The Future of Conservatism

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Sorry, but Conservatives are counter-revolutionaries who want to control the peasants and all capital.

These greedy bastards should be lined up against the wall and shot!

The loyal foot soldier of Saxitoxin,
GS

[tzor]

Sorry, but Conservatives are counter-revolutionaries who want to control the peasants and all capital.

I don't want to control no peasant and the only capital I want to control is my own!

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Sorry, but Conservatives are counter-revolutionaries who want to control the peasants and all capital.

I don't want to control no peasant and the only capital I want to control is my own!

Sure and it all starts with small animals. The "trickle down theory" has been proven wrong.

GS

[Phatscotty]

what does any of that have to do with conservatism? I am patiently waiting for the topic matter to begin!

[Nobunaga]

... I don't follow the initial assumptions concerning conservatism's alleged issues with race and gender, actually.

...

[Phatscotty]

... I don't follow the initial assumptions concerning conservatism's alleged issues with race and gender, actually.

...

Thats what I said. The premise is flawed...

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Race and gender has everything to do with Conservatives. It goes back to slavery, when the slave owners made huge profits off of free labor.

Now with the so-called Free Trade agreements, multi-nationals are again making huge profits off of the backs of labor in oppressed countries like China.

The Conservatives had to be fought, just to give women the right to vote.

May liberalism and progressives reach new heights of power to restore our Middle class! Which has suffered so greatly at the hands of Reagan and Bush Jr.

People rise up and fight the Conservatives!

GS

[thegreekdog]

Race and gender has everything to do with Conservatives. It goes back to slavery, when the slave owners made huge profits off of free labor.

Now with the so-called Free Trade agreements, multi-nationals are again making huge profits off of the backs of labor in oppressed countries like China.

The Conservatives had to be fought, just to give women the right to vote.

May liberalism and progressives reach new heights of power to restore our Middle class! Which has suffered so greatly at the hands of Reagan and Bush Jr.

People rise up and fight the Conservatives!

GS

DAMN YOU CHINA AND YOUR FISCAL CONSERVATISM! If only they were Communists.

DAMN YOU FISCAL CONSERVATIVES AND YOUR ANTI-SUFFRAGE PLATFORMS!

DAMN YOU FISCAL CONSERVATIVES FOR DESTROYING OUR MIDDLE CLASS BY DEMANDING LOWER TAXES FOR ALL!

Sorry, gotta go hop in my Mercedes and drive to the all-white, all-male golf course. Ta.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Race and gender has everything to do with Conservatives. It goes back to slavery, when the slave owners made huge profits off of free labor.

Now with the so-called Free Trade agreements, multi-nationals are again making huge profits off of the backs of labor in oppressed countries like China.

The Conservatives had to be fought, just to give women the right to vote.

May liberalism and progressives reach new heights of power to restore our Middle class! Which has suffered so greatly at the hands of Reagan and Bush Jr.

People rise up and fight the Conservatives!

GS

DAMN YOU CHINA AND YOUR FISCAL CONSERVATISM! If only they were Communists.

DAMN YOU FISCAL CONSERVATIVES AND YOUR ANTI-SUFFRAGE PLATFORMS!

DAMN YOU FISCAL CONSERVATIVES FOR DESTROYING OUR MIDDLE CLASS BY DEMANDING LOWER TAXES FOR ALL!

Sorry, gotta go hop in my Mercedes and drive to the all-white, all-male golf course. Ta.

I'm so very glad you have benefitted from Obama's tax cuts.

[thegreekdog]

Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.

Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.

Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.

GS

[thegreekdog]

Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.

Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.

Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.

GS

Hmm... how does one increase spending exponentially and still give tax cuts to 95% of Americans? Maybe loans. I wonder how we'll pay those loans back. Maybe taxes.

Also, Cheney destroyed the working class? Wow. Didn't know that one. Biff don't know shit apparently.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Oh....I see. It's President Clinton's fault right? It was always about the blow job he got.

[Neoteny]

Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.

Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.

Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.

GS

Hmm... how does one increase spending exponentially and still give tax cuts to 95% of Americans? Maybe loans. I wonder how we'll pay those loans back. Maybe taxes.

Also, Cheney destroyed the working class? Wow. Didn't know that one. Biff don't know shit apparently.

