Juan and Insomnia Red

[Darwins_Bane]

guys, guys. this thread is about juan + insomniared.

Correct you are, sir. I would blame clapper, but that might shorten my lifespan. I wonder if they would go well together, considering how much they fight:P

[john9blue]

guys, guys. this thread is about juan + insomniared.

Correct you are, sir. I would blame clapper, but that might shorten my lifespan. I wonder if they would go well together, considering how much they fight:P

Never blame clapper. She is always right.

[jonesthecurl]

true but off-topic.

[denominator]

Well to be fair, my primary area of concentration is in Suggestions, so basically the only things I say are, "Good Idea" or "Bad Idea".

...and that qualifies you for the ban-hammer?

[BigBallinStalin]

Well to be fair, my primary area of concentration is in Suggestions, so basically the only things I say are, "Good Idea" or "Bad Idea". On another note, all she's doing is reiterating the forum guidelines, which are what you agree to abide by in order to post in the forums. Are you saying you would rather see anything allowed on the forums. Wouldn't that degrade a lot and make these forums a less fun place to be?

Of course we don't, but people themselves can self-rule, as we have more or less seen here in this thread regarding the almighty, never to be changed OT, which should be susceptible to change in accordance with the OP's allowance.

Let's get the non-moderated moderating ball rolling BBS-style:

:roll: You're on a 3 day chat ban. Are you really going to complain about it the entire time? I know exactly why you were banned, and now that I think about, I am beginning to think you really don't know what it is you did wrong. I hope for everyone's sake you do learn though because if it happens again, you will be banned for a week, and then we have to deal with these kinds of thread for a week.

Things we shouldn't talk about: chat bans that are no going to be lifted as they are fully justified.

Actually, (@IneedmybeautysleepRed) he's requesting why you banned him, therefore you should give him the reasons why. If you'd like to become a better moderator, either you show your reasoning regardless of the possible mistakes made or continue to fail in your duties as a proper mod.

[Darwins_Bane]

Of course we don't, but people themselves can self-rule, as we have more or less seen here in this thread regarding the almighty, never to be changed OT, which should be susceptible to change in accordance with the OP's allowance.

It has been my experience, that self-moderation would fail in a similar to the way self-policing fails in RL.

Actually, (@IneedmybeautysleepRed) he's requesting why you banned him, therefore you should give him the reasons why. If you'd like to become a better moderator, either you show your reasoning regardless of the possible mistakes made or continue to fail in your duties as a proper mod.

As well, if he wants to ask why he was banned, it should be via a pm and not the in the forums. At that point my only conclusion can be that he was trying to just get attention. If you want to get down to it, I was the one who actually saw what he wrote, and I felt it was offensive. If he wants to take it up with me, he can pm me. If you would like to continue a discussion on that line, I welcome you to pm me as well.
I just feel that creating a huge drama in the forums is not the way to deal with this.

[Fircoal]

Of course we don't, but people themselves can self-rule, as we have more or less seen here in this thread regarding the almighty, never to be changed OT, which should be susceptible to change in accordance with the OP's allowance.

It has been my experience, that self-moderation would fail in a similar to the way self-policing fails in RL.

And in my experience it's epic stuff. Basically because other users can flex their non-mod powers and control things well. Really from my experience is that when everyone is equal in a group with no mods or such, the group is happier and have less of power-hungry stance.

[rdsrds2120]

All of the mods are lusting after Juan?

DAMN.

Bet yo' sweet behind we are. SEXY!

-rd

[clapper011]

guys, guys. this thread is about juan + insomniared.

Correct you are, sir. I would blame clapper, but that might shorten my lifespan. I wonder if they would go well together, considering how much they fight:P

Never blame clapper. She is always right.

