"Straight" Capitalsm....(PLAYER57832)

[Phatscotty]

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

PLAYER57832. when was the last time USA had "straight" capitalism?

[PLAYER57832]

USA hasn't had 100% absolute capitolism. We came close prior to the turn of the century, but that's about it.

Your point?

[Phatscotty]

USA hasn't had 100% absolute capitolism. We came close prior to the turn of the century, but that's about it.

Your point?

well, we have to start over. can you please...read the title....of the thread....

It's YOUR quote!


you can narrow it down to a decade.

[PLAYER57832]

USA hasn't had 100% absolute capitolism. We came close prior to the turn of the century, but that's about it.

Your point?

well, we have to start over. can you please...read the title....of the thread....

It's YOUR quote!
.

which quote?

[Phatscotty]

USA hasn't had 100% absolute capitolism. We came close prior to the turn of the century, but that's about it.

Your point?

well, we have to start over. can you please...read the title....of the thread....

It's YOUR quote!
.

which quote?

okay, I see you have finally finished reading the title of the thread. now, for the next step player. Continue that "reading thing" in the first post of the title thread. there, you can see and read your own quote.

[Snorri1234]

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

PLAYER57832. when was the last time USA had "straight" capitalism?

What the f*ck?

[PLAYER57832]

USA hasn't had 100% absolute capitolism. We came close prior to the turn of the century, but that's about it.

Your point?

well, we have to start over. can you please...read the title....of the thread....

It's YOUR quote!
.

which quote?

okay, I see you have finally finished reading the title of the thread. now, for the next step player. Continue that "reading thing" in the first post of the title thread. there, you can see and read your own quote.

Problem is you never quoted me. And I never said the US had unrestrained Capitolism.
I said that socialism has not failed and that capitolism has, throughout history. Pretty clear if you read the rest of the comments.

so you wasted a whole thread showing everybody that you cannot read.

[Phatscotty]

you are dodging your own quote? at the top of this page? that you made 30 minutes ago! Hmm, I think that means I win, without ever having to initiate the discussion on the actual issue!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qae_TUT ... re=related

History repeating itself....daily

[PLAYER57832]

you are dodging your own quote? at the top of this page? that you made 30 minutes ago! Hmm, I think that means I win, without ever having to initiate the discussion on the actual issue!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qae_TUT ... re=related

History repeating itself....daily

Try reading.

I never mentioned the USA.

Oh, and I started a thread just "for you". Only I have a good deal more evidence for mine.

[lurkerleader]

From that quote of player's it does not imply that USA has had this 'straight' capitalism... Just that if they did, it would have failed.

What I am curious about is when did either fail? I know the ideals of communism or at least Marx's influence, helped predict that pure capitalism would collapse on itself over time, and once this was accepted, they changed a couple ways to counter it from happening (such as government intervention)

[Phatscotty]

From that quote of player's it does not imply that USA has had this 'straight' capitalism... Just that if they did, it would have failed.

What I am curious about is when did either fail? I know the ideals of communism or at least Marx's influence, helped predict that pure capitalism would collapse on itself over time, and once this was accepted, they changed a couple ways to counter it from happening (such as government intervention)

well, i guess, unless something lasts forever, they are all doomed to fail. and also, players quote DID imply, that "straight" capitalism HAS failed. oh no, couldnt be talking about USA...no no no not at all.

[PLAYER57832]

From that quote of player's it does not imply that USA has had this 'straight' capitalism... Just that if they did, it would have failed.

What I am curious about is when did either fail? I know the ideals of communism or at least Marx's influence, helped predict that pure capitalism would collapse on itself over time, and once this was accepted, they changed a couple ways to counter it from happening (such as government intervention)

well, i guess, unless something lasts forever, they are all doomed to fail. and also, players quote DID imply, that "straight" capitalism HAS failed. oh no, couldnt be talking about USA...no no no not at all.

No, I was referring to history a good deal prior to the US.

Capitolism was the original human condition.

[AAFitz]

Ive seen chimps communicate more effectively.

No insult to either of you, but seriously...

We have luckily evolved far past pure capitalism. Pure capitalism really was never even an objective of the US.

Pure capitalism is really every man for himself, no matter what. Its really chaos, and ultimately is not good for nearly any individual.

The general idea of capitalism however, that people work as they wish to make the best life they can for themselves, inside of a certain framework of rules, is something quite different, and far more useful for a society. Problems arise because of the communist/capitalism fight of the cold war, that still make any slight on capitalism a seemingly evil thing, when in actuality, pure capitalism, could be considered more evil than any other system ever devised. But, its semantics, and within every type of economic system there are degrees which define it much more than the singular name itself, and the devil is truly in those details.

