San Francisco Mafia- Aage, Safari and Kernov Win!!!

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Victor (4): edocsil, drabod, aage, lildan
Flow (1): kernov
Edocsil(1): dazey

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch

[sensfan]

Ok firstly Daze, plz do not use act dramatically as if you are insulted.

[edocsil]

Just F***** Off some of ya'll. Instead of insulting me, why don't ya'll answer the d*** questions, and actually try to move this game along.
Aint nothin a joke. Unfortunately though I only got as far as the cops did, but I'ma still be workin.

More or less sums up my thoughts on the double kill stuff. Too powerful. The SK would have a greatly increased chance of winning.

How ya know there a serial killer? Mebbe cuz ya is one?

Vote edocsil

Dazy, tell me do you think that the zodiac killer is a SK? Perhaps he is a friendly town vig?

[dazerazer]

Hell yeah, he the Serial Killer!!! Friendly town vig my a**

Do blood, death and gore sound friendly to you? There will be more.How about a mask and long blade? LMAO!!
Well mebbe it do sound friendly to you cuz you the mob.



Its obvious we gots two mobs and a third party serial/zodiac killer. Now why we only gots two deaths last night- i dunno. Should been three deaths. The fact that there two mobsters dead means.. well.. ummm.. like, I thinks the Zodiac Killer don't care who he kill- he just want everyone dead. In fact I thinks the zodiac killer may be responsible for both the deaths last night- so he do get a double kill. Kinda. Its obvious from the story.
I know Vio well, she's my best gurlfriend and CC friend, and lemme tell ya, knowin her she prolly do be puttin clues in the story. That's why Ima read the story real good and keep tryin to solve that zodiac.
Besides vio was so excited about the story, LOL gurlie.

So if you read the story, you can tell the zodiac killer was watchin everythin and he set up the secret mobster meeting so that he could get one of the mobsters separate to kill him while arrangin for another mobster to kill the traitor.

Therefore, I do thinks this zodiac killer is more a threat than anyone else right now.


And LMAOROFL, that picture was funny as hell. AHAHAHAHA. And yeah even I have to admit the zodiac killer loook just like Victor. But it aint Victor. Victor aint in the mob. And he aint the zodiac. Just trust me on that one, m'kay.

And sens, I'ma drama queen. I"m diva. Born with it baby. AHAHAHAHAHA

[aage]

Please tell me this is a joke, dazerazer. There isn't actually a way to encrypt and/or decode text using a Zodiac mechanism that is widely known, is there? If so, explain to me how you got the E,S,C, (I suppose A,P,E are next? ), or quit joking.

FoS dazerazer

Have you tried adding the letters I,O,D,L as well ? just an idea

I was thinking the same, lol


Anyway. I think that if Dazerazer manages to get anything out of the zodiac riddle (I'm understanding it's some sort of puzzle, please PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong) we should not ignore that. With two mafia gone I think we've got more than enough time on our hands. Even with poisoners or delayed kill mechanisms. If the zodiac yields us anything we're happy, if it doesn't we'll lose a part of an advantage we never should have had balance-wise.

FoS Karelpietertje. I believe it to be pretty farfetched to even consider that Daze might be tricking us on the zodiac. If it doesn't get us anything we'll ignore it, if it does get us anything we'll act accordingly and if that goes bad we'll ignore it anyway. If it goes horribly bad we might start considering she hasn't been honest about the riddle but I don't see a reason not to trust.

As on Daze herself, I think you're overreacting towards Edoc'sil about the serial killer thing. He wasn't the first to mention it yet you're picking him out. Why?

[dazerazer]

Ya'll must not be readin. Edoc directly addressed me. So I be answerin his question. I aint pickin on him. But I do think he the mob. And Victor aint.

Dazy, tell me do you think that the zodiac killer is a SK? Perhaps he is a friendly town vig?

I aint overreactin either. Why the hell would the zodiac be a friendly town vig??!! That made me spit my tea out. Funny as hell.
If you be sayin somethin like that, you gunna be asked bout it. Plain and simple.

