Obama College Records Sealed (NOT IMPORTANT)

[HapSmo19]

You dont think there is anything "hiding" in Obama's thesis? I do.

Of course you do.
It's politically convenient for you to "speculate" and presume something is being hidden in your hopes to discredit the man, to disparage his ideas, and to question his intentions.

Of course, your attempt is intellectually dishonest - but that doesn't seem to matter to you.

You know,...the way this guy(BO) played everything he could during his campaign to his advantage, I'd say it's a virtual guarantee they were sealed for a good reason. Get real tobi.

[Orwell]

and why is #1 irrelevant?

Covered this:
The fallacy of your argument: that, because something is withheld, there must be something to hide, and if there is something to hide, it must be something undesirable being hidden.

In other words, that something is "sealed" does not implicate it by default - but you, sir, want to think so.

no no no, you dodge again! forget about me! forget I exist! forget about what I think or what you think I think!!!!!

Nope, I am not dodging anything, I am calling you on it.

one...last ...time.. Why is the fact the Obamas college records are sealed not relevant....to you?

Because President Obama's college records are none of our business. The records are sealed. Period.

[Orwell]

You dont think there is anything "hiding" in Obama's thesis? I do.

Of course you do.
It's politically convenient for you to "speculate" and presume something is being hidden in your hopes to discredit the man, to disparage his ideas, and to question his intentions.

Of course, your attempt is intellectually dishonest - but that doesn't seem to matter to you.

You know,...the way this guy(BO) played everything he could during his campaign to his advantage, I'd say it's a virtual guarantee they were sealed for a good reason. Get real tobi.

I see - this is the partisan version of Schrödinger's cat - except Obama is always guilty in your experiment.

[PLAYER57832]

aka: McCarthyism. Guilty unti PROVEN innocent...and by-the-way, only witnesses we know and who have already passed our "tests" are to be heard.

[Phatscotty]

and why is #1 irrelevant?

Covered this:
The fallacy of your argument: that, because something is withheld, there must be something to hide, and if there is something to hide, it must be something undesirable being hidden.

In other words, that something is "sealed" does not implicate it by default - but you, sir, want to think so.

no no no, you dodge again! forget about me! forget I exist! forget about what I think or what you think I think!!!!!

Nope, I am not dodging anything, I am calling you on it.

one...last ...time.. Why is the fact the Obamas college records are sealed not relevant....to you?

Because President Obama's college records are none of our business. The records are sealed. Period.

Ok, but can we continue down this path.

#1 How does Obama get the most important job in the country, without a public viewing of his record?

#2 How does Obama get hired as a professor without having published a single paper? despite being editor of.....wait for it.....the Harvard Law Review, a publication (really? REALLY you don't see the problem here? REALLY?)

Seriously, How can Obama honestly ask people to vote for him with any dignity?

We the people aren't good enough to see what grade he got in psych 101, why should we the people be good enough to vote him into a seat of executive power? that doesn't seem right.

hey, if you are taking the position that it's cool nobody can know how smart Obama really is or what his collegiate qualifications are simply because Obama is your guy, I will accept that. I don't respect it, but I accept that there are people like that out there. I say this because, even though I am talking about Obama, you keep turning it on me somehow. I don't know what the name of that tactic is, but I know what it means when you are the one deflecting, despite never having been attacked....

it would help if you had something you can stand on. I understand and you admit this is not the case...I understand the difficulty of arguing your position. really, i do...

In closing, not to change the subject too much, but how do you feel about Obamas promises of transparency?

[Orwell]

Well, what you've suggested is different from mine. You're saying that what he's hiding is "out of order" while I haven't said that.

No, I haven't said that either - as stated, it is what Phatscotty implies it in his "speculation"

Whatever it is that he's hiding, it can probably be used against him; however, it doesn't have to be "out of order." That hidden thing can be manipulated to their own purposes.

Now, you're just putting words in my own argument. Would you like to run the cycle one more time, or move on?

I don't need to put words in your argument, you have.

There is no point in continuing - unless, of course, you continue to imply there is something to hide.

[Phatscotty]

Well, what you've suggested is different from mine. You're saying that what he's hiding is "out of order" while I haven't said that.

