Did Yah Himself Walk Earth as the Son?

[jonesthecurl]

There are one or two people around who think that might not be true, perhaps.

[Timminz]

Okay, I'm no theologician, or whatever. What sect is the lionz a part of.

[jonesthecurl]

In-sect.

[Lionz]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

[tkr4lf]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

Then in the eyes of your fellow christians (or the ones I've had the misfortune of knowing) you would be referred to as a backslider. And by the way, there are many who do not believe in your fairy tales. And somebody mentioned earlier that you have wasted nothing by believing, yet those who don't believe could be punished if it turns out to be real. I feel I must say that fear of punishment is no reason to believe in something. Or rather being afraid of what happens if a belief turns out to be real is not a good reason to believe in it.

[Victor Sullivan]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

Then in the eyes of your fellow christians (or the ones I've had the misfortune of knowing) you would be referred to as a backslider. And by the way, there are many who do not believe in your fairy tales. And somebody mentioned earlier that you have wasted nothing by believing, yet those who don't believe could be punished if it turns out to be real. I feel I must say that fear of punishment is no reason to believe in something. Or rather being afraid of what happens if a belief turns out to be real is not a good reason to believe in it.

God's not about making people "fear his wrath" and crap, that's just a stereotype, kinda like the guy that knocks on your door and says, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand" or "Repent! For judgement is near!" or other garbage. I believe in God because he is always looking out for me and what's best for me. I think of God in a positive way, like how he freely gives eternal life to anyone who wants it, or how he answers prayers and such rather than the "You're all going to hell" kind of thinking. And this is probably because I already know for fact I'm going to heaven. I know I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you know who William Lane Craig is? You should watch his debate with Antony Flew on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maoGItxwTTA

-Sully

[natty dread]

I already know for fact I'm going to heaven.

how

[HapSmo19]

I'm neither here nor there on this but, if I had to lean one way or another, I'd go with creation - by ET's to be used as slave-labor to mine whatever was where the grand canyon is now.

Prove me wrong.

[natty dread]

I'm neither here nor there on this but, if I had to lean one way or another, I'd go with creation - by ET's to be used as slave-labor to mine whatever was where the grand canyon is now.

Prove me wrong.

I say you are wrong. Prove me wrong.

[AAFitz]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

Then in the eyes of your fellow christians (or the ones I've had the misfortune of knowing) you would be referred to as a backslider. And by the way, there are many who do not believe in your fairy tales. And somebody mentioned earlier that you have wasted nothing by believing, yet those who don't believe could be punished if it turns out to be real. I feel I must say that fear of punishment is no reason to believe in something. Or rather being afraid of what happens if a belief turns out to be real is not a good reason to believe in it.

God's not about making people "fear his wrath" and crap, that's just a stereotype, kinda like the guy that knocks on your door and says, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand" or "Repent! For judgement is near!" or other garbage. I believe in God because he is always looking out for me and what's best for me. I think of God in a positive way, like how he freely gives eternal life to anyone who wants it, or how he answers prayers and such rather than the "You're all going to hell" kind of thinking. And this is probably because I already know for fact I'm going to heaven. I know I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you know who William Lane Craig is? You should watch his debate with Antony Flew on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maoGItxwTTA

-Sully

So, I suppose if you were born and living in a poverty stricken country forced to drink the same water you piss and shit into, and be lucky to die early as the pangs of the hundred viruses that will probably kill you before you are ten years old, you wouldnt believe, because...It doesnt much seem like hes looking out for whats best for them, or answering their prayers, except perhaps the ones that ask to die early to avoid the suffering. I hope you get that skateboard you prayed for though. Those things are cool.

[tkr4lf]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

Then in the eyes of your fellow christians (or the ones I've had the misfortune of knowing) you would be referred to as a backslider. And by the way, there are many who do not believe in your fairy tales. And somebody mentioned earlier that you have wasted nothing by believing, yet those who don't believe could be punished if it turns out to be real. I feel I must say that fear of punishment is no reason to believe in something. Or rather being afraid of what happens if a belief turns out to be real is not a good reason to believe in it.