[edocsil]

Ya'll must not be readin. Edoc directly addressed me. So I be answerin his question. I aint pickin on him. But I do think he the mob. And Victor aint.

Dazy, tell me do you think that the zodiac killer is a SK? Perhaps he is a friendly town vig?

I aint overreactin either. Why the hell would the zodiac be a friendly town vig??!! That made me spit my tea out. Funny as hell.
If you be sayin somethin like that, you gunna be asked bout it. Plain and simple.

It was sarcasm. You got after me cause I assumed Mr. Z was a SK. To prove it ridiculous to assume otherwise I jokingly suggests the he could be a town vig.

[Victor Sullivan]

rofl nice avvy Sully. trying to tell us something?

No

[Commander9]

*sighs* I'm not around for a day and half and the whole place goes to mess - what's wrong with you people?

Vote Flow for the same reasons as I've voted him Day 1. I'm still thinking it was a slip and as I've not seen any better leads at this moment, I'll stay here.

[Mass Miracle]

Merry Christmas everyone! I am with Commander9....I vote Flow.

[edocsil]

Merry Christmas everyone! I am with Commander9....I vote Flow.

It's alive!! Gotta bold bro.

[Drabod]

Reading through sullys posts, i think we can see he has the jester role, I believe hes trying to confuse us all at the moment because his goal is to get lynched at a later game round and not now.......

[Flow520]

Vote Flow for the same reasons as I've voted him Day 1.

Oh, the same bad reasons as before eh? Do we really need to spend several pages re-quoting past arguments about why you are barking up the wrong tree?

[Commander9]

Oh, the same bad reasons as before eh? Do we really need to spend several pages re-quoting past arguments about why you are barking up the wrong tree?

I do consider my reasons more than valid and if I'll be reduced to quoting everything from the past and stating my case all over, I shall.

[edocsil]

Oh, the same bad reasons as before eh? Do we really need to spend several pages re-quoting past arguments about why you are barking up the wrong tree?

I do consider my reasons more than valid and if I'll be reduced to quoting everything from the past and stating my case all over, I shall.

Probably should, you are the accuser.

[Gabriel13]

Vio, update on votes? Daze, please stop typing in that color. I'm having a hard time reading it.

[Gabriel13]

I agree Edoc. He probably is. Vote Flow

[edocsil]

I agree Edoc. He probably is. Vote Flow

What what do agree with me on? That commander is accusing flow? Did you mean someone else?

[Commander9]

I agree Edoc. He probably is. Vote Flow

What what do agree with me on? That commander is accusing flow? Did you mean someone else?

I think he misunderstood what you've said.

Okay, Edoc, this is what I've posted before and will stand with:

I do a joke vote on him and he flips out and starts one baseless accusation after another.

You can also include his wild reaction to my joke vote and a quick defence that he put up along with the accusations. Could this have been a fateful slip? Obviously, we don't know yet, but I would be interested in what flow has to say

As I've pointed as well, there are few others that I do find suspicious, but I haven't seen anyone better for lynching as flow at this moment.

[Flow520]

Well Commander9, that's a well laid argument if I ever saw one...
Let's clear things up. Following is a re-hash of Commander9's argument from many pages past.
So this is the post that Commander9 is going to stand with:

You can also include his wild reaction to my joke vote and a quick defence that he put up along with the accusations. Could this have been a fateful slip? Obviously, we don't know yet, but I would be interested in what flow has to say

If one backtracks before this post to find the sequence of events leading up to this "wild reaction" (which Commander9 does not take the time or care to specify) one would find the following:

Directly after Night 0, I note surprise that no one died. Commander9 jumps on with a (I hope joking) nonsensical response.

Interesting that no one died the first night. Let me be clear, I'm very happy about it, it's that with a group of prisoners on the loose and a mafia to boot I'm just really surprised.

Vote Flow.

You already started to skim and it's just Day 1. Is that A NEW RECORD?

Of course a brief glance at the first page reveals that no one died, so I posted:

Hmmm, lets see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. Did I miss anyone? I guess not. All 18 of us in a NOT DEAD state of life...
If it is a new record for skimming, it's all yours because you looked at only the 1st D1 post instead of reading back to page one to see who was alive...