I never have claimed to be "always right" and I know I am not always right and admit to not being right when im not! And no ban hammer here...as everyone has been following the guidelines except for the odd off topic-ing... perhaps red and juan should take this to private pm as then maybe she can better explain to him without everyone else getting whats being said mixed up... as in this quote of reds:

I am beginning to think you really don't know what it is you did wrong

[blakebowling]

IMO, people need to stop reading into what is said. A post is a post, a mod is a mod, a ban is a ban, and if you don't like any of these things, keep in mind the following:
#1. this is the internet people
#2. See #1
#3. This is a gaming website (as in, you should have something better to do than criticize the people that try to keep the forums civilized)
#4. This is an online community (Shocker, See #1), it's not a democracy, there is a place called suggestions where you can make your case if you wish for something to be changed, but otherwise the rules are as they are, and nothing good can come from complaining about them (instead, make a suggestion of how to improve).

EDIT: I changed the above after re-reading my post. The point I was trying to make is now stated more clearly above. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression.

[clapper011]

IMO, people need to stop reading into what is said. A post is a post, a mod is a mod, a ban is a ban, and if you don't like any of these things, keep in mind the following:
#1. this is the internet people
#2. See #1
#3. This is a gaming website (as in, you should have something better to do than criticize the people that try to keep the forums civilized)
#4. This is an online community (Shocker, See #1), the administration and the moderators can do whatever they please.

this is not true. we can NOT do whatever we please.

[Fircoal]

IMO, people need to stop reading into what is said. A post is a post, a mod is a mod, a ban is a ban, and if you don't like any of these things, keep in mind the following:
#1. this is the internet people
#2. See #1
#3. This is a gaming website (as in, you should have something better to do than criticize the people that try to keep the forums civilized)
#4. This is an online community (Shocker, See #1), it's not a democracy, there is a place called suggestions where you can make your case if you wish for something to be changed, but otherwise the rules are as they are, and nothing good can come from complaining about them (instead, make a suggestion of how to improve).

EDIT: I changed the above after re-reading my post. The point I was trying to make is now stated more clearly above. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression.

With an attitude like this, it makes me wonder why you're a mod.

[Juan_Bottom]

It has been my experience, that self-moderation would fail in a similar to the way self-policing fails in RL.

I can't speak on self-modding in the fora, but in Live chat it works perfectly well. We have too many chat mods as is. From what I've seen as a regular there, whenever anyone gets out of line everyone else gangs up on them. And if it's bad enough, we always call on a MOD anyway. I know that I've said all this before but not everyone sees all of my posts.

As well, if he wants to ask why he was banned, it should be via a pm and not the in the forums. At that point my only conclusion can be that he was trying to just get attention. If you want to get down to it, I was the one who actually saw what he wrote, and I felt it was offensive. If he wants to take it up with me, he can pm me. If you would like to continue a discussion on that line, I welcome you to pm me as well.
I just feel that creating a huge drama in the forums is not the way to deal with this.

The only way to deal with this, is to b*tch in the forums... which is something the Moderating team actually understands quite well, they just choose to play it off like they're the mature ones. No Mod has ever been overruled.
Furthermore, with respect to your ability as a Mod, you haven't yet disputed what I wrote as not being what you call racism. That's why no one respects your opinion on the matter. What I said was clearly not racist, and to infer so is offensive to me, and to the real racists... I don't deserve that. I would take it a step further and question your qualification to even be a chat Mod if you call that racism. I even asked you what you were talking about when you gave me the "warning." You didn't answer me then, did you? And now I have chat logs of people repeating what I said in acts of solidarity. None of them got so much as a warning. And It's a public display of the fact that you don't even apply your rules equally.

Actually, (@IneedmybeautysleepRed) he's requesting why you banned him, therefore you should give him the reasons why. If you'd like to become a better moderator, either you show your reasoning regardless of the possible mistakes made or continue to fail in your duties as a proper mod.

It really does tell you why you are kicked, when you get kicked from the chat windows. It really did say "Reason - You know why". I then got a PM from Insomnia about my banning, but it didn't say why I was banned either. That's when I fired the PM to her asking WTF.




