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Nobunaga wrote:.... True Crime? I've not been in a Western book store for about 4 years.... but doesn't sound very appealing.
... Where is the next Phillip K. Dick? The next Ellis Peters? .... None in sight.
vtmarik wrote:I think the Da Vinci Code will outsell X-Men 3 simply because it's so controversial.
You don't see gobs and gobs of people protesting the changes in Rogue's origin story, do you?
Daesthai wrote:I read it. I thought it was a good, fun read. Personally, I liked Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons" a lot better as far as the story is concerned. In regard to the controversy, I kept out of it. I believe what I believe and this book, though entertaining, doesn't change anything for me.
Scarus wrote:I pretty much agree with Truman that the real danger in the movie is that it presents fiction as fact to an audience which in large part is incapbable of distinguishing between the two. That's the real danger of the movie and why many churchs are outraged by it.
To give you an example from my everyday life, I overheard two of the secretaries in my office talking about how the movie had really opened up their eyes about the Catholic Church, and that they felt everyone should see the movie so they would know what's really going on. I mentioned to them that the movie was fiction, and not based on any facts. This didn't faze them a bit. One of them said something about a church coverup, and I'm sure they both thought that I was just trying to be superior, or something.
It used to be that if something was in print that the masses couldn't help but think that it was true. Now, we're seeing the same thing, except even more so, about film.
mikey6rocker wrote:There is alot of controversy going around, personally I can wait to see this movie and I really enjoyed the book. What do you think?
This book and movie aren't just for entertainment. Most everyone can see that except maybe a few atheists and skeptics
Truman wrote:People will surely start questioning the Bible and Christianity more than ever with this movie, Vtmarik. People everywhere are asking questions like, "Are we sure we can trust the gospels we have now? Weren't they just picked by a close vote in the church just to agree with politics at the time?"
The opposing side to the gospels being added to the Bible was 2 "votes." (They weren't really votes, by the way.) The gospels chosen were the only ones written contemporaneously to the time of Christ. Every other one was written in the second century or afterward. They'll say, "Well that's because the others were squashed by the Church!" Oh really? I want evidence. There's absolutely no evidence of this and many people are asking thsi same question.
There are many questions being asked by people around the world because of this book. Of course, there are rational answers for each one. About 99.7% of the book is fiction, even though the first word of the first chapter says, "FACT," and then lists a large bunch of ficticious baloney, making it sound fact.
"The Da Vinci Code" does not attempt to make people think the story is true. It only rises foolish questioning among millions. That is the problem.
Also, Vtmarik, the examples you give are completely beside the point. "X-Men" and "Star Trek" are obviously false stories that never happened, just as "The Da Vinci Code." The difference is, there is already controversy over Jesus and Christianity. This is what makes "The Da Vinci Code" so dangerous, is that it supports the claims made by skeptics, but in a misrepresenting way (with lies). Wake up, Vtmarik. This book and movie aren't just for entertainment. Most everyone can see that except maybe a few atheists and skeptics.
Truman wrote:Well, no. The opposing side to the gospels being added to the Bible was 2 "votes." (They weren't really votes, by the way.) The gospels chosen were the only ones written contemporaneously to the time of Christ. Every other one was written in the second century or afterward. They'll say, "Well that's because the others were squashed by the Church!" Oh really? I want evidence. There's absolutely no evidence of this and many people are asking thsi same question.
Evidence? How about the fact that the Gospel of Thomas is still decried as heresy by the Vatican?
While it may not be evidence, it certainly has the look, feel, and sound of evidence.
What you're talking about is truthiness, the fact that something sounds true and so therefore it is. That's not logic, that's just dumb.
Doesn't sound like a problem for me, it's just idiots advertising the fact that they are idiots. I like that, it helps me avoid them.
Anyone who reads this book for any reason other than entertainment is an idiot. Anyone who reads this book and takes everything inside as proof of holy writ is an idiot. So we should ban a book because it plays on people's insecurities and ignorance...
Wow, that sure sounds familiar... what other books take advantage of people looking for cheap and easy answers?
The Bible and L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics springs to mind...
How do you know when the gospels are written? If you took at actual academic literature, you'll realize that most scholars do not believe the gospels to be authentic.
Truman wrote:The gospel of Thomas is overall estimated by most historians to have been written in the second century, at around the time of 200 A.D. This is nowhere close to the four gospels we have in the Bible, which are dated to have been written from 50 A.D. to 90 A.D. It's obvious that the gospel of Thomas was not written by Thomas.
Also, where did I say that something sounds true to me? Please share a quote.
Oh well, I'm sorry I bumped into your intelligible and clever brain, Mr. Man!The fact that you understand that most of the book is fiction doesn't compare to the millions of others who are being deceived. You may not care, but I, and many many other do.
I never said people would read the book for knowledge. The story is fiction, but Dan Brown himself claimed that there are many "facts" he used to bind the story. In other words, he says much of the "historical" part of the book is true. Doesn't that sound like indoctrination to you? Yes, this book is labeled "FICTION" because the story is fiction. The lies used to bind it are not meant to be fiction. I think you've stumbled again.
I bet you've never read one whole page of the Bible... Some skeptic you are.
Never heard of "Dianetics" before. I'll look into it.
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