thegreekdog wrote:Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.
Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.
Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.
GS
47% of American pay no federal taxes. The ignorant man is asking a question here. One of us is either wrong or repeating a politicians lies. Wonder which is which?
So...
How do 95% of Americans get a tax cut, when 47% do not pay any taxes???
thegreekdog wrote:Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.
Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.
Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.
GS
47% of American pay no federal taxes. The ignorant man is asking a question here. One of us is either wrong or repeating a politicians lies. Wonder which is which?
So...
How do 95% of Americans get a tax cut, when 47% do not pay any taxes???
More people paid some before the cut. Also, in this case, many people actually got money ahead.
thegreekdog wrote:Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.
Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.
Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.
GS
47% of American pay no federal taxes. The ignorant man is asking a question here. One of us is either wrong or repeating a politicians lies. Wonder which is which?
So...
How do 95% of Americans get a tax cut, when 47% do not pay any taxes???
More people paid some before the cut. Also, in this case, many people actually got money ahead.
yes, so how does one take credit for cutting a tax that did not exist? Perhaps I am just ignorant here....
I love how 100% of the post directly before this one thinks that a known fact, WITH EVEN PLAYER AGREEING, was pulled from an ass. Makes you look good to "those in the know".
If you've ever seen a statistic abused, you'll know the pain that it can cause. 85% of statistics are abused every other day 95% of the time. That's 100% fact. If you wish to end the abuse, please post below,
Symmetry
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Phatscotty wrote:47% of American pay no federal taxes. bring something real to the table if that statistic pisses you off rather than sit and deny it and cry.
Can I try and bring it back on topic instead? If you want to argue that your arguments aren't being treated fairly, perhaps you can start a new topic.
Anyway- clearly conservatives are going to have to move more to the left on a number of social issues, but it's looking like economic intervention is looking to be more of a right wing policy than it was before.
International intervention seems pretty right wing at the moment outside of financial policy.
Most issues seem either up for grabs, or likely to be open in the next few years.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Phatscotty wrote:47% of American pay no federal taxes. bring something real to the table if that statistic pisses you off rather than sit and deny it and cry.
Can I try and bring it back on topic instead? If you want to argue that your arguments aren't being treated fairly, perhaps you can start a new topic.
Anyway- clearly conservatives are going to have to move more to the left on a number of social issues, but it's looking like economic intervention is looking to be more of a right wing policy than it was before.
International intervention seems pretty right wing at the moment outside of financial policy.
Most issues seem either up for grabs, or likely to be open in the next few years.
I'm gonna stick with letting you know every republican in my country knows if they move to the left they are toast. Arlen Specter is toast. Christy in FL is toast. a sitting senator in Utah could not even get an endorsement to be re-elected. This is happening now. My arguments/the facts, are not being treated unfairly, they are just being dismissed.
Phatscotty wrote:47% of American pay no federal taxes. bring something real to the table if that statistic pisses you off rather than sit and deny it and cry.
Can I try and bring it back on topic instead? If you want to argue that your arguments aren't being treated fairly, perhaps you can start a new topic.
Anyway- clearly conservatives are going to have to move more to the left on a number of social issues, but it's looking like economic intervention is looking to be more of a right wing policy than it was before.
International intervention seems pretty right wing at the moment outside of financial policy.
Most issues seem either up for grabs, or likely to be open in the next few years.
I'm gonna stick with letting you know every republican in my country knows if they move to the left they are toast. Arlen Specter is toast. Christy in FL is toast. a sitting senator in Utah could not even get an endorsement to be re-elected. This is happening now. My arguments/the facts, are not being treated unfairly, they are just being dismissed.
I agree 100 percent. Your arguments are being dismissed completely fairly.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Phatscotty wrote:47% of American pay no federal taxes. bring something real to the table if that statistic pisses you off rather than sit and deny it and cry.
Can I try and bring it back on topic instead? If you want to argue that your arguments aren't being treated fairly, perhaps you can start a new topic.