Here's mine and Insomnia's entire PM history about this;
(I don't actually expect all of you to read this, I just think that if I'm gonna fight this one out then I should be transparent about it, even if the MODs aren't.)

Hello Juan_Bottom,

Your account has been issued a Live Chat Ban.

Term of ban: 72 hours

Issued by: InsomniaRed

Regards,
The Conquer Club

Don't you have to tell me why?

Not when you already know why. You were being racism and attempting to troll. I wasn't about to let it get out of hand.

What the hell.
NOTHING that I said was racist. It wasn't remotely racist. You're the racist just for seeing imaginary racism everywhere you look. I can't believe that you'd go around accusing people of being racist. You'd better screen cap it.

What the hell.
NOTHING that I said was racist. It wasn't remotely racist. You're the racist just for seeing imaginary racism everywhere you look. I can't believe that you'd go around accusing people of being racist. You'd better screen cap it.

Already got it posted in my chat mod forums. Don't you worry about. Now please stop attempting to troll me, because it won't work. Goodbye. If you continue to send me baseless PMs I can also place you on a small forum ban until you cool down. Choose wisely before attempting to spew any more erroneous accusations. This matter is closed. It is done. No further responses are needed.

And this was today's

You're acting very childish. You know you were trolling in Live Chat. You know you've been giving enough leeway in there for long enough. You should be happy this hasn't happened sooner. And you want to know how you weren't banned for racism? It was a 72 hour ban. If it had been classified as bigotry, it would've been a month. Your comments were borderline racism and were perceived by the mods on at the time to be so, and combined with your trolling before and after those comments, it was agreed upon that you needed a time out. For obvious reasons: both your borderline racism as well as your incessant spamming.

Now as for your return to Live Chat, I really hope you don't break the rules, or even try to test the mods (because that is called baiting, Juan) because your next ban is 1 week and I for one do not want the off-topics forum flooded with ridiculous threads like it currently is because of AoG's ban and because of your whining about your ban.

As for your pitiful attempt at showing what happened in chat when you got banned...you know that was a false account. Not only did you change words around, you're only showing people 1/4 of the convo, if that. Now, if those are the cheap tactics you want to use to get people on your side, by all means, go for it. You can call me an unfair mod all you want. The fact of the matter is: you were in the wrong. And all persons involved know that.

You can stop baiting me in the forums, by the way, I am not going to stoop to the level you want me at. I suggest you take a break, go for a walk, and stop getting so worked up over a 3 day chat ban. If you can't go three days without being able to annoy people in a chat room....well, that speaks for itself.

Thanks for reading this, I'm sure you'll have some delicious way of parading my PM around the forums as if that was the place for it, which it is not, so I am requesting right now that this PM stay between us. Not because I don't stand behind every word I have just said, because I do. I just think the forums need a break from all of your trolling.

Have a nice day,
-Insom

Your comments were borderline racism and were perceived by the mods on at the time to be so, and combined with your trolling before and after those comments, it was agreed upon that you needed a time out. For obvious reasons: both your borderline racism as well as your incessant spamming.

Firstly, it was not racism. You can't evidence to me, or to anyone that it was racist. You haven't disputed what I wrote down from memory. You're the racist for looking for racism and crying wolf.
Incessant spamming? You can't show me incessant spamming either. You don't know what spam is. Jesus, do they train you MODs at all?
When you say "trolling before" are you somehow talking about trolling weeks ago? Days ago? Are you holding things against me that happened long ago (and I'm not admitting to anything here)? The global Mods (the real MODs) told us in the "Free AoG thread" that you don't do that. Looking for reasons to ban people is petty Insomnia. None of you MODs gave me a single warning for trolling that night.
You gave me a public warning for racism, then banned me for trolling? You're saying in the forums that racism had nothing to do with my banning (in this Pm you describe it as a catalyst), yet I have never-ever, received a warning in chat for spamming or trolling, save when I argued with LOVO (he doesn't know what trolling is either). I've never been called a racist before either. Not even in rl!

and I for one do not want the off-topics forum flooded with ridiculous threads like it currently is because of AoG's ban and because of your whining about your ban.

