The Future of Conservatism

[Symmetry]

Ok, so asking about the future of conservatism gets increasingly, and literally, retarded answers. We're up to Washington now, how much further back can we go before we talk about where conservatism is heading?

But yeah- chance to repost the Brad Neely Washington Vid:
Chance Taken

[PLAYER57832]

Conservativism will head one of two ways, either toward more authoritarianism or Liberalism.

In truth, few now have the values that were once associated with "conservativism". What is called "conservativism" today, in U.S. politics is actually quite radical, and tries to frame anything as in opposition to it as "liberal". Beyond this, I think is a movement, begun by Reagan, that has little to do with what is popularly called "conservativism", but which is really the movement of power. That movement is and always has existed, though its form has changed. Right now, it is manipulating this "debate" over conservativism effectively, but that impact is waning. Thus, the powers will migrate and suddenly "decide' that another party is "the" party.

However, none of these surface labels really have much at all to do with the real ideas and policies being pushed. This is why I say, only half tongue-in-cheek that the future of conservativism is to become "liberal". The power groups may actually adopt that term, but more likely is that conservativism will back off from some of it public extremism. The alternative is that it will become utterly authoritarian. That will essentially mean a coalescence of the public ideas and the real power, and thus should be rather worrisome to ALL of us. Either possibility is real, right now.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Conservativism will head one of two ways, either toward more authoritarianism or Liberalism.

In truth, few now have the values that were once associated with "conservativism". What is called "conservativism" today, in U.S. politics is actually quite radical, and tries to frame anything as in opposition to it as "liberal". Beyond this, I think is a movement, begun by Reagan, that has little to do with what is popularly called "conservativism", but which is really the movement of power. That movement is and always has existed, though its form has changed. Right now, it is manipulating this "debate" over conservativism effectively, but that impact is waning. Thus, the powers will migrate and suddenly "decide' that another party is "the" party.

However, none of these surface labels really have much at all to do with the real ideas and policies being pushed. This is why I say, only half tongue-in-cheek that the future of conservativism is to become "liberal". The power groups may actually adopt that term, but more likely is that conservativism will back off from some of it public extremism. The alternative is that it will become utterly authoritarian. That will essentially mean a coalescence of the public ideas and the real power, and thus should be rather worrisome to ALL of us. Either possibility is real, right now.

Well said PLAYER.

The problem with American politics is the partisanship that's involved. It's all about US against THEM.

GS

[tzor]

Simply put, the largest “conservative” movement will be the constitutional conservative movement of limited federal government and a return to republican democracy limiting the powers of non elected officials (basically I am talking about the Supreme Court) to make policy decisions. Given this movement, the fiscal conservatives will go along for the ride because smaller government does mean less spending and taxes. The social conservative will try to go for the ride only to be thwarted by the same arguments of judicial activism that is currently being used against progressives.

This movement will not become “liberal” but may become “libertarian.”

[saxitoxin]

BARRRRRFFFFFF

Your explanation is a cartoonish fantasy that imagines so-called "conservatives" as moustachioed, monocle-wearing villains viciously tying down helpless damsels to railroad tracks.

It is - like most of what you choke up in puke-green spittle across the CC forums - a simple analysis, put forth by a simple-minded person and designed for consumption by simpletons.

There is not a "conservative-liberal" battle in the United States. There is a battle between the people and the Institutional Democrat-Republican Party (the IDRP). The people combine both rightists and leftists while the IDRP represents an existent, entrenched, Strasserist tyranny. That latter creature includes the power-crazed madmen who introduced the so-called PATRIOT Act (Republicans) and the people who eagerly voted for it time and time again and - today - are viciously enforcing it (Democrats, including the pig-whore Obama and his slavish puppet Heinrich Holder).

