Should moderators be able to hide their online status?

[army of nobunaga]

I still think that if WE, as the mods, aren't allowed to hide our Online Status, then the COMMUNITY, shouldn't be able to.

Not bad. community is mostly a paying customer though.

But I for one would give that up just to have 100% of the people with jobs taking 100% of their duty's seriously.

[army of nobunaga]

and a troll is a troll, a pup is a pup. a virus is a virus and a SKANK is a skank... Im sure you get my meaning.

[Night Strike]

But I for one would give that up just to have 100% of the people with jobs taking 100% of their duty's seriously.

According to your definition, a mod can only do their duty if they show up online. When has any mod who hides their status NOT taken their task seriously? No Team CC member shirks their duties, and if they did, their team leader wouldn't keep them around for long. There are MANY duties that are done without needing a public online status.

[army of nobunaga]

But I for one would give that up just to have 100% of the people with jobs taking 100% of their duty's seriously.

According to your definition, a mod can only do their duty if they show up online. When has any mod who hides their status NOT taken their task seriously? No Team CC member shirks their duties, and if they did, their team leader wouldn't keep them around for long. There are MANY duties that are done without needing a public online status.

No.. you put words in my mouth.

I say a mod can do his "duty" as defined as is. All in all this site is better maintained than a lot im on.

I am saying this- You take a job, man up and dont hide. BE eastern in your philosophy. I lived in laos for a bit. There was a man that made baskets. People laughed and joked (behind his back) how slow he was at building the basket. But everyone, even me.. admitted they were woven ingenuously. Me and this guy drank a little palm liquor (bad translation) one night... He told me one of the things that has always stayed with me. HE said " I know I am not perfect and I make baskets slow. But it is my job on this mountain, and I give from me all that is me in each one" (bad translation).


Im saying do your job. ffs there are 57 mods. I see the same 12 men every day all day, they dont hide. Mods complain about all the pms they get, well if 57 were showing online doing their jobs, I think all the paying customers questions and concerns would nto be as rampad to a few.


Dont put words in my mouth. Im a jerk... but I dont need your help vilifying me.
I believe that any man that takes up any job should give his all. I live my life like this. And I have learned that online is a lot like the world from you guys. -->
People taking responsibility for the benefits/prestige but not wanting to give up small convenience to better serve the customers.


I think its sad that in my other thread.. I jsut needed a thread closed... and it took 30 hours and 4 mods telling me to open up a support ticket to get a thread closed.

then the mods closed it because of fear
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shit makes me laugh anyway.. little people.


read from my signature.

[ljex]

The nice thing about this is that this is jsut a microcosm of how people are in real life. Some will make it further than others... some will always be chumps. people usually get what they deserve... Im done with this as my 2 polls were closed because the mods didne "like" the way aI worded my polls.

Your previous threads were not locked for the fact that we didnt like your online status...they were locked for flaming and baiting

[army of nobunaga]

The nice thing about this is that this is jsut a microcosm of how people are in real life. Some will make it further than others... some will always be chumps. people usually get what they deserve... Im done with this as my 2 polls were closed because the mods didne "like" the way aI worded my polls.

Your previous threads were not locked for the fact that we didnt like your online status...they were locked for flaming and baiting

well when I read through the original.. I either have to say, baby or liar... you pick.


like I said gl in life... im done with this thread,
you will never make a donkey or a drunk work hard and do its job, people will do what they can get away with.

A mod will be a mod.


And me... Im about to log off and go enjoy a cantena... adios.

[Lindax]

Not bad. community is mostly a paying customer though.

But I for one would give that up just to have 100% of the people with jobs taking 100% of their duty's seriously.

Ok Mr. You and Who's Army

You have your opinion (which you keep repeating until it really becomes boring), now I'll give you mine:

1.- The community is not mostly a paying customer. As a matter of fact I am (so far). I had paid for my premium for a long time before I became a Tournament Director and gave my free premium and other premium prizes I won in tournaments, away. So at least half a dozen premium members are premium because I gave it to them, not because they paid.

2.- When I was asked to help out in the tournament department, I answered: "sure I don't mind helping out". Helping out is not a job, it's helping out as a volunteer.

3.- The tasks I was asked, and agreed, to do, I take seriously. As a matter of fact I was asked to spend "a couple of hours, a few days a week". I spend a few hours every day of the week on my appointed tasks and other things I see that need doing in the tournament department.

4.- I answer PMs the same day, or if you send them in the evening, the next morning. I always answer them within 24 hours and I have never had one that needed immediate, urgent attention.