And I don't care what you want. I care about fairness and justice. Each time one of you egotistical Mods makes a retarded decision the forum will get another flood of angry messages. You ever stop to wonder why? You don't let us see the evidence presented against us, and you don't involve the forum in the decision making. You just pretend to be our betters and talk down on us (like you did mocking AoG or me). The real interesting thing though is the forums that you can't see, where people actually say what they want to say.
Furthermore, the appeal process is a myth. Posting in the forums is the only action left to us. If you want it to stop, start being an ambassador of change.

As for your pitiful attempt at showing what happened in chat when you got banned...you know that was a false account.

If it was so pitiful then how come you don't have an answer for it?

Not only did you change words around, you're only showing people 1/4 of the convo, if that. Now, if those are the cheap tactics you want to use to get people on your side, by all means, go for it. You can call me an unfair mod all you want. The fact of the matter is: you were in the wrong. And all persons involved know that.

I don't even know what the hell the "other 3/4" of the convo are!!! I posted that as faithfully from memory as I could. I wouldn't have memorized anything if Darwin's didn't give me that warning.... it was so curiously stupid that it held my attention. When he didn't answer me I mistakenly assumed you told him he was out of line.

I'm not in the wrong; Or you could prove it without secret evidence and prejudices. I've been banned before (twice) and deserved it (by Clapper). I didn't make a peep about it. If knew that I was wrong here I wouldn't be calling for you to post the screen caps would I?

You can stop baiting me in the forums, by the way, I am not going to stoop to the level you want me at. I suggest you take a break, go for a walk, and stop getting so worked up over a 3 day chat ban. If you can't go three days without being able to annoy people in a chat room....well, that speaks for itself.

Most everyone in the chat room loves me, except for people like you who take their job a too seriously (in fact my popularity has gone up!). You're a 20 year old with modding powers in a single chat room. There's nothing to take so seriously as to ban me so vindictively.

I got out of you what I set out to get from you. You admit in public that the conversation I posted was faithful, and you tried to change your story as to why I was banned. I laid this outline out in a private forum. You already "stooped." The smarter a person thinks they are, the easier it is to get them talking. That's something tv villains taught me. I'm not nearly as mad as I sound, I'm just out to expose you. I have an agenda and a plan.

Thanks for reading this, I'm sure you'll have some delicious way of parading my PM around the forums as if that was the place for it, which it is not, so I am requesting right now that this PM stay between us. Not because I don't stand behind every word I have just said, because I do. I just think the forums need a break from all of your trolling.

And... you don't know what trolling is either. I'm arguing for fairness here and you're trying to demonize it with stupid buzzwords. Everything that you say I'll reserve the right to post. We can't see anything that you Mods do in private with respect to banning us. Why shouldn't I reserve this?

You don't get to have the luxury of getting a warning every time you spam, troll, bait, etc. YOU KNOW THE RULES. If you don't follow them, even once, yes, you may be kicked and then banned. It's up to you to understand that you are breaking the rules.

As for the rest of your PM...I am done arguing with you. You think YOU are so special? Come on you're an internet troll on a stupid gaming site. Just like I am a mod on a stupid gaming site. No one cares. So just deal with the consequences of your actions and get over it.

My point was that you're the only person who is calling me a troll, racist, or a spammer.
& That's probably due to the fact that:

• you don't know that those words have actual meanings
• that you take your chat job too seriously.

And I think that I'm special enough to deserve respect and fairness in the application of the rules. It should all equal the spirit of respect that I had extended to you and others.

You're the one who doesn't understand the meaning of those words ON THIS SITE.

Get over it, you were wrong. You got banned. Deal with it.

Everyone is treated the same way, you could've been anyone and the same thing would've happened.

And I clearly was not the only person to notice your actions, seeing as how I wasn't the first person to pipe up.

Swallow your damn pride and cool off. You will not gain anything from this.