Commander9 specifies that he was talking about NPC's and that it was obvious that no one died. I respond:

Obviously, the player characters are alive - that was pretty obvious as she'd have written if one would have died.

Then I take it that you are Obviously unsurprised that no player characters died...
Seems odd that you would not find it odd, unless you know something...

Commander9 responds:

Yes, because it's Night 0 - no one ever dies in night 0 as far as I know. Sheesh.

Since this discussion several people have confirmed that usually no one dies on Night 0.

Now, nothing in these post's were a "wild reaction", and what Commander9 calls "a quick defense" I call just pointing out the obvious.
From what I can tell, Commander9's "joke vote" was based off of his statement that I was skimming.

Vote Flow.

You already started to skim and it's just Day 1. Is that A NEW RECORD?

But seriously, who like's being called a skimmer by someone who is obviously skimming whilst making their claims against you?
Can we move on now please?

[Flow520]

I do a joke vote on him and he flips out and starts one baseless accusation after another.

Also, I for one would really like an accounting of all my "flipping out" and "baseless accusations" against you... It shouldn't take you long as the list is nonexistent...

[VioIet]

Vote Count

Victor (4): edocsil, drabod, aage, lildan
Flow (4): kernov, commander9, mass miracle, gabriel
Edocsil(1): dazey

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Special Mod Note: Even though mass didn't bold, and gabe didn't bold the whole thing, I will give them some leeway for being new. But normally the votes wouldn't count. I will simply count them to get the game moving a bit.

Also remember to unvote. Edoc, that's why some of your votes were ignored on Day 1. I figured you were experienced enough to know. And edoc wasn't the only one, there were a few others. The unvote also has to be in bold.

[edocsil]

Vote Count

Victor (4): edocsil, drabod, aage, lildan
Flow (4): kernov, commander9, mass miracle, gabriel
Edocsil(1): dazey

With 16 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Special Mod Note: Even though mass didn't bold, and gabe didn't bold the whole thing, I will give them some leeway for being new. But normally the votes wouldn't count. I will simply count them to get the game moving a bit.

Also remember to unvote. Edoc, that's why some of your votes were ignored on Day 1. I figured you were experienced enough to know. And edoc wasn't the only one, there were a few others. The unvote also has to be in bold.

Gah, what is this unvoting business, I never require it in mine. No problems, will comply.

[FiestyLion]

VOTE FLOW for being a sneaky snake.

[Commander9]

Sure Flow, why not? I'll go from the very beginning...

Interesting that no one died the first night. Let me be clear, I'm very happy about it, it's that with a group of prisoners on the loose and a mafia to boot I'm just really surprised.

Your first rather interesting point - no one usually dies as latter you're told. You've been around longer than I have and yet you don't know? Surprised much?

Then I take it that you are Obviously unsurprised that no player characters died...
Seems odd that you would not find it odd, unless you know something...

After a few joke votes, you suddenly get serious - and attack me with an argument of no basis.

vote lildanbaasman just cuz. Also because of Mr. Van-Damme in your avi. Which movie is that from?

Also Flow, generally Night 0 there are no deaths. It kinda defeats the purpose of joining if you don't get to post because you get a random NK on you.

-Tails

I'm just curious then, what was the point of asking us to send in Night 0 actions?

Again, you've been long enough to know. If you didn't, perhaps a bit too curious for killing? Then something even more interesting pops out:

I actually had the same mind-messup as Flow; except I concluded myself that killings in night 0 would be mean to the killed people, and there must be liberal night actions.
After the explaining that was done, I think you should have understood it immediately.

I feel like you were a bit afraid to admit to such a little mistake, hence the playing dumb.
Also I feel like a true pro-towner wouldn't mind about that; FoS Flow

Truth of the matter is that I thought since no one died night 1 that I had a pretty good idea of who the mafia's intended target was.
Considering my role is much less useful to town if I get outed (especially this early on), let's leave it at that shall we.

