Sully's No Vanilla Mafia #1 [MAFIA WINS!]

[Drabod]

I am on. Im not sure what to say though because if I vote anyone ill be scummed if I don't ill be scummed...

Ah well, so for the moment to place my vote ill vote kernov.

However Scummy Kernov has came across which is alot, i can see the reasoning to vote for him yes, but i think his eagerness was to keep the chat alive.

Whereas Sax firstly you couldn't be bothered to post, but was still on the forums? This comes across alot more scummy than kernov. When people voted for you, you relised that you needed to start posting which is fair enough. The post above you was band wagoning simple, My vote stands

[jeraado]

'knock knock' on the door of Hades

Can Sensan come out to play weve not heard from him for nearly 7 days.

I just had a read through the posts and this is actually quite true - Sens has been posting on other mafia threads but not this one for ages. Also, reading through the old posts, Sens has been very ... brief in responses. Definitely worthy of at least a FOS.

I'd be interested to hear where violet sits voting-wise, since she is the only one not to have a vote in the mix.

Personally I really am torn on kernov, I am starting to wonder if it was just inexperience that led to the earlier suspicious behaviour, but on the other hand I would be mortified if I changed my vote and it turned out that kernov was mafia, given the major scum-tells.

So for now my vote stands, but I would like to hear some more debate on this (especially since we seem quite close to a lynching)

[VioIet]

I voted.

[jeraado]

yes, but then you unvoted and havent voted since. I would be interested to hear where you are leaning, even if you arent ready to vote yet

[VioIet]

Saxlad. But I'd prefer Victor. Er

[kernov]

I feel ive explained my posting behaviour to you all now and the majority of you actually see me for the honest town person i am.

What im finding hard to understand tho is why Saxlad has to keep the pressure on me, is he going for a easy kill or is he actually scum ? if he is scum then i would say that at least 3 of the ppl voting against me are scum; jeraado, sensfan, TheSaxlad, Flow520, edocsil. Ive so far (as you all can see from my voting) ruled out jeraado and flow.

Have i actually had a newbie stroke of luck and found our mafia's?

Now i know you all hate ppl changing there vote often but im only going to change my vote from 1 mafia to another because im sure the mafia are out to get me first and more of you beleave Sax is DEFO mafia.
UNVOTE , VOTE SAXLAD

[edocsil]

I feel ive explained my posting behaviour to you all now and the majority of you actually see me for the honest town person i am.

What im finding hard to understand tho is why Saxlad has to keep the pressure on me, is he going for a easy kill or is he actually scum ? if he is scum then i would say that at least 3 of the ppl voting against me are scum; jeraado, sensfan, TheSaxlad, Flow520, edocsil. Ive so far (as you all can see from my voting) ruled out jeraado and flow.

Have i actually had a newbie stroke of luck and found our mafia's?

Now i know you all hate ppl changing there vote often but im only going to change my vote from 1 mafia to another because im sure the mafia are out to get me first and more of you beleave Sax is DEFO mafia.
UNVOTE , VOTE SAXLAD

Your logic is called OMGUS, those who have noted for you are by no means scum. While I agree that Sax is a good target next, you are currently on the table at L-2. In a game of this moderate size that could be considered close enough for a claim, as a rookie scum could come and hammer you easily at L-1. As this is a game of rookies it might be best to play conservatively. Or wait until someone puts you at L-1, your call.

[kernov]

The intresting part of your post edocsil is that you agree that sax is dodgy in this game. But you still have your vote on me using this
''vote kernov

One way or another that is going to get the game moving a bit now...''

Prove im wrong in my thinking about you and sax by voting with some logic rather than just to get the game moving. Unless your helping out a team mate of course

[sensfan]

But we think kernov is SCUMMIER.

[kernov]

Whos the 'we' the mafia!

[Flow520]

Ok, so kernov is at L-2,now what?

That's what i find really weird about the kernov waggon. Umm, aren't you guys supposed to be pressing for a claim, or trying to convince the others to vote for him or SOMETHING?
It's like, ehm, can't really be bothered, I'll just vote the guy with the largest waggon and call it a day.
I'd say it's scummy, but you can't possibly ALL be scum, so it's probably a combination of scummy and lazy.

Anyway, I'm pretty neutral about kernov, he, saxlad and edocsil have all been slightly scummy, and this is day 1, so, yeah ...

But please guys, decide if you're serious about pursuing him or not.