No, I haven't said that either - as stated, it is what Phatscotty implies it in his "speculation"

Whatever it is that he's hiding, it can probably be used against him; however, it doesn't have to be "out of order." That hidden thing can be manipulated to their own purposes.

Now, you're just putting words in my own argument. Would you like to run the cycle one more time, or move on?

I don't need to put words in your argument, you have.

There is no point in continuing - unless, of course, you continue to imply there is something to hide.

perhaps we should ask the one who is doing the hiding? how are you so sure there is nothing to hide? what do you base your position on?

Stop asking me and BBS like we fucking know. the whole point is, we don't know, and that includes you buddy! but guess what, only one of us are acting like we know, and that is you! oh, so priceless

you want to sit and cling to your argument that just because something is sealed/off limits/unavailable, you can make some symantic argument that technically is not the same as hiding something. gimme a friggin break for real!

[PLAYER57832]

and why is #1 irrelevant?

Covered this:
The fallacy of your argument: that, because something is withheld, there must be something to hide, and if there is something to hide, it must be something undesirable being hidden.

In other words, that something is "sealed" does not implicate it by default - but you, sir, want to think so.

no no no, you dodge again! forget about me! forget I exist! forget about what I think or what you think I think!!!!!

Nope, I am not dodging anything, I am calling you on it.

one...last ...time.. Why is the fact the Obamas college records are sealed not relevant....to you?

Because President Obama's college records are none of our business. The records are sealed. Period.

Ok, but can we continue down this path.

#1 How does Obama get the most important job in the country, without a public viewing of his record?

Because we look at his recent, relevant WORK record, not his distant, irrelevant college career.

#2 How does Obama get hired as a professor without having published a single paper? despite being editor of.....wait for it.....the Harvard Law Review, a publication (really? REALLY you don't see the problem here? REALLY?)

Publication is not required to be hired as a professor. Editors often don't write in the publications they edit. (even "editorials", with some exceptions).

Really Phatt.. you show your ignorance, not anything against Obama here.

Seriously, How can Obama honestly ask people to vote for him with any dignity?

Well, most of us who did are not listening to the highly biased right-wing sources you consider "truth" without bothering to verify. And, if we do... we DEFINITELY verify what is said, as we do most everything else to which we listen.

We the people aren't good enough to see what grade he got in psych 101, why should we the people be good enough to vote him into a seat of executive power? that doesn't seem right.

Yes, classic McCarthyist argument.. pull out baloney, make it a big to-do. Ask for something utterly irrelevant, something normally private and make a BIG DEAL out of the fact that this normally private information was not made public.

Want pictures of him brushing his teeth in the morning now, too? After all, we don't REALLY know how he gets those teeth so white, now do we? Could be all fakery!

hey, if you are taking the position that it's cool nobody can know how smart Obama really is or what his collegiate qualifications are simply because Obama is your guy, I will accept that. I don't respect it, but I accept that there are people like that out there. I say this because, even though I am talking about Obama, you keep turning it on me somehow. I don't know what the name of that tactic is, but I know what it means when you are the one deflecting, despite never having been attacked....

When you actually talk about Obama and not some illusionary idiocy that some right wingers try to claim is "Obama".. then you might have a discussion.

it would help if you had something you can stand on.

Why? You don't seem to think you need anything.

[PLAYER57832]

Well, what you've suggested is different from mine. You're saying that what he's hiding is "out of order" while I haven't said that.

No, I haven't said that either - as stated, it is what Phatscotty implies it in his "speculation"

Whatever it is that he's hiding, it can probably be used against him; however, it doesn't have to be "out of order." That hidden thing can be manipulated to their own purposes.

Now, you're just putting words in my own argument. Would you like to run the cycle one more time, or move on?

I don't need to put words in your argument, you have.

There is no point in continuing - unless, of course, you continue to imply there is something to hide.

perhaps we should ask the one who is doing the hiding? how are you so sure there is nothing to hide? what do you base your position on?

60 years ago, in Congress (words approximate, not a transcript):

I see, so you are REFUSING to tell us the names of all those with whom you have associated in the past year? You DO realize you are under oath?... "what are you trying to hide?"

OR

So do you deny meeting with Mr. ____ a KNOWN communist? And you say that if you did, you have NO RECOLLECTION of actually meeting with this KNOWN COMMUNIST?