Where is all this leading, you may ask yourself? Well, I mostly show offline, even though I'm mostly online. In the tournament department there are no issues I have ever come across that need immediate attention, however, when I show online people expect their PMs and/or other issues attended to right away. I don't see why a TO can't wait a few hours or a day for his tournament privileges or tournament winners for their medal. Those aren't even my responsibilities, mine are Abandoned, Rescued and International Tournaments. I'm sorry, but I don't see any emergency in a tournament needing to be abandoned or rescued.

When I do show online, like I do now, I get many PMs that many people expect to be answered immediately because I'm online. Half of the time (or more often) they have nothing to do with my responsibilities. Answering those PMs immediately more often than not interfere with me attending to my responsibilities in the tournament department. Apart from all that, I am also a customer (paying so far) and I like to play online risk. I particularly like speed games. So, if I have something to do with regards to my tournament responsibilities or I am taking my turns or I'm playing speed games, I hide my online status.

I hope this makes you see things a little different. If not, so be it, but no need to keep telling us that.

With all due respect,

Lx

PS: Come down here and we'll discuss it over a beer in the cantina....

[TheForgivenOne]

I still think that if WE, as the mods, aren't allowed to hide our Online Status, then the COMMUNITY, shouldn't be able to.

Not bad. community is mostly a paying customer though.

But I for one would give that up just to have 100% of the people with jobs taking 100% of their duty's seriously.

AoN, i paid for my Premium, does that not make me a paying customer?

Also, how many times, is a Major Serious issue going to arise that needs to be handled immediately? I know for a fact, that the chance of something like this happening in Sugg's is almost none. What about the Entertainment team? What dire issue would be needed by them? Same could go for the Tech Team. We were asked to put in a few hours a day to help out. Not to spend every single moment on here attending to the forums.

[alex951]

only the ones with extended powers

[Dumisani]

yes of course, they are the moderators for a reason you know

[eddie2]

ok just a thought but in each section on main page it highlights what mods control that section could there not be an auto pm function built in that will notify all mods for that section instead of having the hassle of copy and pasting it

[AndyDufresne]

ok just a thought but in each section on main page it highlights what mods control that section could there not be an auto pm function built in that will notify all mods for that section instead of having the hassle of copy and pasting it

If you want a quick way to PM multiple users, use the "Find a member" link when composing a PM. Then in dropdown 'groups' list, select the group you want to view. Say you wanted to send a message to all the Multi Hunters, or maybe people from your clan/usergroup, it'll give you the option to checkmark a number of people (you can use the 'mark all' function), and they will be added to your PM recipient field I think.


--Andy

[eddie2]

ok just a thought but in each section on main page it highlights what mods control that section could there not be an auto pm function built in that will notify all mods for that section instead of having the hassle of copy and pasting it

If you want a quick way to PM multiple users, use the "Find a member" link when composing a PM. Then in dropdown 'groups' list, select the group you want to view. Say you wanted to send a message to all the Multi Hunters, or maybe people from your clan/usergroup, it'll give you the option to checkmark a number of people (you can use the 'mark all' function), and they will be added to your PM recipient field I think.


--Andy

thanks thats another thing i have learnt

[-Maximus-]

I voted, No. Public availability should be a requirement for the mods. They should want us to know they are online, they run the site anyway. It is cool when they are around and anyone can bug them.

[Leehar]

Whoa, I never realized my 1 post would create such a spiraling debate just from that.
Firstly, I think everyone's getting carried away with the issue of things needing immediate attention/emergency...
You're making it out to be too serious. I was talking more about the little things. I'm not sure if most of the mods know it or not, but when contacting a mod, the main purpose is not to spam as many of them as possible with pm's. Over the last few pages I've been seeing comments regarding pm'ing everyone in a mod team or something when someone has an issue (of any kind), but I don't think thats a feasible or intelligent course of action. I don't know about others, but I prefer not to get through a lot of pm's, there are only a limited space for them available, so I feel, the less I get the better (there's more that can be said regarding this, but I'll leave it there for now).
This is why I usually prefer sending wall post. And this is where I think everyone need to look at it at a smaller level. There are numerous examples, but here's just one off the top of my head: 'New member isn't sure about various features of the site, he/she finds the forums intimidating - doesn't feel like going through the different threads to find out the specific details, he/she see's a mod online, sends a quick query on the wall, the mod is helpful: replies, and/or directs him to the correct location to find out the info the member needs - Problem solved!' (This is just something I can recall from my early days in CC where I would've liked to do it this way, but shied away from attempting to do so. Wanted to do a similar thing when I was curious about premium, but in the end went the long way around by actually going to the lengths of pm's Andy)