This is what:

Ok, so kernov is at L-2, now what?
(...)
But please guys, decide if you're serious about pursuing him or not.

Maybe this will help:
Just some interesting quotes:
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Ok lets start things I vote VOILET as im sure shes a imposter

I'm hoping this was just a joke...
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I would change my vote to you OOicon for playing the inexperience card

An OMGUS?
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Been thinking about this, Unvote , Vote Flow520

Thought we meant to post/chat the whole point of this game. And i dont like bullies either. Flow you put yourself in the spotlight picking on ppl .

I propose we all vote Flow520 he's scum lets lynch him.

Wow. She put herself in the spotlight picking on people? ... And what are you doing exactly?

Also, bullies? Are we reading the same thread?

And calling for a lynch this early? A little desperate to survive first day are we?

unvote vote kernov

AND

Been thinking about this, Unvote , Vote Flow520

Thought we meant to post/chat the whole point of this game. And i dont like bullies either. Flow you put yourself in the spotlight picking on ppl .

I propose we all vote Flow520 he's scum lets lynch him.

Wow if you weren't a n00b I'd vote for you. I think Flow was joking about staying out of the spotlight (especially since you got lynched twice in JSM, sorry).

Apearently I wasnt the only one who didnt think Flow was being a bully and that kernov was acting very scummy...
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It seems a more ppl are thinking that Saxlads approach to this game is scummy.

But you said yourself

Like i have already said i'm still unconvinced about Voting Sax , im sure he will be on soon to put the matter to rest.

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fos Sax tbh

Again with you pointing the finger at TheSaxlad without any substantive reason...

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unvote vote edocsil for changing his vote to me just to get the game going.

There's another OMGUS...

And furthermore this:

Now i know you all hate ppl changing there vote often but im only going to change my vote from 1 mafia to another because im sure the mafia are out to get me first and more of you beleave Sax is DEFO mafia.
UNVOTE , VOTE SAXLAD

Your logic is called OMGUS, those who have noted for you are by no means scum. While I agree that Sax is a good target next, you are currently on the table at L-2. In a game of this moderate size that could be considered close enough for a claim, as a rookie scum could come and hammer you easily at L-1. As this is a game of rookies it might be best to play conservatively. Or wait until someone puts you at L-1, your call.

Hmmm, more OMGUS from kernov...

@Haggis_McMutton So you are currently the only one to not have a vote cast right now...

@kernov I think it's about time you gave us a role claim...

[Haggis_McMutton]

Nice analysis, and kernov's last displays of OMGUS-ness have made him the favourite candidate in my eyes as well(with saxlad still coming next).

However, as has been pointed out, bringing kernov to L-1 is not a great idea, so I'm also awaiting the resolution of this wagon.
A claim seems necessary, kernov.

[sensfan]

Ok guys. Just to let you know that I will be more active fro now on. Just been busy these days and haven't been able to contribute.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Hm... kernov I agree w/ Haggis. You're currently at L-2, and no claim, and no one else seems to be doing anything about it. At first you didn't seem too scummy to me, just eager, and that's why I didn't hop on your BW, but you not answering this makes you shady. Claim or I'm gonna vote for you.

-Tails

[Commander9]

Not sure there's much to say what others haven't yet. I still think that there are several people scummier, but if he wants to save his ass now, he has to claim.

[kernov]

Sorry for the delay but i wasnt expecting the role claim bit so looked into it a bit, as i dont really want to say.

I seem to be in trouble here not knowing all the roles but i suspose if i dont say i will be defo voted out. So i will keep it as brief as possible but im the town investigator, which i take to mean i can investigate dead townies for there role and true allignment . I was sort of hoping this becomes apparent night time.

Really hope this helps

[sensfan]

kernov, you should known what your role means!
'I seem to be in trouble here not knowing all the roles' --> Does that mean you can't fakeclaim?
The role here is very interesting, I'm not sure I can still believe him. How about you guys?

[kernov]

What i mean is as this is my first game i dont know many of the roles available. So finding it hard comparing how good my role is.
Hope that makes more sense.

[VioIet]

So Kernov, you are a town investigator?

There is something I don't understand though. Usually an investigator type role is known as the cop or detective. In online mafia, its usually called cop. During the night, cops can investigate someone who is alive.

