myself from the decision making on the issue at hand & passed it on to a mod not playing in this tourney to look at it.

What he decides I will abide by & so will everyone involved.

Thanks,
MG

Again I am getting more PM's.

I go into game chat & say......

2009-12-26 15:54:41 - mgconstruction: Joski, PLEASE STAY OUT OF THIS GAME CHAT. Thanks

Again, I get more PM's

After I get the Moderators opinion I PM them again with this....

[mgconstruction]

Chapter 4

After I get the Moderators opinion I PM them again with this....Keep in mind, this is after 18 PM's in 3 days beating the same dead horse over & over again & probably should have waited a day to reply

K, this is the last time I'm gonna PM about this until I rule on this matter, which will not be until the game in question is complete.

For one, the activity in game chat I encouraged is for "Smack Talk". Not telling another player how to play that map, which in any kind of tourney is unethical and in most cases against the tourney rules. If you cannot decipher between the two than I would suggest that you stay out of the other tournament games period.
And please do not try & twist the meaning of my words for the Smack talk contest, there is no comparison from Smack Talk to cheating. One has nothing to do with the other.

As Tournament Director this is my Official PM warning that any future involvement of helping other players win their tourney game by telling them what moves to make will result in immediate removal from tournament. Furthermore the arguments on this matter need to stop immediately

As far as it not being fair to a player to play on a map they don't know. That is the whole point to home field advantage. This entire tourney is based on the notion that the stronger teams will overcome the other teams home field advantage. Well rounded teams will not only win on their own home maps but will win on some away maps as well. There is nothing unfair about this when that's what the tourney is based on. Everyone signing up knew this. It was & is well documented in the first post of tourney thread about the rules, games being played, home maps etc. Your personal feelings on this do not matter, this is what the tourney is based on. Having an advantage in half your games & trying to overcome that advantage in the other half. There is nothing trivial about this. This is what the tourney is based on, so any arguments to the contrary are mute.

Please do not try to justify a forfeit being any more unfair than what has happened here. What happened here is no different than you signing onto his account & playing for him. Anyone can click a mouse when told what moves to make. This completely took away home field advantage for MyTurnToWin.

Duke please do not take this as a slight to you. You are a new player & are not expected to play well on these kind of maps yet. Also, please do not let this discourage you from learning from others including myself. Tournaments have a stronger set of ethics than regular games. Regular games or Private Games are where you should be getting tutorage from. Society of cooks will help you make tremendous strides in game play & teach you a ton including all the cool add ons for games to help you. Here's the link viewforum.php?f=341

After speaking with a tournament Moderator, It is the Tournament Moderators opinion that the following disciplinary actions should be considered but is left up to me as the Tournament Director.

1- MyTurnToWin and duke justice can play in a rematch with MyTurnToWin choosing map & all settings.
and/or
2 - MyTurnToWin can be declared winner by forfeit by Tournament Director.
and/or
3 - josko.ri can be charged a forfeit (loss) this week for his involvement in the matter.

Any or ALL of these can be implemented when the game ends.

Now as I said before, I wanted to wait this game out & see what happens because no matter what my decision is, it will leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth, including my own.

Funny thing is If MyTurnToWin wins the game then this whole cheating thing would have been mute on the outcome but some of you just have keep it going. I suggest all of you let this go until the games over & I make my decision.

Furthermore, If still needed, I want my decision to have the least effect on the outcome of playoff spots gained or lost but at the same time keep the integrity of this tournament intact.

Regards,
MG

There, I've said my peace & will not be returning to this thread as like I said when I started. Nothing here will have any bearing on what happens in tourney anyway.

After this BS I think I will go back to just playing & not running Tourneys anymore. It's a lot more fun when all you got to do is play

[josko.ri]

Being that josko.ri didn't like my reply he went into game chat & did the following...

2009-12-22 16:56:52 - MyTurnToWin: Hello & GL
2009-12-23 06:15:27 - josko.ri: go duke, take him qing in right down corner and kuomintang in left side
2009-12-23 06:17:09 - josko.ri: duke, do you have BOB script installed? you are new player, so that s why I am asking
2009-12-23 11:41:19 - josko.ri: duke, he will receive 2 troops bonus for hol
2009-12-23 11:42:02 - josko.ri: for holding 3 areas in left side of the screen. you could attack that areas from japan
2009-12-23 11:43:06 - josko.ri: and he will get 3 bonus army for holdin 2 areas in right
2009-12-23 11:43:14 - josko.ri: in right down corner
2009-12-23 11:44:02 - josko.ri: you could attack all that areas from japan
2009-12-23 15:06:04 - josko.ri: duke, putall your troops to japan, attack KMT army and from that point you can conquer whole area and enter in area Emp.pu Yi

the bold quote isnt true, I wrote this advices in game chat BEFORE any reply from you.
your first reply about that was sent on December 24, 2:46 a.m., so it was AFTER all my suggestions in game chat, not before it.
so, after your first reply to me, I apologized in game chat (chapter two) and didnt repeat any advice again.