[john9blue]

So what did you say that got you banned? Maybe it was misconstrued.

[Juan_Bottom]

AUSTRALIANDUDER1: man I'm tired I just got off work... I worked 6 hours today
JUAN_BOTTOM: oh, are you Chinese? (which doesn't make sense, cause I was setting up for a joke later)
DARWIN'S BANE: Juan Bottom this is a warning no more racist comments
JUAN_BOTTOM: WTF are you talking about Darwin?

no response from him, but 10 minutes later

AUSTRALIANDUDER1: Maybe I'm tired because I haven't slept for 72 hours and I'm drinking again!
JUAN_BOTTOM: Now that's Australian!!!

:JUAN_BOTTOM YOU HAVE BEEN PLACED ON A 72 HOUR BAN [REASON - YOU KNOW WHY]:

Oh, hey John, thanks for reminding me. This is what Darwin calls racism. I'm not sure what the other 3/4 of the Convo is that Insomnia is talking about, I didn't think to memorize my every word. She said in those PMs that I have a long history of trolling and spam (or at least implied spam) in Live Chat, and that I had it coming. But as I pointed out, I've never been so much as warned for trolling or spam (except when I got into a debate with LOVO, a MOD). Certainly she's never so much as given me a friendly warning. I've asked repeatedly for the screen caps, but honestly I don't think that they have any screen caps or evidence of anything. PLUS, we're coming up on day three and no one has responded to my ticket.

[blakebowling]

IMO, people need to stop reading into what is said. A post is a post, a mod is a mod, a ban is a ban, and if you don't like any of these things, keep in mind the following:
#1. this is the internet people
#2. See #1
#3. This is a gaming website (as in, you should have something better to do than criticize the people that try to keep the forums civilized)
#4. This is an online community (Shocker, See #1), it's not a democracy, there is a place called suggestions where you can make your case if you wish for something to be changed, but otherwise the rules are as they are, and nothing good can come from complaining about them (instead, make a suggestion of how to improve).

EDIT: I changed the above after re-reading my post. The point I was trying to make is now stated more clearly above. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression.

With an attitude like this, it makes me wonder why you're a mod.

Just because my name is green, it doesn't mean that I have to hold a certain set of ideas. All it means is that I help this site in some way, and have been recognized and given tools to continue my service.
Nothing changes about the person sitting behind the desk when they receive their tools and badge. The only thing that changes is the outlook that a majority of the community has on Team CC.

[Darwins_Bane]

AUSTRALIANDUDER1: man I'm tired I just got off work... I worked 6 hours today
JUAN_BOTTOM: oh, are you Chinese? (which doesn't make sense, cause I was setting up for a joke later)
DARWIN'S BANE: Juan Bottom this is a warning no more racist comments
JUAN_BOTTOM: WTF are you talking about Darwin?

no response from him, but 10 minutes later

AUSTRALIANDUDER1: Maybe I'm tired because I haven't slept for 72 hours and I'm drinking again!
JUAN_BOTTOM: Now that's Australian!!!

:JUAN_BOTTOM YOU HAVE BEEN PLACED ON A 72 HOUR BAN [REASON - YOU KNOW WHY]:

Oh, hey John, thanks for reminding me. This is what Darwin calls racism. I'm not sure what the other 3/4 of the Convo is that Insomnia is talking about, I didn't think to memorize my every word. She said in those PMs that I have a long history of trolling and spam (or at least implied spam) in Live Chat, and that I had it coming. But as I pointed out, I've never been so much as warned for trolling or spam (except when I got into a debate with LOVO, a MOD). Certainly she's never so much as given me a friendly warning. I've asked repeatedly for the screen caps, but honestly I don't think that they have any screen caps or evidence of anything. PLUS, we're coming up on day three and no one has responded to my ticket.

I have no interest in debating this publicly. If, as you claim, you only want an explanation of why I thought it was racist, you can just pm me. I'm not going to bother coming back to this thread, and I will not enable you in any way. If you want to talk, then fine, let's talk.