It is how an economic system is used which defines its success, and it is more than possible to make all work under certain conditions, and all fail under others...its all how it is implemented, and the key is freedom of people to make their own choices within it, which is why the US has had such success with its system.

[Phatscotty]

you are dodging your own quote? at the top of this page? that you made 30 minutes ago! Hmm, I think that means I win, without ever having to initiate the discussion on the actual issue!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qae_TUT ... re=related

History repeating itself....daily

Try reading.

I never mentioned the USA.

Oh, and I started a thread just "for you". Only I have a good deal more evidence for mine.

oh i see. so, which other historical example of "straight" capitalism was it that you were referring to failing?

[Phatscotty]

Again, here is players quote...

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

here is the page Player quoted it on

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 2&start=30

Player said straight capitalism has failed. I really only wanted to ask, what example of straight capitalism are you citing as having failed?

[Phatscotty]

so, Player has been completely discredited on basic economics and flushed out of her hate nest? whats the deal player

[silvanricky]

Holy shit, this thread is hilarious!! Both Phatscotty and Player have been arguing about "straight" capitolism. Is that a belief that capitols run by heterosexuals will lead to economic prosperity?

[PLAYER57832]

Holy shit, this thread is hilarious!! Both Phatscotty and Player have been arguing about "straight" capitolism. Is that a belief that capitols run by heterosexuals will lead to economic prosperity?

As good as the definition Phattscotty seems to want to use, I suppose.

[PLAYER57832]

so, Player has been completely discredited on basic economics and flushed out of her hate nest? whats the deal player

About the only times humanity has seen pure capitolism is during periods of no government and anarchy. It is always reigned in by the implementation of government and order. The only exception might be in very, very small units. However, whilst small units of communism can and do exist (for that matter, many families are essentially communistic), even small units of capitolism tend to fail because at some point other people just don't like being bullied.

See, the problem is use of extremes. What you want to call "capitalism" is not "pure capitalism".

The reason I brought it up was because you keep insisting that any move toward anything but an absolutely free market and capitolism is exactly the same as communism. Your position is plain silly.

[daddy1gringo]

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

PLAYER57832. when was the last time USA had "straight" capitalism?

What the f*ck?

They mean as opposed to gay capitolism{sic}. That's either where homosexuals own all the means of production or where they decide the location of the seat of government for all regions, I think.

[daddy1gringo]

But seriously, I'm not sure there ever has been pure capitalism, unless you say that feudalism qualifies. The bourgoisie developed with the remnants of the feudal system around, and by the time modern thinking did away with ruling aristocracy anywhere, it had also instituted at least some humanitarian curbs on rampant greed. Or have I missed something?

[PLAYER57832]

But seriously, I'm not sure there ever has been pure capitalism, unless you say that feudalism qualifies. The bourgoisie developed with the remnants of the feudal system around, and by the time modern thinking did away with ruling aristocracy anywhere, it had also instituted at least some humanitarian curbs on rampant greed. Or have I missed something?

I think fuedalism would only qualify for the upper escheleon, and I don't really think even then, maybe as it was just beginning (when the various factions were gaining power), but again, I don't really think it qualifies. I believe the only times it has really happened is like I said.. in the beginnings (think "cave man", but not universally) and in times of war.

Communism, by contrast actually has succeeded, though only on a small scale, and has succeeded for limited times in bigger governments. That was my basic point the Phattscotty. As much as he rails against communism and as much as I think we all agree it won't work (except in very small units), it is actually more successful historically than capitolism.

I don't think either system is truly a "success", though.

[Phatscotty]

The example of where "straight" capitolism has failed....

[PLAYER57832]

The example of where "straight" capitolism has failed....

The world.
And if you wish to call me wrong, then you need to come up with at least 1 example of a country, or even large group where it has persisted. (I already acknowledged we had it early on and in various short stretches after, such as during wartimes. I even acknowledged it happens in criminality).

[Phatscotty]

The example of where "straight" capitolism has failed....

The world.
And if you wish to call me wrong, then you need to come up with at least 1 example of a country, or even large group where it has persisted. (I already acknowledged we had it early on and in various short stretches after, such as during wartimes. I even acknowledged it happens in criminality).

the world combined? was straight capitlism?

My example, straight capitalism: America 1776-FDR
(born:) America 1776
(Healthy) 1776-1913
(Diagnosed with cancer/socialist programs start) the great society
(continued to smoke 2 packs of cigarettes per day/socialist programs explode in cost up to) Jimmy Carter
(Cut down, but didnt quit smoking/some socialist issues addressed, but not nerly enough up to) Bush 1
(didnt increase smoking, but started drinking a little up to/started to see the entitlement programs crushing shortages over the horizon) Bush 2
(Completely relapsed into a chain smoking 4 packs a day alcoholic on a respirator/creating new entitlements and quadrupling the deficit in the worst economy in 75 years) Obama