OlJock99 wrote:So, the last time I checked the rankings (early Nov/late Oct), Nemesis was 3rd. Too high in my opinion, but there we were. Checked it and we're 26th.
A) that was an old ladder
B) that was generally acknowledged to be a faulty ladder, as even Nemesis leadership (IIRC) admitted that #3 was way way too high
C) given that you guys just got your clock cleaned by Empire, I would worry more about your clan cohesion and gameplay than your current ranking
THOTA: dingdingdingdingdingdingBOOM
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OlJock99 wrote:So, the last time I checked the rankings (early Nov/late Oct), Nemesis was 3rd. Too high in my opinion, but there we were. Checked it and we're 26th.
The new system fixes what was wrong with the old system. If you want to get to the top 10 you must play them first. In other words play some A clans.
OlJock99 wrote:So, the last time I checked the rankings (early Nov/late Oct), Nemesis was 3rd. Too high in my opinion, but there we were. Checked it and we're 26th.
A) that was an old ladder
B) that was generally acknowledged to be a faulty ladder, as even Nemesis leadership (IIRC) admitted that #3 was way way too high
C) given that you guys just got your clock cleaned by Empire, I would worry more about your clan cohesion and gameplay than your current ranking
OlJock99 wrote:So, the last time I checked the rankings (early Nov/late Oct), Nemesis was 3rd. Too high in my opinion, but there we were. Checked it and we're 26th.
A) that was an old ladder
B) that was generally acknowledged to be a faulty ladder, as even Nemesis leadership (IIRC) admitted that #3 was way way too high
C) given that you guys just got your clock cleaned by Empire, I would worry more about your clan cohesion and gameplay than your current ranking
Kind of harsh.... The real reason is that you have to have played an A ranked clan to be higher than that. Our challenge isn't officially over yet (1 game remaining). When that is over (even with the margin of victory), you will move up a little. I still think we need a 2nd kind of ranking (like a coaches poll) to go along side this one. Problem is that not everyone knows one another and it is a bit of work I imagine. JP does more than enough already.
What Incandenza said in the 2nd part of C holds true though. worry more about solidifying your teams. Ranking is arbitrary. We all like to scoreboard watch, but people know who the top clans are because they've played against them and seen the quality of game play and they've seen what the have done to others. Like I said elsewhere. I know Nemesis will bounce back with a vengeance. A tough loss either makes you or breaks you. The heart of your clan is tough. I know it will be a strong comeback.
Incandenza wrote:C) given that you guys just got your clock cleaned by Empire, I would worry more about your clan cohesion and gameplay than your current ranking
and given that you are in clan war against TSM and you are losing, i suggest you do the same.
jpcloet wrote:I agree the B clans will look weird but, I could leave them all out then until they face an A rated clan and call them all unrated. I'd love to do a pure leap frog table with semi-standardized challenge setups and rules, but a number of clans are hung up on "home games".
I like having an unrated pool. Makes the ladder less cluttered. No debut on the ladder until the clan has faced one A clan and one B clan.
Sounds good ???
jpcloet wrote:I agree the B clans will look weird but, I could leave them all out then until they face an A rated clan and call them all unrated. I'd love to do a pure leap frog table with semi-standardized challenge setups and rules, but a number of clans are hung up on "home games".
I like having an unrated pool. Makes the ladder less cluttered. No debut on the ladder until the clan has faced one A clan and one B clan.
Sounds good ???
I'm not fond of the idea that you have to play a B-level clan. My clan is playing our forth clan war against A-level clans. It would seem silly if we had to go back and play a B clan.
p.s. We gotta get clan war wins and losses on that ranking system. Winning the clan war is the object, it literally needs to be in the equation somewhere. I would be happy to help out with developing a better equation. We'll have a good idea that we have the right equation when it yields thota number 1 and monki's as number 2.
Perhaps we could could have top clan players vote on where clans should be ranked, and then try some equations to see which one fits closely to that.
I will continue to post the current ladder, however, I'm not going to answer all the questions about what people think is wrong with this ladder. The original ladder suggestion could not be agreed upon, however, we are getting back to that original ladder (as also recommended by admin) sometime soon I hope. Until then, please take this with a grain of salt as a simplified measurement tool.
According to the rankings we have had 2 A-level and 1 B-level matches, but with the new additions to the A-level all 3 of our matches should be against A-level clans (Legion, O&H, L4D).
1. THOTA (to be the best you have to beat them)
1a. TSM
2. EMPIRE
2a. TOFU (2 and 2a. need to play each other)
And then: Everyone else. Really, it's impossible to make a quantitative judgment of the clans against one another without having someone feeling their ox has been gored.