God's not about making people "fear his wrath" and crap, that's just a stereotype, kinda like the guy that knocks on your door and says, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand" or "Repent! For judgement is near!" or other garbage. I believe in God because he is always looking out for me and what's best for me. I think of God in a positive way, like how he freely gives eternal life to anyone who wants it, or how he answers prayers and such rather than the "You're all going to hell" kind of thinking. And this is probably because I already know for fact I'm going to heaven. I know I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you know who William Lane Craig is? You should watch his debate with Antony Flew on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maoGItxwTTA

-Sully

God may not be making people fear his wrath, but that is the message the majority of preachers and christians in general (that I have known, mind you, I am not trying to say it is all of them.) They use the argument that "Well if I'm wrong then I've wasted nothing, but if you're wrong then you're going to go to hell." Well, I am just saying that to buy into a religious belief system because one is scared of the consequences if it is true and they are not a believer, is a very dumb reason to subscribe to a faith. And there are many, many christians I have known that believe or profess to believe precisely because of this. It is not logical at all. If you want to believe in something, be my guest. But at least have some good reasons for it. (Which I guess you do, as you say God has blessed you and so you choose to worship him. Good enough for me, but still, I must ask, how do you know for sure that you are going to heaven? What if you commit a sin, and before asking for forgiveness, a bus runs you over? Would you not then go to hell as yo would have unrepented sins?)

[tkr4lf]

I'm neither here nor there on this but, if I had to lean one way or another, I'd go with creation - by ET's to be used as slave-labor to mine whatever was where the grand canyon is now.

Prove me wrong.

I say you are wrong. Prove me wrong.

And that's just it...neither one of you can prove the other one wrong. There is no proof one way or the other on whether there is a god or not, and if so, which god. That is why I am agnostic. Because we cant possibly know for sure. Sorry for the double post.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

Then in the eyes of your fellow christians (or the ones I've had the misfortune of knowing) you would be referred to as a backslider. And by the way, there are many who do not believe in your fairy tales. And somebody mentioned earlier that you have wasted nothing by believing, yet those who don't believe could be punished if it turns out to be real. I feel I must say that fear of punishment is no reason to believe in something. Or rather being afraid of what happens if a belief turns out to be real is not a good reason to believe in it.

God's not about making people "fear his wrath" and crap, that's just a stereotype, kinda like the guy that knocks on your door and says, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand" or "Repent! For judgement is near!" or other garbage. I believe in God because he is always looking out for me and what's best for me. I think of God in a positive way, like how he freely gives eternal life to anyone who wants it, or how he answers prayers and such rather than the "You're all going to hell" kind of thinking. And this is probably because I already know for fact I'm going to heaven. I know I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you know who William Lane Craig is? You should watch his debate with Antony Flew on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maoGItxwTTA

-Sully

Sorry for jumping on the bandwagon of the Beat Down Sully Crew, but it's still coercion if a book (God)/establishment declares that the punishment for disobeying the rules is Fiery Hell.

[2dimes]

Where does it say that?

[Brainalack]

There is physical proof that Yah's words ar true. The cities Sodom and Gomorah have been found! As well as pharoah's army under the Red Sea!! A man named Michael Rood has video of all this. His website is MichaelRood.tv .

[Lionz]

tkr - you might say I was never a church going type...is there one you're aware of that calls Him Yahushua or that tries to honor the 7th day as a sabbath day?

Hap - how serious are you being? : ) are you proposing that humanoid lifeforms arose from sponaneously generated single celled organisms on two seperate planets? what if the truth is that Yah is real and He created humanoid life on earth and off earth? and humanoid fallen angels came to earth and did genetic experiments and used humans as slaves? what does the word nephilim mean to you?

AA - who knows how happy more than one individual is? what if there are hungry Africans who are happier than Angelina and Brad? and what if we have plenty to eat and should be doing more?

[tkr4lf]

tkr - you might say I was never a church going type...is there one you're aware of that calls Him Yahushua or that tries to honor the 7th day as a sabbath day?