[greenoaks]

i don't understand the 1st one, the 2nd one is funny

also the 2nd one is not racist - australian is not a race

it is a diverse mix of people, many of whom LIKE TO DRINK

for the record i am australian and now that my hangover has worn off, i am off to pour myself a drink or 5 and cook some kangaroo steaks

[Fircoal]

IMO, people need to stop reading into what is said. A post is a post, a mod is a mod, a ban is a ban, and if you don't like any of these things, keep in mind the following:
#1. this is the internet people
#2. See #1
#3. This is a gaming website (as in, you should have something better to do than criticize the people that try to keep the forums civilized)
#4. This is an online community (Shocker, See #1), it's not a democracy, there is a place called suggestions where you can make your case if you wish for something to be changed, but otherwise the rules are as they are, and nothing good can come from complaining about them (instead, make a suggestion of how to improve).

EDIT: I changed the above after re-reading my post. The point I was trying to make is now stated more clearly above. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression.

With an attitude like this, it makes me wonder why you're a mod.

Just because my name is green, it doesn't mean that I have to hold a certain set of ideas. All it means is that I help this site in some way, and have been recognized and given tools to continue my service.
Nothing changes about the person sitting behind the desk when they receive their tools and badge. The only thing that changes is the outlook that a majority of the community has on Team CC.

If there is one thing I'd want a mod to have it's to care about the community that they serve. When you mods belittle the place that you serve saying it's "only a risk site" or it's "only the internet" you're showing you lack of care for the site which begs the question: Why are you modding?

[denominator]

Why is it allowed that the moderators in question here have not been required to submit any actual proof or evidence of Juan breaking the rules?

I've seen Juan point out repeatedly that nobody has shown him anything, with responses such as "you were trolling", "you made racist comments", or "you know what you did", yet nothing has actually been shown.

Juan has the "best" evidence here (I use the term loosely since it's simply from his memory), but the mod team hasn't shown anything otherwise. The burden of proof, in this instance as with others (even the AoG thread at least has links posted to what he was banned for) must be on the moderators.

It seems to me like the moderating team is simply stalling and debating semantics on the whole issue, waiting for the three-day ban to go by, and hoping that when the ban does end Juan will go quietly back to chat and drop the whole ordeal.

[theherkman]

I have no interest in debating this publicly. If, as you claim, you only want an explanation of why I thought it was racist, you can just pm me. I'm not going to bother coming back to this thread, and I will not enable you in any way. If you want to talk, then fine, let's talk.

Why is it fair that mods get to have their discussions where the community can't see? Why is that freaking okay? But when it is something that effects all of us as a whole you won't show him the fucking dignity and respect he deserves by answering his question? Give me a break.

[Gypsys Kiss]

I have no interest in debating this publicly. If, as you claim, you only want an explanation of why I thought it was racist, you can just pm me. I'm not going to bother coming back to this thread, and I will not enable you in any way. If you want to talk, then fine, let's talk.

Why is it fair that mods get to have their discussions where the community can't see? Why is that freaking okay? But when it is something that effects all of us as a whole you won't show him the fucking dignity and respect he deserves by answering his question? Give me a break.

Is that a request for a ban?

You seem to be mistaking this for something it is not. It is not a democracy. Yes, you have the right to be an annoying twat(and I dont mean you personally), but the owner of the site(via his Rottweilers) has the right to silence you once in a while. If you continue to stick your foot in the kennel dont be surprised when it is chewed off.

[john9blue]

I have no interest in debating this publicly. If, as you claim, you only want an explanation of why I thought it was racist, you can just pm me. I'm not going to bother coming back to this thread, and I will not enable you in any way. If you want to talk, then fine, let's talk.

Why is it fair that mods get to have their discussions where the community can't see? Why is that freaking okay? But when it is something that effects all of us as a whole you won't show him the fucking dignity and respect he deserves by answering his question? Give me a break.

Is that a request for a ban?

