"Straight" Capitalsm....(PLAYER57832)

[PLAYER57832]

The example of where "straight" capitolism has failed....

The world.
And if you wish to call me wrong, then you need to come up with at least 1 example of a country, or even large group where it has persisted. (I already acknowledged we had it early on and in various short stretches after, such as during wartimes. I even acknowledged it happens in criminality).

the world combined? was straight capitlism?

My example, straight capitalism: America 1776-FDR
(born:) America 1776
(Healthy) 1776-1913

No. This wasn't true capitalism, There were various taxes, limits on trade, etc. In fact because the states controlled so much more than they do now, it was MORE limited, not less. You didn't even omit the civil war! Aspects of the economy were almost fully controlled then. Around the turn of the century, there was something close to "pure" capitalism.. and people were being killed left and right in workplace injuries, workers were starving while working more than any fulltime day now.. unions resulted. AND a series of market crashes.

(Diagnosed with cancer) the great society
(continued to smoke 2 packs of cigarettes per day up to) Jimmy Carter
(Cut down, but didnt quit smoking up to) Bush 1
(didnt increase smoking, but started drinking a little up to) Bush 2
(Completely relapsed into a chain smoking 4 packs a day alcoholic on a respirator) Obama

Now you just lapse into complete stupidity.


I am still waiting for one example where capitalism succeeded.

[Phatscotty]

The example of where "straight" capitolism has failed....

The world.
And if you wish to call me wrong, then you need to come up with at least 1 example of a country, or even large group where it has persisted. (I already acknowledged we had it early on and in various short stretches after, such as during wartimes. I even acknowledged it happens in criminality).

the world combined? was straight capitlism?

My example, straight capitalism: America 1776-FDR
(born:) America 1776
(Healthy) 1776-1913

No. This wasn't true capitalism, There were various taxes, limits on trade, etc. In fact because the states controlled so much more than they do now, it was MORE limited, not less. You didn't even omit the civil war! Aspects of the economy were almost fully controlled then. Around the turn of the century, there was something close to "pure" capitalism.. and people were being killed left and right in workplace injuries, workers were starving while working more than any fulltime day now.. unions resulted. AND a series of market crashes.

(Diagnosed with cancer) the great society
(continued to smoke 2 packs of cigarettes per day up to) Jimmy Carter
(Cut down, but didnt quit smoking up to) Bush 1
(didnt increase smoking, but started drinking a little up to) Bush 2
(Completely relapsed into a chain smoking 4 packs a day alcoholic on a respirator) Obama

Now you just lapse into complete stupidity.


I am still waiting for one example where capitalism succeeded.

capitalism succeeded all the way until the great society, where upon socialism got it hooks firmly into society. If you would just like to come out and say capitalism failed because of socialism, I will agree with you 100%, because that is my belief, and I will back it up all the way, only using facts.

PS, taxes and trade is not socialist philosophy. its what you do with it. I'm so wasting my time right now.

[Phatscotty]

By the way player, this thread is addressed to you. can you please not dodge my question before you jump straight into tearing apart my answer to the question you have dodged more than I have ever seen anyone dodge before....

[PLAYER57832]

PS, taxes and trade is not socialist philosophy. its what you do with it. I'm so wasting my time right now.

PS pure capitalism means completely unrestrained "winner takes all" trade.
The US has never had unrestrained capitalism.

BUT, even if we did have it, (we didn't), your claims of "success" ignore the earlier market collapses, the many worker revolts that led to unionization oh, yes and little things like worker safety laws, etc. ALL of which came because of the failures of capitalism for society.

[PLAYER57832]

By the way player, this thread is addressed to you. can you please not dodge my question before you jump straight into tearing apart my answer to the question you have dodged more than I have ever seen anyone dodge before....

Give it a rest. Your claims of "winning" are about like my 3 year old claims to have "won" me in a foot race.

Go back, study some real history instead of whatever it is you studied and maybe then, you can have something to say.

[Phatscotty]

PS, taxes and trade is not socialist philosophy. its what you do with it. I'm so wasting my time right now.

PS pure capitalism means completely unrestrained "winner takes all" trade.
The US has never had unrestrained capitalism.