No, i am not aware of any. If I remember correctly however, Judaism honors the sabbath on the 7th day. As far as I know, I've never heard anyone call him Yah or Yahushua. I have heard YHWH, normally pronounced as yahweh. But I guess if you've never really gone to church then you can't be considered a backslider. But, a small suggestion for you, maybe convert to Judaism. I don't know much about you, but from the small amount I've inferred based on this thread, perhaps that is closer to your thinking than Christianity. Don't know if that is in any way true or not, just a suggestion.

Edit: Well, I guess nevermind on the converting to Judaism thing. I just re-read the original post, and yeah, you're asking if god came back as jesus, so apparently you do believe in jesus' divinity. So I guess you can't become a Jew. Oh well, I tried.

[tkr4lf]

Where does it say that?

In the bible. It says that the only way into heaven is through belief in Jesus. Therefore, if you do not believe in Jesus, then you will not get into heaven. And if you do not get into heaven, then there is only one more place to go, and that is hell. Perhaps read it and you will see.

[guardian1357]

You might say I speak odd on cc and in general. What if we have a soul and a spirit and a body and He does as well, 2dimes?

What if we dont, and you wasted your entire life believing in fiction?

well its not like he has anything to lose.

If he is right he wins big...if he is wrong he dies and as soon as he is dead begins decomposing and doesnt really think "shit I wasted my life" he is dead and isnt thinking.

[guardian1357]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

then your a hypocrite and a false teacher...

The bible clearly states that believers should gather in groups to worship in his name and also teaches should someone teach something other than is written in the bible that he is a false prophet.

How do you think you can pick and choose what to obey and follow in the bible?

[daddy1gringo]

tkr - you might say I was never a church going type...is there one you're aware of that calls Him Yahushua or that tries to honor the 7th day as a sabbath day?

What you are describing is a Messianic Jewish synagogue. If you don't know of one in your area, try contacting "Jews for Jesus".

[tempest-n-a-tcup]

Seventh Day Adventists as well, I think.

[daddy1gringo]

Sect? Hmmm.What if I love Yah and I believe He created the heavens and the earth and believe He walked earth as Yahushua and believe Yahushua died for trangressions of others before rising again and yet there is no church building I feel real good about and I have not walked into one in years?

then your a hypocrite and a false teacher...

The bible clearly states that believers should gather in groups to worship in his name and also teaches should someone teach something other than is written in the bible that he is a false prophet.

How do you think you can pick and choose what to obey and follow in the bible?

Way harsh, dude. The single verse you are talking about is Hebrews 10:25, "Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching." The "let us" is a passive construction or subjunctive mood, which is a weak imperative, almost a suggestion or a wish. Certainly "meeting together" is not an absolute imperative of our faith. Paul here says the same about "encourag[ing] one another". How encouraged do you think Lionz is right now to go to the kind of meetings you go to? It's good that you have found the kind of Christian community where you belong and can give and receive encouragement; he obviously has not yet.

Look over Galatians 1:15-2:9. After Saul/Paul was converted God deliberately had him avoid "the Church" so that he would be hearing only from Him, not man. When God finally moved him, years later, to talk to Peter and the others, they gave him "the right hand of fellowship."

[2dimes]

Yet when the early church got together they sold things rather than buying a building that is only used a few days a week. They not only didn't go to the "church" which would be the temples, they would be at great risk to do so.

Yahushua stated, "When two are gathered in my name I am there also."

Some might be well advised to use caution regarding the measure they judge by.

[2dimes]

I've never heard anyone call him Yah or Yahushua. I have heard YHWH, normally pronounced as yahweh.

Here's a link to a guy discussing those names. I don't endorse him or his teachings but if you have any ability to decern things you should be able to come to an understanding of his basic premise.

http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html

So far from reading it I loosly agree with the content. Basically it would be kind of like reading about a great guy from somewhere you've never been, since you can't pronounce his name "李振藩" you call him, Kevin. You decide to rewrite the book in english and use Kevin so everyone can pronounce his name and talk among them selves about him. No matter how much you want it to be true, his name is not Kevin. You can decide for yourself if it's important.

I find it interesting that so many people sing about how powerfull and important his name is while not actually using it.