Ideally the tax cuts would go to the Americans who aren't making much money on which to be taxed (which, if it's 95% of the country, that's likely true). Crazy idea, no?

[thegreekdog]

Oh....I see. It's President Clinton's fault right? It was always about the blow job he got.

I wouldn't blame the demise of the working class on anyone currently or previously employed as the president.

Ideally the tax cuts would go to the Americans who aren't making much money on which to be taxed (which, if it's 95% of the country, that's likely true). Crazy idea, no?

Great idea. How much tax does a person making less than $35K a year pay?

[PLAYER57832]

Oh....I see. It's President Clinton's fault right? It was always about the blow job he got.

I wouldn't blame the demise of the working class on anyone currently or previously employed as the president.

Ideally the tax cuts would go to the Americans who aren't making much money on which to be taxed (which, if it's 95% of the country, that's likely true). Crazy idea, no?

Great idea. How much tax does a person making less than $35K a year pay?

0. In fact, sometimes they get money back.

[thegreekdog]

Oh....I see. It's President Clinton's fault right? It was always about the blow job he got.

I wouldn't blame the demise of the working class on anyone currently or previously employed as the president.

Ideally the tax cuts would go to the Americans who aren't making much money on which to be taxed (which, if it's 95% of the country, that's likely true). Crazy idea, no?

Great idea. How much tax does a person making less than $35K a year pay?

0. In fact, sometimes they get money back.

Well, technically they do pay taxes (it's taken out of their paycheck every two weeks, month, whatever). But, yeah, that was my point exactly. I think something like 60% of people don't actually pay taxes.

[pimpdave]

The guvmint gets to use that money to collect interest until they send out the refund.

And I'm sure there are people who are too lazy to even file.

[PLAYER57832]

Oh....I see. It's President Clinton's fault right? It was always about the blow job he got.

I wouldn't blame the demise of the working class on anyone currently or previously employed as the president.

Ideally the tax cuts would go to the Americans who aren't making much money on which to be taxed (which, if it's 95% of the country, that's likely true). Crazy idea, no?

Great idea. How much tax does a person making less than $35K a year pay?

0. In fact, sometimes they get money back.

Well, technically they do pay taxes (it's taken out of their paycheck every two weeks, month, whatever). But, yeah, that was my point exactly. I think something like 60% of people don't actually pay taxes.

I believe that anybody making less than $60,000 now does not actually pay taxes. (they get them all back or more).

This is aside from aid programs. I think it stinks.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Puhleeeze, everyone pays taxes. It's called sales tax, property tax, gas tax, fees for parking stickers, fees for fishing and hunting and there's hundreds more!

Unless you live in some cabin and hunt, fish and grow your own food, then you might get away from paying taxes and those pesky fees.

Meanwhile those at the top of the wage scale will continue getting richer, while the working class gets short-changed.

Thanks neo-cons,
GS

[Phatscotty]

Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.

Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.

Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.

GS

when did the president get to control the setting of interest rates? cuz im pretty sure interest rates have something to do with the economy.....oh and the bond market too makes up a big part of the economy. Oh, but Bush controlled the Bond market and the Fed.......righttttt

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.

Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.

Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.

GS

when did the president get to control the setting of interest rates? cuz im pretty sure interest rates have something to do with the economy.....oh and the bond market too makes up a big part of the economy. Oh, but Bush controlled the Bond market and the Fed.......righttttt

Too funny, I guess ignorance is something that Conservatives are proud of.

Consumer spending makes up over 70% of the economy. The Federal Reserve controls the interest rate it loans to banks.

Bush/Cheney and the Republican administration, which had full control of the government purse strings from 2001 to 2007, went on a huge spending spree and cut taxes. They loosen the controls and looked the other way, while our Banks, Financial Institutions, Insurance Companies, Healthcare, Phaumaceutical Companies and other greedy Companies went on rampage through our economy to rake in billions of dollars in profits.

How can you say when the economy with low unemployment [2001-2007] with ever larger budget deficits and to turn around and cut taxes to the rich and we can't blame those in power?!?!

Obama was forced to pump a god-awfull amount of stimulus money into the economy, just to try to stop the economy from falling in a tailspin.

No doubt that we must control these huge companies with oversight and YES! red tape to prevent these institutions from gambling with our economy again.