Stop asking me and BBS like we fucking know. the whole point is, we don't know, and that includes you buddy! but guess what, only one of us are acting like we know, and that is you! oh, so priceless

The whole point is that when it comes to attacks on Obama, you could care less about truth. You have your mind made up and anyone who disagrees just "does not understand the truth". No matter if what you think agrees with reality or not.

[Woodruff]

#1 How does Obama get the most important job in the country, without a public viewing of his record?

Americans voted for him. Duh?

#2 How does Obama get hired as a professor without having published a single paper? despite being editor of.....wait for it.....the Harvard Law Review, a publication (really? REALLY you don't see the problem here? REALLY?)

Someone hired him. Duh?

Seriously, How can Obama honestly ask people to vote for him with any dignity?

By asking people to vote for him in a dignified way. Duh?

I mean...really. I know you actually know these answers, so what are you trying to do here?

We the people aren't good enough to see what grade he got in psych 101, why should we the people be good enough to vote him into a seat of executive power? that doesn't seem right.

And yet, we the people DID vote him in. Whining about it now seems...odd, at best.

[Orwell]

How does Obama get the most important job in the country, without a public viewing of his record?

By election after a 2 year vetting process.

How does Obama get hired as a professor without having published a single paper? despite being editor of.....wait for it.....the Harvard Law Review, a publication (really? REALLY you don't see the problem here? REALLY?)

The only problem I see is you throwing mud in the hope it will stick.

Seriously, How can Obama honestly ask people to vote for him with any dignity?

This is a manufactured issue. Obama's integrity is unaffected by your mudslinging.

We the people aren't good enough to see what grade he got in psych 101, why should we the people be good enough to vote him into a seat of executive power? that doesn't seem right.

We the people voted him into office. His grades are irrelevant.

hey, if you are taking the position that it's cool nobody can know how smart Obama really is or what his collegiate qualifications are simply because Obama is your guy, I will accept that. I don't respect it, but I accept that there are people like that out there. I say this because, even though I am talking about Obama, you keep turning it on me somehow. I don't know what the name of that tactic is, but I know what it means when you are the one deflecting, despite never having been attacked....

I am calling you on your manufactured issue and the fallacious logic you use to rationalize it - and the only reason you are doing it is to discredit the man, disparage his ideas, and question his intentions.

I don't really care what grades he got or the intellectual discourse he explored in college and I certainly do not care if his records are sealed. He has committed no crime, and there is no reason to assume or imply something insidious are in those records.

it would help if you had something you can stand on. I understand and you admit this is not the case...I understand the difficulty of arguing your position. really, i do...

But I have no difficultly arguing my position - the records are sealed.

In closing, not to change the subject too much, but how do you feel about Obamas promises of transparency?

You are conflating transparency in government with prying into his personal life.

There is a lack of government transparency that has bothered me for a long time. I did not expect the Obama Administration to be much different than previous administrations and I am not going to defend their status quo approach.

[Phatscotty]

#1 How does Obama get the most important job in the country, without a public viewing of his record?

Americans voted for him. Duh?

#2 How does Obama get hired as a professor without having published a single paper? despite being editor of.....wait for it.....the Harvard Law Review, a publication (really? REALLY you don't see the problem here? REALLY?)

Someone hired him. Duh?

Seriously, How can Obama honestly ask people to vote for him with any dignity?

By asking people to vote for him in a dignified way. Duh?

I mean...really. I know you actually know these answers, so what are you trying to do here?

We the people aren't good enough to see what grade he got in psych 101, why should we the people be good enough to vote him into a seat of executive power? that doesn't seem right.

And yet, we the people DID vote him in. Whining about it now seems...odd, at best.

We voted for someone who lied, BIG TIME. Don't let me get in the way of whining about it simply by showing the lie.

"He's the smartest president ever!" - whoever created that image, working with no evidence of smartness, deserves a raise

[Phatscotty]

Obama LONGGGGGG HISTORY OF "NO VOTEs!?"

We don't even know how he voted in the senate, because he hardly ever voted....

The plot thickens....

After 5 pages of argument, the facts remain unchanged...