After some rather good logic from Karel, feeling under the heat really fast, you make a claim. Not a good one, but just to get enough attention of you? Furthermore, you state that you knew that intended target... How?

Both me, Daze and Jeraado make rather good questions, yet you do not answer any of them. After all that, you finally come up with some rather lame excuse:

Truth of the matter is that I thought since no one died night 1 that I had a pretty good idea of who the mafia's intended target was.
Considering my role is much less useful to town if I get outed (especially this early on), let's leave it at that shall we.

I'm going to have to leave it at this. To say anything more would seriously reduce town's chances of winning.
Granted, I expect the mafia will come out of the woodwork and press for a lynch, and at L-1 I'll probably cave and give out more detail which will just make it easier for the scum to kill us all. But you'll probably still not believe me and I'll have the satisfaction of saying I told you so after you all lynch me. Oh well.

Even though language is not perfect, Daze also raises perfectly good questions:

Okie dokey ya'll, this is nonsense.

Where did Flow say he was bulletproof? I read all his post and I don't see that anywhere? Where ya'll be gettin that from?
Also, ain't only Godfather's bulletproof. So ya'll saying Flow is the godfather. Yet because he's the GodFather, ya'll don't wanna to vote him. What kinda sense is that????

And FOS all those who be sayin the case against Flow is weak.
FOS Aage
FOS Edocsil

Ya'll both trying to disprove some obviously suspicious behavior from Flow.
Which means, if Flow the mob, you both the mob too.
If Flow ain't the mob, ya'll both are still the mob.

Flow Stated
He knows who the mafia intended target was
How do you know that?? Ya'll just can't be letting somethin like that slide. That's how the mob gets away. You just don't say somethin like that in a mafia game. It's somethin the mob would say.
You betta start spillin soon....

I see nothing suspicious about Jeraado. He one of the few makin sense in here!

Then something even better comes up:

This does not sate that I know who the mafia intended target was. It states that, based on my assumption that a group of prisoners and mafia were on the loose N0, that if they had failed in their N0 NK, then and only then would I have a good idea of who the intended target may have been.

How on Earth would you be able to safely assume about the target? People (most of them, anyways) start without knowing anyone elses roles, so that means Mafia would be picking randomly. The only way for you to be able to safely "assume" that if you're hiding something.

By this logic if you lynch me you will find that I am town, and the "We" that you are refering to as collaborating would also likely be town. Conversely the "obvious" pair of you and Kernov will appear decidedly not town for pressing so hard for the lynch when more experienced players are screaming at you that I'm not scum. Go ahead, dig your own graves... Regardless of if you and Kernov are town or scum, your arguments are just going to get you lynched, and rather quickly...

Wait, wait, wait - let me get this straight: you are saying that just because more experienced agree with you there's no case? What if (*surprise* *surprise*) they would be aligned with you and it would make sense for them to defend you?

Some people do BW you rather fast, but most of them rather new and you're much more experienced - that's why my scumdar has been pointing towards you. The BW definitely does look rather scummy, but I still consider that you've slipped and now you are just being tried to be bailed out. While all of this doesn't make you a definite scum, as I've already said, from everyone still around, I do feel you've got the strongest case.

As I've said in the past - 4 most scummiest players in my eyes - LSU, Sensfan (has been around, but not posting here), Flow and lilbad.

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VOTE FLOW for being a sneaky snake.

Well, usually one probably would expect more reasoning than you've just put here.Your behaviour hasn't been all that well either - lots of posting, not a lot of content. You wanted a quick lynch Day 1 and you're doing the same again. Scummaring?

FoS on JudahsLion.

Also FoS aage for defending Flow a bit too hastily and posting this:

I think you will agree with me that in this case Flow is assuming that if the mafia had a NK during night 0, he himself was the target (since he is bulletproof...), otherwise there would be no reason to have an idea on who the target would have been. Except if he were the mafia himself, in which case he's an idiot and should've PM'd VioIet. Since I don't like to think people are idiots before having evidence for it I stay with my first theory.

What? Why would he assume that he was a target? Doesn't make any sense?