The other intriguing aspect I find is the issue of privacy which I find repeatedly throughout the thread. I don't understand the exact reasoning behind why privacy is related to being seen online, and I can't really comment on this personally, but I think this comes from a worry of being spammed/bugged by members. My initial reaction to this is that this is one of the trials of being one of the leaders of the cc community and is something that comes with the territory. However, I understand (what I feel) the response by the cc 'admins' (the big bosses) wanting to protect those that have made the effort to volunteer and serve the community from being 'attacked' or swamped from various forces. I see it simply as being where one side feels that the mere fact of you being a mod means that there is no reason for you to hide from those you serve; while the other side feels that the mere fact that a mod took on the responsibility of being a mod and all it entails, that they shouldn't be forced to listen to every 'whining' member of the community.

(Again there was more I wanted to say, but it seems I've lost the thread of my minds thoughts after writing this wall of text - And it's happened quite a bit lately, I have the excuse now of it being past midnight tho)

Also, please note, I'm in no way attacking anybody, I've just posted as I saw it, And I hope my contribution was in some way worthwhile...



Edit: And also, regarding Q&A, and going back to the earlier mention of wall posts and pm's. In that if a mod is online they can just be queried quickly, a response can be received (since the blue message would come on, and be instantly seen), and everyone can go on their merry way. The wall post can also be deleted pretty quickly as well once the problem has been addressed. So it basically adds up to being a quick, painless and hassle-free endeavor (which is basically the conclusion I was aiming for with my initial post.)
I've gotten into the habit lately of just going into chat and asking the mods there about all my various q's (which I'm sure irritates the hell out of them ) but since it actually took me a year to get to that point, I can see others having difficulty going there as well, and obviously sometimes none of the mods are on there, which is why I just feel that knowing when a(ny) mod is online, makes (CC) life easier for all.
Btw, if anyones interested, you could also go into it by looking at mods etc as a form of government and how the interactions between the CC community and mods compares to any relationship within the 'federal government'...

[Optimus Prime]

I voted, No. Public availability should be a requirement for the mods. They should want us to know they are online, they run the site anyway. It is cool when they are around and anyone can bug them.

Being visible to the public at all times should be a requirement only for those who are paid staff. Everyone else is a volunteer and should not under and circumstances be required to be at the beck and call of the public at all times. The idea that they should be is entirely ridiculous. It falls to reason that the volunteer team members probably should consider the idea of making sure they are visible when they are actively working in their appointed roles, but it should never be a requirement for people who give of their time freely.

[-Maximus-]

I voted, No. Public availability should be a requirement for the mods. They should want us to know they are online, they run the site anyway. It is cool when they are around and anyone can bug them.

Being visible to the public at all times should be a requirement only for those who are paid staff. Everyone else is a volunteer and should not under and circumstances be required to be at the beck and call of the public at all times. The idea that they should be is entirely ridiculous. It falls to reason that the volunteer team members probably should consider the idea of making sure they are visible when they are actively working in their appointed roles, but it should never be a requirement for people who give of their time freely.

I agree, if paid, you must show us you are here.

Volunteer mod...thank you, but you can show yourself only if you want to

[mgconstruction]

I voted, No. Public availability should be a requirement for the mods. They should want us to know they are online, they run the site anyway. It is cool when they are around and anyone can bug them.

Being visible to the public at all times should be a requirement only for those who are paid staff. Everyone else is a volunteer and should not under and circumstances be required to be at the beck and call of the public at all times. The idea that they should be is entirely ridiculous. It falls to reason that the volunteer team members probably should consider the idea of making sure they are visible when they are actively working in their appointed roles, but it should never be a requirement for people who give of their time freely.

I agree, if paid, you must show us you are here.

Volunteer mod...thank you, but you can show yourself only if you want to

Or better yet. If the "Paid" mods are required to show their online status. I say give them all a raise in pay, then raise the price of premium from $25 to $35 to cover those expenses & require all non paying members to buy premium to keep the site running. This way we could have a mod online at all times to take care of all these "Emergencies" we have here.
We could then start paying all the Volunteer mods so they could quit their real jobs & work for us & our "Emergencies" too!
Just a thought

[army of nobunaga]

I voted, No. Public availability should be a requirement for the mods. They should want us to know they are online, they run the site anyway. It is cool when they are around and anyone can bug them.