BUT, even if we did have it, (we didn't), your claims of "success" ignore the earlier market collapses, the many worker revolts that led to unionization oh, yes and little things like worker safety laws, etc. ALL of which came because of the failures of capitalism for society.

I'm not arguing with you about the definition. AGAIN, I am challenging your quote that it has failed. If you are going to say it never existed, then you are just wrong about saying it failed. End of thread

[PLAYER57832]

PS, taxes and trade is not socialist philosophy. its what you do with it. I'm so wasting my time right now.

PS pure capitalism means completely unrestrained "winner takes all" trade.
The US has never had unrestrained capitalism.

BUT, even if we did have it, (we didn't), your claims of "success" ignore the earlier market collapses, the many worker revolts that led to unionization oh, yes and little things like worker safety laws, etc. ALL of which came because of the failures of capitalism for society.

I'm not arguing with you about the definition. AGAIN, I am challenging your quote that it has failed. If you are going to say it never existed, then you are just wrong about saying it failed. End of thread

No, phattscotty, you are talking to yourself, trying to convince yourself that you actually can read.

Because I never said anything close to what you claim. And the more you keep up with this thread, the more obvious you make your inability to read.

[Phatscotty]

PS, taxes and trade is not socialist philosophy. its what you do with it. I'm so wasting my time right now.

PS pure capitalism means completely unrestrained "winner takes all" trade.
The US has never had unrestrained capitalism.

BUT, even if we did have it, (we didn't), your claims of "success" ignore the earlier market collapses, the many worker revolts that led to unionization oh, yes and little things like worker safety laws, etc. ALL of which came because of the failures of capitalism for society.

I'm not arguing with you about the definition. AGAIN, I am challenging your quote that it has failed. If you are going to say it never existed, then you are just wrong about saying it failed. End of thread

No, phattscotty, you are talking to yourself, trying to convince yourself that you actually can read.

Because I never said anything close to what you claim. And the more you keep up with this thread, the more obvious you make your inability to read.

I can too read! end of thread

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[PLAYER57832]

And where is it that I ever said we had capitalism in the US. Hint: no where!

You dedicated an entire thread to trolling.. and still won't bother to read.

[hecter]

Casino's seem pretty capitalistic to me, as well as rather successful.

[silvanricky]

It took awhile but Player finally learned how to spell capitalism

Huzzah!

[tzor]

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

PLAYER57832. when was the last time USA had "straight" capitalism?

I would have to look it up, but there was a time; it wasn't pretty; around the time before the anti-trusts and the creation of the first unions.

The time of

"You load sixteen tons, and what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
St. Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul, to the company sto'"

[PLAYER57832]

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

PLAYER57832. when was the last time USA had "straight" capitalism?

I would have to look it up, but there was a time; it wasn't pretty; around the time before the anti-trusts and the creation of the first unions.

The time of

"You load sixteen tons, and what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
St. Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul, to the company sto'"

Yes, between roughly 1890 and 1927 or so, we were close to capitalistic, but .. not entirely. There still were some restrictions on trade and even a few minor safety regulations (not well enforced). Also, there were various fees and such assessed for the commonality. And, even, then, some things were held in government ownership.

[Phatscotty]

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

PLAYER57832. when was the last time USA had "straight" capitalism?

I would have to look it up, but there was a time; it wasn't pretty; around the time before the anti-trusts and the creation of the first unions.

The time of

"You load sixteen tons, and what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
St. Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul, to the company sto'"

Yes, between roughly 1890 and 1927 or so, we were close to capitalistic, but .. not entirely. There still were some restrictions on trade and even a few minor safety regulations (not well enforced). Also, there were various fees and such assessed for the commonality. And, even, then, some things were held in government ownership.

Yes, I will agree with that. Simply because of all the crashes between 1890 and 1927, were handled in a free market/capitalist way. Thats the only way the free market works. You start adding unfree market concepts, sure, the free market continues to function, but not as well. Add too many unfree market programs to a free market...um...yeah the free market probably isnt going to work.

[tzor]

The early 20th century is particularly interesting; if you hear the basic capitalist argument; the post WWI recession under Coolidge became the basis for the "Roaring 20's." The recession under FDR became the great depression.