Obama birth certificate: SEALED (you have to take the harvard lawyer w/political ambitions word for it)
Obama college records: SEALED (you have to take the harvard lawyer w/political ambitions word for it)
Obama voting records: SEALED (he cast "no vote" 97% of his votes, hence, you can't look up his voting record)

for sure, he's an american, hes uber-intelligent, and a political genius. "I just know"

[Woodruff]

We voted for someone who lied, BIG TIME.

We had absolutely no choice but to vote for someone who "lied, BIG TIME". Given the options of Barack Obama and John McCain, we were required to either vote for a big time liar or not vote at all.

[Phatscotty]

We voted for someone who lied, BIG TIME.

We had absolutely no choice but to vote for someone who "lied, BIG TIME". Given the options of Barack Obama and John McCain, we were required to either vote for a big time liar or not vote at all.

Respect for reading my words and understanding.

I can still point out the lies of the big time liar, so that the lie won't work again

[Woodruff]

We voted for someone who lied, BIG TIME.

We had absolutely no choice but to vote for someone who "lied, BIG TIME". Given the options of Barack Obama and John McCain, we were required to either vote for a big time liar or not vote at all.

Respect for reading my words and understanding.

I can still point out the lies of the big time liar, so that the lie won't work again

Absolutely...but you should keep it to actual lies, rather than made up lies such as reside in this thread.

[Phatscotty]

We voted for someone who lied, BIG TIME.

We had absolutely no choice but to vote for someone who "lied, BIG TIME". Given the options of Barack Obama and John McCain, we were required to either vote for a big time liar or not vote at all.

Respect for reading my words and understanding.

I can still point out the lies of the big time liar, so that the lie won't work again

Absolutely...but you should keep it to actual lies, rather than made up lies such as reside in this thread.

i have not made up any lies, only asking people why the lie exists, and what the reality of the lie could be. In full disclosure, I have been aware of the title of the rumored Obama thesis this entire time. I think it's a fake, and I'm not passing it on. However, if I wanted to spread lies and play games with it, the title of the thesis is damning in it's own right, and I would broadcast it on every post probably. I didn't do that.

I guess I will just have to accept the fact that nobody knows anything about Obama. Not even his voting record.

humble lolz

goodnight

[Woodruff]

We voted for someone who lied, BIG TIME.

We had absolutely no choice but to vote for someone who "lied, BIG TIME". Given the options of Barack Obama and John McCain, we were required to either vote for a big time liar or not vote at all.

Respect for reading my words and understanding.

I can still point out the lies of the big time liar, so that the lie won't work again

Absolutely...but you should keep it to actual lies, rather than made up lies such as reside in this thread.

i have not made up any lies, only asking people why the lie exists, and what the reality of the lie could be.

No. Having the records sealed is not in any way, shape nor form a lie. You have, however, thrown out statements of speculation in this thread that are clearly intended only as lies.

[Night Strike]

How does Obama get the most important job in the country, without a public viewing of his record?

By election after a 2 year vetting process.

The thoroughness is quite debatable.

[Phatscotty]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

[Woodruff]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

[HapSmo19]

I think tobi could be right on this. His stuff is probably sealed because it's so awesome that he doesn't want everyone to feel inferior to his total awesomeness.

[Woodruff]

I think Woody and tobi could be right on this. His stuff is probably sealed because it's so awesome that he doesn't want everyone to feel inferior to his total awesomeness.

Why are you trying to imply that I've even hinted at such a thing when I have not? Don't have enough of a leg to stand on without making stuff up about my position on the subject?

[HapSmo19]

I barely pay attention....or less.

If you remove your name from where you quoted me, I'll remove from my post.

Oh wait...

[Phatscotty]

That's not true at all Woody. I simply hold the opinion that, since the records are sealed, he probably got shitty grades and was one of those shitty students who never showed up except for a test. I would bet his GPA was 2.something... He probably dropped a lot of classes at Occidental too (he admits he partied way too much) just doing my own thinking here pal. Is that a stretch?

It's a lie in my book, unless you know it is the truth, because you are intentionally making a statement about which you have no evidence at all.

yeah but, do you really believe that if you have no evidence (or none is available).....you can never ever talk about that subject? and if you do, you are "making up lies"?

We're screwed in that case

I mean really, what evidence is there that we went into Iraq for oil?