Being visible to the public at all times should be a requirement only for those who are paid staff. Everyone else is a volunteer and should not under and circumstances be required to be at the beck and call of the public at all times. The idea that they should be is entirely ridiculous. It falls to reason that the volunteer team members probably should consider the idea of making sure they are visible when they are actively working in their appointed roles, but it should never be a requirement for people who give of their time freely.

I agree, if paid, you must show us you are here.

Volunteer mod...thank you, but you can show yourself only if you want to

Or better yet. If the "Paid" mods are required to show their online status. I say give them all a raise in pay, then raise the price of premium from $25 to $35 to cover those expenses & require all non paying members to buy premium to keep the site running. This way we could have a mod online at all times to take care of all these "Emergencies" we have here.

Just a thought

I would agree to this... but it was never about emergencys... that was the spin the mods put on all of this with other spins... it was just about dudes doing their responsibilities with 100% seriousness.

Its funny to me how shit gets mixed...

Its hilarious to me how smart mods use my unfavorable disposition and decide to twist an arguement and put words in my mouth... read the original thread... It was never about an emergency... It was about a complete lack of 57 mods.... because most are so selfish they hide.



In many of my forums where I am very well known and respected that have triple the daily users... they have 4-15 mods only.

but those mods are always on, always visible... so many of them never even get a pm.

I have yet to even get one single argument from a mod here that says why they should be hidden other than the "privacy" argument.... It seems to me.. MANY MANY people here that are actually better qualified than they would give up their "privacy" right- to be a mod..

and it would be better for all if that happened.

[army of nobunaga]

honestly... right now only 30% think you should not hide.

This is the difference between you and I....

I am vain, and a weak man. And I would be completely UTTERLY fucking humiliated and embarrassed if 30% of the users here though I was a duty shirker- a hider ... I guess thats how diff we are.

and its cool... I see it will not change.. and Im 100000000000000000000% sure you will lock this thread after 100 or so ppl vote rather than the 20,000 that vote here, just like in the 2 polls I started.

lol....

lucky we are just online.

[eddie2]

just a thought on this one but since some do and some dont hide status is this not making it unfair on the volunters that dont hide it because we are able to see online stats and will usually pm them instead of others.so since they all took the work on they should make it fair on the players that dont wanna hide.

[ljex]

just a thought on this one but since some do and some dont hide status is this not making it unfair on the volunters that dont hide it because we are able to see online stats and will usually pm them instead of others.so since they all took the work on they should make it fair on the players that dont wanna hide.

We all have the option to hide, thus this is not a problem as we choose for ourselves to be hidden or viable. If we had to all choose one I would say hidden as then players have the option of casual freestyle and the tournament directors dont get annoying pm's about privileges/medals. However i like to remain visible so that people i play with can know when im online if they want to play a speed game or need advice in a game.

[lord voldemort]

i guarantee you that if i got slammed too much as a moderator with pm's etc etc then i would hide when im online

[clapper011]

honestly... right now only 30% think you should not hide.

This is the difference between you and I....

I am vain, and a weak man. And I would be completely UTTERLY fucking humiliated and embarrassed if 30% of the users here though I was a duty shirker- a hider ... I guess thats how diff we are.

and its cool... I see it will not change.. and Im 100000000000000000000% sure you will lock this thread after 100 or so ppl vote rather than the 20,000 that vote here, just like in the 2 polls I started.

lol....

lucky we are just online.

this thread will NOT get locked unless it goes off topic, or the flames/name calling start.
have a greeeat day!
clappy

[Master Fenrir]

It falls to reason that the volunteer team members probably should consider the idea of making sure they are visible when they are actively working in their appointed roles, but it should never be a requirement for people who give of their time freely.

Good point. I will remain hidden during the day, but will show online at night when I'm on.

I don't feel the need to justify hiding my status, but I will to address this:

I have yet to even get one single argument from a mod here that says why they should be hidden other than the "privacy" argument

During the day, I'm at work, and cannot guaranty that I will always have the time to address any issues immediately, but I like to stay online so that if I do have the time, I can.

Second, I spend a good majority of my morning and afternoon hours online discussing moves in clan games with my European and Asian clanmates. Because of the time difference, it's the only time that our schedules allow. However, I'm still at work, and it is my first priority. Hiding my status allows me to respond to everything when I'm not busy at work and capable of concentrating and giving good responses and suggestions instead of showing online and receiving PMs asking "WTF, why aren't you responding?!"

If anyone ever needs the help of a Discussion Mod/Volunteer, feel free to PM me or hit my wall even if I'm showing hidden. I should be able to respond to you one way or another in 15 minutes if I'm online.