You seem to be mistaking this for something it is not. It is not a democracy. Yes, you have the right to be an annoying twat(and I dont mean you personally), but the owner of the site(via his Rottweilers) has the right to silence you once in a while. If you continue to stick your foot in the kennel dont be surprised when it is chewed off.

I don't think there's anything wrong with requesting a little more transparency in this site's moderation. We're not saying that we have the RIGHT to be heard, we're saying that this site may lose our business if we are not heard.

[BigBallinStalin]

Besides, everyone benefits if they understand what is racist and what isn't racist according to that mod. Keeping it in the dark to avoid looking like a mistaken [BBS edit] seems to be the current method of doing things.

Then again, who likes looking the fool in public? For some people, it takes a lot to admit that one is wrong--even on something faceless like the internet.

[Juan_Bottom]

DAY THREE AND NO ONE HAS ANSWERED MY TICKET

I guess that kinda shoots to sh*t the idea of sending in a ticket huh?

ANYWAY, I think that you all will like this part, even if you don't like this part. This could be the first case of banning in CC history that's completely transparent. Now, all I/we get from Red is:


Sure she'll PM people privatly, and say that I left out 3/4 of why I was banned, but she wont actually tell me or anyone why I was banned. A PM to Darwins_ yielded much greater results. Now, personal opinions aside for the moment, at least he had the heart to look me in the eye and tell me what he was holding against me. He are our PM's in total:

I've gotten no response from my ticket, so I'm asking you for the reason I was banned? You've read what insomnia wrote in the forums.

This is the same thing I sent to theherkman

23:13:10 ‹Juan_Bottom› You must be exhausted! Are you Chinese?
14/11/2010 23:13:19 ‹BDPuddles› no ausralian
14/11/2010 23:13:26 ‹Fldmrshl. Rhiley› ....
14/11/2010 23:13:31 ‹Fldmrshl. Rhiley› Juan that was messed up.
14/11/2010 23:13:32 ‹Juan_Bottom› Of course not... only 6 hrs what was I thinking
14/11/2010 23:13:36 ‹BDPuddles› im exhausted cause o have been awake for 2 days now lol
14/11/2010 23:13:48 ‹BDPuddles› i*
14/11/2010 23:13:51 ‹Darwins_Bane› Juan_Bottom, no need to be racist
14/11/2010 23:13:52 ‹Juan_Bottom› Now that's Australian
14/11/2010 23:14:01 * draca joins Social
14/11/2010 23:14:02 ‹Juan_Bottom› Darwins_Bane, what are you talking about?
14/11/2010 23:14:16 ‹BDPuddles› it is cause im already on the beers again lol
14/11/2010 23:14:30 ‹Juan_Bottom› BDPuddles, hi-five
14/11/2010 23:14:38 ‹BDPuddles›
14/11/2010 23:14:53 ‹Juan_Bottom› DID YOU JUST TELL ME TO TALK TO THE HAND?
14/11/2010 23:15:02 ‹Juan_Bottom› AFTER I OFFERED YOU A HI-FIVE?
14/11/2010 23:15:14 ‹draca› XD
14/11/2010 23:15:14 ‹Juan_Bottom› A HI-FIVE OF FREINDSHIP?
14/11/2010 23:15:17 ‹BDPuddles› if you wanna take it that way sure
14/11/2010 23:15:18 * tomzo46 quit (timeout)
14/11/2010 23:15:21 ‹InsomniaRed› Okay Juan_Bottom, with the racism and the intentional trolling, I gotta say...bye bye.
14/11/2010 23:15:24 ‹BDPuddles› lol
14/11/2010 23:15:26 * Juan_Bottom quit (kicked from Social by InsomniaRed - reason: you know why)

You were banned because I felt you made a racist comment about Chinese people. I was not the only person to be offended in the room. I didn't ban you immediately, and was actually beaten to banning you, but it should have been me who did so. I didn't feel the post was outright bigotry, and that's why you didn't get a really long ban. I felt it was more meant to be humorous, but came across offensive, to me anyways.