There is a rightist position, a leftist position and a third position, the latter of which the IDRP represents. You spend your time with your chicken-little rallying cry against the peril of non-existent tyrannical conservatives while ignoring the greater menace of the IDRP's third positionism: the Strasserist ideology - an ideology which is beyond both left and right and off-axis in the traditional L/R spectrum. The IDRP will win this because they have successfully manipulated people like you into distracted whining about a non-existent, imagined menace while the real menace - they themselves - tread, cloven-hooved across your face.

The enemies are not abortion clinic protesters, gay marriage opponents and supporters of whatever other silly issue-du-jour is imagined and pushed forth as distraction-du-jour. In fact, these are the people's allies. The enemies are the neo-Strasserists in the IDRP. The enemies are people who feed the IDRP's distraction games - including you.

You have no souls to be influenced. You are spineless, flaccid things. You pompously call yourselves Republicans and Democrats. There is no Republican Party. There is no Democratic Party. There are no Republicans or Democrats in this house. You are lick-spittlers and panderers ... you talk verbosely in antiquated terminology of your love of liberty, and all the while you wear the scarlet livery of the Iron Heel! - Jack London, 1908

Annnywhooo, that's just ol' Saxi jibber-jabberin'! LOL!
- Saxi!
Official CC Forums "Dad"
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

[john9blue]

BARRRRRFFFFFF

Your explanation is a cartoonish fantasy that imagines so-called "conservatives" as moustachioed, monocle-wearing villains viciously tying down helpless damsels to railroad tracks.

It is - like most of what you choke up in puke-green spittle across the CC forums - a simple analysis, put forth by a simple-minded person and designed for consumption by simpletons.

There is not a "conservative-liberal" battle in the United States. There is a battle between the people and the Institutional Democrat-Republican Party (the IDRP). The people combine both rightists and leftists while the IDRP represents an existent, entrenched, Strasserist tyranny. That latter creature includes the power-crazed madmen who introduced the so-called PATRIOT Act (Republicans) and the people who eagerly voted for it time and time again and - today - are viciously enforcing it (Democrats, including the pig-whore Obama and his slavish puppet Heinrich Holder).

There is a rightist position, a leftist position and a third position, the latter of which the IDRP represents. You spend your time with your chicken-little rallying cry against the peril of non-existent tyrannical conservatives while ignoring the greater menace of the IDRP's third positionism: the Strasserist ideology - an ideology which is beyond both left and right and off-axis in the traditional L/R spectrum. The IDRP will win this because they have successfully manipulated people like you into distracted whining about a non-existent, imagined menace while the real menace - they themselves - tread, cloven-hooved across your face.

The enemies are not abortion clinic protesters, gay marriage opponents and supporters of whatever other silly issue-du-jour is imagined and pushed forth as distraction-du-jour. In fact, these are the people's allies. The enemies are the neo-Strasserists in the IDRP. The enemies are people who feed the IDRP's distraction games - including you.

You have no souls to be influenced. You are spineless, flaccid things. You pompously call yourselves Republicans and Democrats. There is no Republican Party. There is no Democratic Party. There are no Republicans or Democrats in this house. You are lick-spittlers and panderers ... you talk verbosely in antiquated terminology of your love of liberty, and all the while you wear the scarlet livery of the Iron Heel! - Jack London, 1908

Annnywhooo, that's just ol' Saxi jibber-jabberin'! LOL!
- Saxi!
Official CC Forums "Dad"
Unofficial CC Happiness Ombudsman

Quoted for posterity.

[Phatscotty]

Duly....

[Phatscotty]

Ok, so asking about the future of conservatism gets increasingly, and literally, retarded answers. We're up to Washington now, how much further back can we go before we talk about where conservatism is heading?

But yeah- chance to repost the Brad Neely Washington Vid:
Chance Taken

you have not as of yet decided where to start. I will try....

In order to discuss the future of conservatism, we must know your opinion on where the conservatives are at now. If we can not agree where something is, then we will not be able to opine on where it might go...

I guess I win