Anyway- clearly conservatives are going to have to move more to the left on a number of social issues, but it's looking like economic intervention is looking to be more of a right wing policy than it was before.
International intervention seems pretty right wing at the moment outside of financial policy.
Most issues seem either up for grabs, or likely to be open in the next few years.
I'm gonna stick with letting you know every republican in my country knows if they move to the left they are toast. Arlen Specter is toast. Christy in FL is toast. a sitting senator in Utah could not even get an endorsement to be re-elected. This is happening now. My arguments/the facts, are not being treated unfairly, they are just being dismissed.
Let's make peace, gang! We all have different opinions on things and they can get heated - ACK! Instead of bickering and jibber-jabberin, let's just focus on things we agree and are united upon, such as the need for a global, anti-capitalist revolution to herald a new wave of Marxism-Leninism as a precursor to a golden age of an anarcho-communist non-state in the tradition espoused by the First Worker's International, as well as the 1924 Surrealist Manifesto. At least that's something we can all agree on and get behind.
Thanks, gang.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:ENOUGH! LET'S STOP ALL THIS ARGUING!
Let's make peace, gang! We all have different opinions on things and they can get heated - ACK! Instead of bickering and jibber-jabberin, let's just focus on things we agree and are united upon, such as the need for a global, anti-capitalist revolution to herald a new wave of Marxism-Leninism as a precursor to a golden age of an anarcho-communist non-state in the tradition espoused by the First Worker's International, as well as the 1924 Surrealist Manifesto. At least that's something we can all agree on and get behind.
Thanks, gang.
QFT!
By the way, saxi, have you ever read The Dispossessed? I highly suggest it if you haven't - great philosophical novel, that is
saxitoxin wrote:ENOUGH! LET'S STOP ALL THIS ARGUING!
Let's make peace, gang! We all have different opinions on things and they can get heated - ACK! Instead of bickering and jibber-jabberin, let's just focus on things we agree and are united upon, such as the need for a global, anti-capitalist revolution to herald a new wave of Marxism-Leninism as a precursor to a golden age of an anarcho-communist non-state in the tradition espoused by the First Worker's International, as well as the 1924 Surrealist Manifesto. At least that's something we can all agree on and get behind.
Thanks, gang.
QFT!
By the way, saxi, have you ever read The Dispossessed? I highly suggest it if you haven't - great philosophical novel, that is
Thanks for the recco, IL! I haven't read it but I do have a lot of respect for Le Guin from the little I know of her. I will check that book out!!!
My recco for you is also by an American author ... Jack London's The Iron Heel.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
thegreekdog wrote:Obama did not cut taxes... at least that's what Biff tells me.
Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.
Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.
GS
when did the president get to control the setting of interest rates? cuz im pretty sure interest rates have something to do with the economy.....oh and the bond market too makes up a big part of the economy. Oh, but Bush controlled the Bond market and the Fed.......righttttt
Too funny, I guess ignorance is something that Conservatives are proud of.
Consumer spending makes up over 70% of the economy. The Federal Reserve controls the interest rate it loans to banks.
Bush/Cheney and the Republican administration, which had full control of the government purse strings from 2001 to 2007, went on a huge spending spree and cut taxes. They loosen the controls and looked the other way, while our Banks, Financial Institutions, Insurance Companies, Healthcare, Phaumaceutical Companies and other greedy Companies went on rampage through our economy to rake in billions of dollars in profits.
How can you say when the economy with low unemployment [2001-2007] with ever larger budget deficits and to turn around and cut taxes to the rich and we can't blame those in power?!?!
Obama was forced to pump a god-awfull amount of stimulus money into the economy, just to try to stop the economy from falling in a tailspin.
No doubt that we must control these huge companies with oversight and YES! red tape to prevent these institutions from gambling with our economy again.