After this BS I think I will go back to just playing & not running Tourneys anymore. It's a lot more fun when all you got to do is play

It s true that it is more fun only to play, but dont be dissapointed because of that problems. I played about 20 tourneys and your and The random map duel are 2 my favourite tourneys, really fun to participate in. problem is that nobody wrote clearly rules about helping other players in other games, that s the reason because I started this topic, to see what most of players think about that. again I said, if it is not sportmanship behaviour, it can be written in unwritten rules column, so everybody can see it.
so, dont be dissapointed because of this problems that I made to you, I really didnt want to cause it, but it happened due to a lot of different circumstances.

[HighlanderAttack]

I can give my input here and trust me I hate MyTurnToWin or whatever his name is.

For you to go in and tell the other player how to play is unethical and I would consider it cheating. It is his game to play, not yours. I hope MyTurnToWin loses but I would never go in and tell a player play by play how to take his turn.


It is cheap.

[safariguy5]

I feel that personally, as George and LV have stated, it is probably not something that people will appreciate, but that you can do. This falls under the whole announcing where people are in foggy games area in my mind. It's probably not very sporting, but it's something that people can and will do if they choose to. I think that home field advantage is terribly overrated anyways. Against a good player, you won't have a home field advantage unless you choose an overly obscure map. Also, no strategy will succeed over bad dice, lucky rainbow sets, and great drops. So, yes it is ok, but I don't think the threatened consequences are warranted. A polite request to refrain from doing so in the future is all that's warranted IMHO.

[nippersean]

From Community Guidelines

Chats of Games you are not in

* It is typically advised to not post in the chats of games you are not playing. If you do wish to post in another player's game, please keep your comments limited to a Good Luck comment or a quick question. Spamming or trolling other player's games is not allowed.

[josko.ri]

in communitiy guidelines start page it is written "Please take a moment to stop by and learn the rules of our forum before posting", so it was not obvious that there write rules about chat and gameplay, it was written that there are rules about forum posting.

also from community guidelines:

Rule Enforcement

* Breaking the Game Chat rules will typically earn you a warning for your first offense.

and after the warning from Mgconstruction, which was my first warning, I didnt give any new advices.

thanks everybody for answering

[alster]

The tourney organizer of course sets whatever particular rules to apply to his or her tournament.

Generally though, from a C&A perspective, tournaments are seen as a whole, e.g. it's perfectly fine to suicide in a tournament game if that is intended to help yourself advance in or win the tournament (something that is considered an abuse in a stand-alone game).

[colton24]

Chapter two

I then get a PM from the player who's home map this is, complaining that josko.ri is taking away his home field advantage in the game. I then go into game chat & read what is going on.
I PM josko.ri asking him very politely to please stop helping player in the tourney game chat & suggest to him that maybe he can PM the player & set up a private game to teach him how to play. I Again explained how in tournament games this is frowned upon, especially in one the involves "Home Field Advantage".

I even PMed the new player with info about SOC & said if he has any questions feel free to ask.

josko.ri and home player then added this to game chat......