"The Recession of 1937–1938, sometimes called the Roosevelt Recession, was a temporary reversal of the pre-war 1933 to 1941 economic recovery from the Great Depression in the United States."

That's the problem with Capitalism, it sucks, but it sucks the least.

Obama is dead set on repeating the history of FDR. God help us all!

[Titanic]

Yes, I will agree with that. Simply because of all the crashes between 1890 and 1927, were handled in a free market/capitalist way. Thats the only way the free market works. You start adding unfree market concepts, sure, the free market continues to function, but not as well. Add too many unfree market programs to a free market...um...yeah the free market probably isnt going to work.

Dear god, wth are you on about. The Austrian school learns faster then you.

[PLAYER57832]

Actually, socialism has not failed. Only communism has... and straight capitolism.

PLAYER57832. when was the last time USA had "straight" capitalism?

I would have to look it up, but there was a time; it wasn't pretty; around the time before the anti-trusts and the creation of the first unions.

The time of

"You load sixteen tons, and what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
St. Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul, to the company sto'"

Yes, between roughly 1890 and 1927 or so, we were close to capitalistic, but .. not entirely. There still were some restrictions on trade and even a few minor safety regulations (not well enforced). Also, there were various fees and such assessed for the commonality. And, even, then, some things were held in government ownership.

Yes, I will agree with that. Simply because of all the crashes between 1890 and 1927, were handled in a free market/capitalist way. Thats the only way the free market works. You start adding unfree market concepts, sure, the free market continues to function, but not as well. Add too many unfree market programs to a free market...um...yeah the free market probably isnt going to work.

This idea had a good following 20 years ago. Now even the major proponents are acknowledging it failed. Markets just don't correct themselves on their own.

[tzor]

This idea had a good following 20 years ago. Now even the major proponents are acknowledging it failed. Markets just don't correct themselves on their own.

AND YET

... Roaring 20's / Great Depression
... Free Market / Government Control

I am not saying that "straight" Capitalism is better; what I am saying is that Socialism / Statist Progressivism is always bad ... not always real bad ... but not good and cedrtainly not helping and only making things worse. Government is never the answer because absolute power corrupts; at the very least it corrupts the intelect.

People have this strange notion that FDR was some kind of GOD. FDR caused the depression within the depression and would have completely collapsed the nation had it not been for the fact that the Supreme Court slaped him on the wrist. We only got saved by WWII because war has a tendency to shift the unemployed to the battlefield and a whole lot of the extra working people as well.

But that was then; this is now. Back then we didn't have all those entitlements draining the economy ... look now we have one more! We didn't have a foreign power owning all the debt; we had our fellow Americans buying those war bonds; now we have China. Even Social Security is going to have to "sell" those bonds to meet obligations.

The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money! Guess what? We ran out!

[Titanic]

This idea had a good following 20 years ago. Now even the major proponents are acknowledging it failed. Markets just don't correct themselves on their own.

AND YET

... Roaring 20's / Great Depression
... Free Market / Government Control

I am not saying that "straight" Capitalism is better; what I am saying is that Socialism / Statist Progressivism is always bad ... not always real bad ... but not good and cedrtainly not helping and only making things worse. Government is never the answer because absolute power corrupts; at the very least it corrupts the intelect.

People have this strange notion that FDR was some kind of GOD. FDR caused the depression within the depression and would have completely collapsed the nation had it not been for the fact that the Supreme Court slaped him on the wrist. We only got saved by WWII because war has a tendency to shift the unemployed to the battlefield and a whole lot of the extra working people as well.

But that was then; this is now. Back then we didn't have all those entitlements draining the economy ... look now we have one more! We didn't have a foreign power owning all the debt; we had our fellow Americans buying those war bonds; now we have China. Even Social Security is going to have to "sell" those bonds to meet obligations.

The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money! Guess what? We ran out!

Just some advice, never taken an economics course without much though because you'll be in for a huge shock.

I must have replied to rubbish like this 100x on this site, can't be arsed explaining basic concepts so many times to ignorant people.

[Snorri1234]

The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money! Guess what? We ran out!

Please stop saying shit like this.