Pure Capitalism is evil. We must mix Socialism with Capitalism to protect our working class. We must return the tax code back to where it was, before the Bush/Cheney administration changed it to benifit the rich fat cats.
Long live President Clinton! He was the last true fiscal conservative with Socialist credentials.
Bush Jr. on the other hand will go down in history as the worst fiscal spender in History.
GS
LOL, oh yeah, Bush was in control of the FED, the Bond Market, and Congress. Congress writes the spending bills. yes the president either signs or vetoes them, but the president does not "spend". Thanks I forgot cuz I'm sooooo ignorant. Preach on...
I'm getting quite bored with your ignorance. Bush Jr. did not once VETO any spending bills in front of him, while the Republicans were in control of both houses.
Keep on defending the man who's own Father said of him, "Not exactly the sharpest pencil in the family."
GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:
Biff is wrong, 95% of Americans received a tax cut.
Thank you Bush Jr. for ruining our economy with your 8 years neo-conservative mishandling. Oh....and special thanks to Cheney for his assistance in destroying the working class.
GS
when did the president get to control the setting of interest rates? cuz im pretty sure interest rates have something to do with the economy.....oh and the bond market too makes up a big part of the economy. Oh, but Bush controlled the Bond market and the Fed.......righttttt
Too funny, I guess ignorance is something that Conservatives are proud of.
Consumer spending makes up over 70% of the economy. The Federal Reserve controls the interest rate it loans to banks.
Bush/Cheney and the Republican administration, which had full control of the government purse strings from 2001 to 2007, went on a huge spending spree and cut taxes. They loosen the controls and looked the other way, while our Banks, Financial Institutions, Insurance Companies, Healthcare, Phaumaceutical Companies and other greedy Companies went on rampage through our economy to rake in billions of dollars in profits.
How can you say when the economy with low unemployment [2001-2007] with ever larger budget deficits and to turn around and cut taxes to the rich and we can't blame those in power?!?!
Obama was forced to pump a god-awfull amount of stimulus money into the economy, just to try to stop the economy from falling in a tailspin.
No doubt that we must control these huge companies with oversight and YES! red tape to prevent these institutions from gambling with our economy again.
Pure Capitalism is evil. We must mix Socialism with Capitalism to protect our working class. We must return the tax code back to where it was, before the Bush/Cheney administration changed it to benifit the rich fat cats.
Long live President Clinton! He was the last true fiscal conservative with Socialist credentials.
Bush Jr. on the other hand will go down in history as the worst fiscal spender in History.
GS
LOL, oh yeah, Bush was in control of the FED, the Bond Market, and Congress. Congress writes the spending bills. yes the president either signs or vetoes them, but the president does not "spend". Thanks I forgot cuz I'm sooooo ignorant. Preach on...
I'm getting quite bored with your ignorance. Bush Jr. did not once VETO any spending bills in front of him, while the Republicans were in control of both houses.
Keep on defending the man who's own Father said of him, "Not exactly the sharpest pencil in the family."
Bush never was, is, or ever will be a conservative. if you believe he was a conservative, then you do not know what a conservative is. Any conservative will tell you that, now matter how badly you need Bush to be a conservative.
I'm bored too, because every single one of your premises was severely flawed.
Really now, who were these Conservatives [fiscal] during the Bush years?
The last time we had any Conservatives was when President Clinton was running things. Of course, Newt Gingrich worked with Clinton at the time.
When the Republicans came into control of the White House and both Houses of Congress they raised spending and cut taxes for the fat cats. Guess what, the budget deficit exploded.
GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:Really now, who were these Conservatives [fiscal] during the Bush years?
The last time we had any Conservatives was when President Clinton was running things. Of course, Newt Gingrich worked with Clinton at the time.
When the Republicans came into control of the White House and both Houses of Congress they raised spending and cut taxes for the fat cats. Guess what, the budget deficit exploded.
I'll wait for your informed answers.
Tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock,
GS
excuse me? when did the budget deficit blow up? Hope you were not waiting too long. Is this answer informed enough?
GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:Really now, who were these Conservatives [fiscal] during the Bush years?
The last time we had any Conservatives was when President Clinton was running things. Of course, Newt Gingrich worked with Clinton at the time.
When the Republicans came into control of the White House and both Houses of Congress they raised spending and cut taxes for the fat cats. Guess what, the budget deficit exploded.
I'll wait for your informed answers.
Tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock,
GS
excuse me? when did the budget deficit blow up? Hope you were not waiting too long. Is this answer informed enough?
FYI, democrats took over congress in 2006...
Cute. As if Democrats gaining control of congress started the crisis, as opposed to the lack of regulation and foresight in the years preceding it.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:Really now, who were these Conservatives [fiscal] during the Bush years?
The last time we had any Conservatives was when President Clinton was running things. Of course, Newt Gingrich worked with Clinton at the time.
When the Republicans came into control of the White House and both Houses of Congress they raised spending and cut taxes for the fat cats. Guess what, the budget deficit exploded.
I'll wait for your informed answers.
Tick-tock tick-tock tick-tock,
GS
excuse me? when did the budget deficit blow up? Hope you were not waiting too long. Is this answer informed enough?
FYI, democrats took over congress in 2006...
Cute. As if Democrats gaining control of congress started the crisis, as opposed to the lack of regulation and foresight in the years preceding it.
oh, ok, Bush screwed it up in 2003, and nobody knew about it until Obama took over in 2009. talk about cute. Me pointing out democrats took over was jsut a factual statement and nothing more.
You can call my chart whatever you want. Good discussion
GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:George Washington relied on slaves, but that was before the Golden Age of cotton. George Washington married a rich widow, before that he was basically a middle class guy.
Did you actually read what I wrote? I mentioned that George Washington was an exception. He switched to a generally profitable crop (wheat as opposed to tobacco). (By 1766, he had switched Mount Vernon's primary cash crop from tobacco to wheat, a crop that could be sold in America, and diversified operations to include flour milling, fishing, horse breeding, spinning, and weaving.) He was a master accountant and understood finance exceptionally well. He married into wealth. (Washington's marriage to Martha, a wealthy widow, greatly increased his property holdings and social standing. He acquired one-third of the 18,000 acre Custis estate upon his marriage, and managed the remainder on behalf of Martha's children.) … ( Patsy Custis's death in 1773 from epilepsy enabled Washington to pay off his British creditors, since half of her inheritance passed to him.)
Changes to grain farming
In 1766, George Washington converted his plantation from farming a labor intensive tobacco plant to farming the less labor intensive cereal grains. This was done to increase Washington's profits and to get out of debt, through the manufacture and sale of whiskey. The sale of Virginia tobacco was declining internationally and Washington was dissatisfied with the tobacco consignment system. The result was that Washington became more self sufficient and was on firmer financial footings. The slaves at Mt. Vernon did not have to do the heavy demands of tobacco farming that included preparing seeds and the soil; hand-planting, processing, curing, and transporting the crop; and the generally intense and exhausting toil of hoe agriculture. Farming cereal grains such as wheat used more animal power and was able to reduce the slaves' work with a growing battery of implements and devices.
Trades and skills
Although little written documentation exists from the slaves themselves, slaves played an integral role in Mount Vernon's history. Much is known about their lives through primary documents left by Washington and visitors to Mount Vernon. The skilled and manual labor needed to run Mount Vernon was largely provided by slaves. Many of the working slaves were trained in crafts such as milling, coopering, blacksmithing, carpentry,and shoemaking. The others worked as house servants, boatmen, coachmen or field hands. Some female slaves were also taught skills, particularly spinning, weaving and sewing, while others worked as house servants or in the laundry, the dairy, or the kitchen. Many female slaves also worked in the fields. Almost three-quarters of the 184 working slaves at Mount Vernon worked in the fields, and of those, about 60% were women.