2009-12-24 11:13:59 - josko.ri: I apologize for giving advices how to play, MG told me that it is not fair, so sorry
2009-12-24 11:14:52 - josko.ri: I just had opinion that dukejustice dont have clickable script, so on this map he cant see which areas get bonus
2009-12-24 11:16:23 - josko.ri: gl both
2009-12-24 13:46:33 - MyTurnToWin: duke... just for the record, I don't have a clickable map either.
2009-12-25 19:10:30 - josko.ri: I said wrong, clickable map script is not necesarry for this map, but BOB script is very important, especially for the player that plays this map first time, like duke justice because here is hard to recognize which areas get bonus and...
2009-12-25 19:12:30 - josko.ri: ...and which areas have borders between them. this map is your home map, so I am sure you know every border and area bonus on this map, even without any script.
2009-12-25 19:13:18 - josko.ri: I am not sure if duke justice knew for that without script installed
2009-12-25 21:36:06 - MyTurnToWin: Josko: you are an unethical player. You had no business interfering in our game.
2009-12-25 21:36:34 - MyTurnToWin: AND I also do NOT have BOB.
2009-12-25 21:37:08 - MyTurnToWin: Each player in this tourney got to choose a HOME MAP. Duke has his, you have yours, I have mine.
2009-12-26 08:39:10 - josko.ri: each player can also choose if he wants advices or not. so why do you choose it for duke justice?
2009-12-26 08:42:33 - josko.ri: and where is fair play when one player knows where are bonus areas and other dont know?
2009-12-26 08:43:58 - josko.ri: and finally, go to my game if you want and give advices to my opponent. it will be greater pleasure to win vs both of you
2009-12-26 08:46:28 - josko.ri: go duke beat him
2009-12-26 12:55:27 - MyTurnToWin: Duke, one thing you should know. Josko wrote the Tourney director and accused you of cheating, saying you were throwing the game so I could win. He has no interest in "fair", it is all about him winning.
2009-12-26 14:11:11 - josko.ri: I wrote that it is ONE OF POSSIBLITIES why duke playing like thta, but it was in round 2 and 3, after that duke started to play normally. in round 2 and 3 you had 13 units on japan and didnt attack Sun Yat-sen which had 1 units and MTTW get 2 times...
2009-12-26 14:13:00 - josko.ri: ...area bonus. so it was 2 possibilities for that playing: not to kmnowe which areas get bonus or cheating. and I wrote to MGconstruction that he put his eye on this game to avoid every unfair playing.
2009-12-26 14:13:57 - josko.ri: Mgconstruction, if you read this here, I let you that you copy here what I write to you, so everybody can see it.
2009-12-26 14:16:00 - josko.ri: I think now MyTurnToWin wants that you let him free win speaking about me like I am cheater, not to deserve it with fair battle.

MG it looks like he was stopping, but was dragged back into it. Just because he is trying to help a noob doesn't mean you need to charge him a forfiet just because he was trying to help someone.

[SuicidalSnowman]

My two cents (that nobody has asked for):

I see no problem with players having a long term tournament strategy. And besides, who says his advice is any good?

Having said that, it is MG's tournament. He can set the rules as he wants. If he decided that was against the rules, and handled that with a forfeit, then who cares?

And MG, to make running tournaments fun, do what Amazzony always puts in her tournament rules:

I'm your Goddess and what I say, goes in this tournament. If I feel that something needs changing then I have the right to do if it's fair to everybody and is in the benefit of the tournament.

You felt it was unfair, corrected it to the best of your ability, forge ahead!

[josko.ri]

If he decided that was against the rules, and handled that with a forfeit, then who cares?

he didnt write in tournament rules that it is against the rules. he wrote me warning after I gave advice that it is not fair from his opinion, and after warning I didnt give any advice again, and I apologized for giving it before.

[Georgerx7di]

If he decided that was against the rules, and handled that with a forfeit, then who cares?

he didnt write in tournament rules that it is against the rules. he wrote me warning after I gave advice that it is not fair from his opinion, and after warning I didnt give any advice again, and I apologized for giving it before.

Look, its unfair, give it up. The eagles want the viking to loose this week so that they can get a first round bye, but they are not allowed to loan Desean Jackson to the Giants, or play the game for them. It's over, you're wrong, stop doing it.

[josko.ri]

I didnt loan anybody. anybody from the Eagles can go to the game of Giants and crying like fan whole game to players of Giants what to do. I was spectator in that game and I told what to do, but only before MG's warning. I did it in round 2 and 3. the game had 16 rounds.

[Georgerx7di]

I didnt loan anybody. anybody from the Eagles can go to the game of Giants and crying like fan whole game to players of Giants what to do. I was spectator in that game and I told what to do, but only before MG's warning. I did it in round 2 and 3. the game had 16 rounds.

Ok, sorry I think I posted without reading everything. I think if you stopped after the first round then it shouldn't be considered a big deal. Again, my fault, I should have read the whole thread before posting.

[SuicidalSnowman]

I didnt loan anybody. anybody from the Eagles can go to the game of Giants and crying like fan whole game to players of Giants what to do. I was spectator in that game and I told what to do, but only before MG's warning. I did it in round 2 and 3. the game had 16 rounds.