Why would you be able to investigate dead townies? The only way I understand a role such as that working, is if when someone is lynched, we do not find out their role. And if that is the case, I thought there would be an announcement about that. Unless there was and I missed it. So in that case, my vote stays on the mod.

[kernov]

Hi Violet from my limited knowledge on the subject the cop is a superior part than my role . I do stress its dead townies, after reading your thoughts im now thinking this role maybe a bit of a lame duck .

[Haggis_McMutton]

Why would you be able to investigate dead townies? The only way I understand a role such as that working, is if when someone is lynched, we do not find out their role. And if that is the case, I thought there would be an announcement about that. Unless there was and I missed it. So in that case, my vote stays on the mod.

Yeah, usually the role is revealed, which means we have an easy way of seeing if kernov is telling the truth.

If the role of whoever we lynch is revealed, then he is lying cause his role would make no sense. If it isn't revealed he is likely telling the truth cause it would make no sense for scum to claim such a role when they would have no way to know if the mod would reveal roles upon death or not.

Given this i don't think it makes much sense to lynch him now.

As I've been saying next scummiest is Saxlad imo.
Hasn't posted in 2 pages, last two posts were:

My actions were I had to vote for someone and kernov seemed the most scummy.

That is my reasoning, I am trying to find a scum from everyone, and failing. If anyone has a better idea who to vote for then please air your thoughts.

Why exactly did you HAVE to vote for someone? it's not obligatory you know ...
Also the second sentence sounds like: "Hey, if you guys want another waggon, I'll happily switch, no prob", not exactly the most town-friendly attitude.

Kernov DID seem the most scummy to me, and I think we can learn from his death.

IF kernov gets lynched and is Scum then people like you 00 are shot directly into my spotlight
however if he is town, although I am town then you have a greater reason to vote me.

Dont vote kernov to jump onto the bandwagon, vote him because his lynch will provide the most substantial information.

He's accused of bandwaggoning and instead of giving reasons for his actions he just says kernov seemed scummiest ... yeah

I believe Sax is already at L-2, so I'm not voting for him yet. But you'd better provide some explanations Sax.

[edocsil]

Hi Violet from my limited knowledge on the subject the cop is a superior part than my role . I do stress its dead townies, after reading your thoughts im now thinking this role maybe a bit of a lame duck .

The role is quite useful actually. It looks like allegiance and role will not be revealed on death, and you ability will give us the info we need to play the game. On the other hand if you are lying we will be able to tell after today's lynch.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Hi Violet from my limited knowledge on the subject the cop is a superior part than my role . I do stress its dead townies, after reading your thoughts im now thinking this role maybe a bit of a lame duck .

The role is quite useful actually. It looks like allegiance and role will not be revealed on death, and you ability will give us the info we need to play the game. On the other hand if you are lying we will be able to tell after today's lynch.

I thought the same, until I re-read:

Sorry for the delay but i wasnt expecting the role claim bit so looked into it a bit, as i dont really want to say.

I seem to be in trouble here not knowing all the roles but i suspose if i dont say i will be defo voted out. So i will keep it as brief as possible but im the town investigator, which i take to mean i can investigate dead townies for there role and true allignment . I was sort of hoping this becomes apparent night time.

Really hope this helps

Maybe Sully has a janitor-type character floating around here. Even if a role is revealed upon lynch or night death, we might not know if he is or isn't telling the truth. idk, food for thought. I mean, if we learn a role tomorrow, then I'm automatically finding kernov suspicious, but I think a well-played janitor could try that to divert attention.

My actions were I had to vote for someone and kernov seemed the most scummy.

That is my reasoning, I am trying to find a scum from everyone, and failing. If anyone has a better idea who to vote for then please air your thoughts.

Why exactly did you HAVE to vote for someone? it's not obligatory you know ...
Also the second sentence sounds like: "Hey, if you guys want another waggon, I'll happily switch, no prob", not exactly the most town-friendly attitude.

QFT. I'm pretty cautious by nature, so I don't recklessly vote for someone (except D1 joke vote of course). I can't say the same for sax, but that is kinda scummy. If he is at L-2, then I'll just FOS him. However I would like to hear a good defense from him, or I will vote on him.

-Tails

[edocsil]

Well I said if I was satisfied with kernov, I would take a look at sax. He is at L-2 so I will leave it at a FOS for now. And tails thanks for pulling up that quote, I thought I was going to have to go fishing for it.

[jeraado]

Sorry to show my ignorance, but what does a janitor character do?