Pure Capitalism is evil. We must mix Socialism with Capitalism to protect our working class. We must return the tax code back to where it was, before the Bush/Cheney administration changed it to benifit the rich fat cats.

Long live President Clinton! He was the last true fiscal conservative with Socialist credentials.

Bush Jr. on the other hand will go down in history as the worst fiscal spender in History.

GS

[tzor]

Race and gender has everything to do with Conservatives. It goes back to slavery, when the slave owners made huge profits off of free labor.

In point of fact, they did not. In the 18th century, Southern Farmers were notorious for their bad economics, relying, at the time on Tobacco, which often resulted in poor returns and put the famers in debt. (This is one of the reason why George Washington was as powerful as he was; he had the foresight to switch to a reliable crop, wheat, and also built his own distillery to turn the crop into a good cash product.) Until the invention of the cotton gin in the 19th century, slave labor was not a significantly profitable endeavor.

While it was true that the cotton gin reduced the labor of removing seeds, it did not reduce the need for slaves to grow and pick the cotton. In fact, the opposite occurred. Cotton growing became so profitable for the planters that it greatly increased their demand for both land and slave labor.

To suggest that these people were either “fiscal” or “social” conservatives would fly in the face of historic facts.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Race and gender has everything to do with Conservatives. It goes back to slavery, when the slave owners made huge profits off of free labor.

In point of fact, they did not. In the 18th century, Southern Farmers were notorious for their bad economics, relying, at the time on Tobacco, which often resulted in poor returns and put the famers in debt. (This is one of the reason why George Washington was as powerful as he was; he had the foresight to switch to a reliable crop, wheat, and also built his own distillery to turn the crop into a good cash product.) Until the invention of the cotton gin in the 19th century, slave labor was not a significantly profitable endeavor.

While it was true that the cotton gin reduced the labor of removing seeds, it did not reduce the need for slaves to grow and pick the cotton. In fact, the opposite occurred. Cotton growing became so profitable for the planters that it greatly increased their demand for both land and slave labor.

To suggest that these people were either “fiscal” or “social” conservatives would fly in the face of historic facts.

Oh geeeezes Christmas, for God's sake what is with all this ignorance. Didn't any of you successfully took American History and passed?

George Washington relied on slaves, but that was before the Golden Age of cotton. George Washington married a rich widow, before that he was basically a middle class guy.

BUT, then you mentioned how the Slave Owners got rich?!?!

Geeezes, you got to get your facts straight, when in fact you proved me right.

Eat your breakfast and get a good nights sleep, before you try to debate someone,
GS

[Phatscotty]

Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.

Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.

Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.

GS

when did the president get to control the setting of interest rates? cuz im pretty sure interest rates have something to do with the economy.....oh and the bond market too makes up a big part of the economy. Oh, but Bush controlled the Bond market and the Fed.......righttttt

Too funny, I guess ignorance is something that Conservatives are proud of.

Consumer spending makes up over 70% of the economy. The Federal Reserve controls the interest rate it loans to banks.

Bush/Cheney and the Republican administration, which had full control of the government purse strings from 2001 to 2007, went on a huge spending spree and cut taxes. They loosen the controls and looked the other way, while our Banks, Financial Institutions, Insurance Companies, Healthcare, Phaumaceutical Companies and other greedy Companies went on rampage through our economy to rake in billions of dollars in profits.

How can you say when the economy with low unemployment [2001-2007] with ever larger budget deficits and to turn around and cut taxes to the rich and we can't blame those in power?!?!

Obama was forced to pump a god-awfull amount of stimulus money into the economy, just to try to stop the economy from falling in a tailspin.

No doubt that we must control these huge companies with oversight and YES! red tape to prevent these institutions from gambling with our economy again.

Pure Capitalism is evil. We must mix Socialism with Capitalism to protect our working class. We must return the tax code back to where it was, before the Bush/Cheney administration changed it to benifit the rich fat cats.

Long live President Clinton! He was the last true fiscal conservative with Socialist credentials.

Bush Jr. on the other hand will go down in history as the worst fiscal spender in History.

GS

LOL, oh yeah, Bush was in control of the FED, the Bond Market, and Congress. Congress writes the spending bills. yes the president either signs or vetoes them, but the president does not "spend". Thanks I forgot cuz I'm sooooo ignorant. Preach on...