Hmm... perhaps I misunderstood as well.

Nonetheless, this still is fairly inappropriate behavior, and although you might not like it, I don't think MG broke any rules with his actions. My advice to you would be to not join his tournaments in the future.

[freakns]

ill try to explain this on serbian(josko will understand), so we can move from this

josko jebote, smorio si za sve pare... nisam ni procitao sta ste sve trabunjali...

svi ti kazu jedno te isto. nije striktno protiv pravila, ali niko to ne voli i u zavisnosti od igraca do igraca, neki bi to smatrali prevarom. znam da si stao nakon sto te je mole zamolio da dalje to ne radis, tako da zaista ne vidim cemu dalja prepirka. da bi dokazao da si fair play igrac?! pa onda cutis samo, ovako ce vise ljudi pomisliti da trazis rupe u pravilima... mani se corava posla ja sam sada izgubio turnir, zavrsio sam drugi, i to tako sto me je igrac koji nije imao nikakve sanse da dobije turnir unistio u 3 partije i prakticno ih predao drugome igracu, koji je na kraju zavrsio sa 7 pobeda, ja sam bio drugi sa 6(treceplasirani je imao 3, svi ostali 2 ili manje). da li sam pizdeo oko toga?! pa nije mi bilo milo jer sam izgubio finale turnira u koji sam ulozio dosta vremena, i sve vreme sam bio prvi, ali na kraju covek koji je mene sjebao nije igrao protiv mene, igrao je da pobedi u tim partijama! point is, desice ti se XY puta sranja na koja neces moci da utices, i umesto da setas okolo i uplices se u druge partije, zapitaj se zasto nisi prvi na tabeli pa bi te bilo bas briga kako ce se zavrsiti ta partija i onda tresni jednu rakiju
i iz svega sto si napisao, vidim da si fer igrac i da ti je bitnije da ljudi nastave da misle o tebi kao fer igracu, nego da odes dalje u turniru... zato jednostavno nemoj dalje da se raspravljas, pusti to, nadji drugi turnir, i uzivaj

pozdrav iz NS i sretna nova godina brate

[josko.ri]

ti si ispao(svojim igranjem i igranjem drugih igraca), ali ja sam izbacen. dvije potpuno razlicite stvari. i nakon sto sam usao u turnir kao zamjena sa skorom 0-2-2 i dosao na prag playoffa, on me izbaci iz turnira. super
a sve sam ucinio da ispravim svoju gresku

i tebi sve najbolje i sorry sto moras sve ovo citat, ali se osjecam potpuno jadno i prevareno.

[Georgerx7di]

ill try to explain this on serbian(josko will understand), so we can move from this

josko jebote, smorio si za sve pare... nisam ni procitao sta ste sve trabunjali...

svi ti kazu jedno te isto. nije striktno protiv pravila, ali niko to ne voli i u zavisnosti od igraca do igraca, neki bi to smatrali prevarom. znam da si stao nakon sto te je mole zamolio da dalje to ne radis, tako da zaista ne vidim cemu dalja prepirka. da bi dokazao da si fair play igrac?! pa onda cutis samo, ovako ce vise ljudi pomisliti da trazis rupe u pravilima... mani se corava posla ja sam sada izgubio turnir, zavrsio sam drugi, i to tako sto me je igrac koji nije imao nikakve sanse da dobije turnir unistio u 3 partije i prakticno ih predao drugome igracu, koji je na kraju zavrsio sa 7 pobeda, ja sam bio drugi sa 6(treceplasirani je imao 3, svi ostali 2 ili manje). da li sam pizdeo oko toga?! pa nije mi bilo milo jer sam izgubio finale turnira u koji sam ulozio dosta vremena, i sve vreme sam bio prvi, ali na kraju covek koji je mene sjebao nije igrao protiv mene, igrao je da pobedi u tim partijama! point is, desice ti se XY puta sranja na koja neces moci da utices, i umesto da setas okolo i uplices se u druge partije, zapitaj se zasto nisi prvi na tabeli pa bi te bilo bas briga kako ce se zavrsiti ta partija i onda tresni jednu rakiju
i iz svega sto si napisao, vidim da si fer igrac i da ti je bitnije da ljudi nastave da misle o tebi kao fer igracu, nego da odes dalje u turniru... zato jednostavno nemoj dalje da se raspravljas, pusti to, nadji drugi turnir, i uzivaj

pozdrav iz NS i sretna nova godina brate

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