[GO] Double Trouble Spoils

[Qwert]

"by Mr_Adams on Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:51 pm

I'm not saying don't implement it. it's a fine idea! But what happens in this situation? Does the bonus effect the territory twice, or just once? if you turn two cards for a territory, as we have established is, in fact, possible, is it •2 or •4. That's all I want to know!"
Theoreticaly-if other say,that its possibile that you have two same card(maybe someone can provide image of these), and ofcourse you will get 2x biger armies- but if you manage to get 2 set, then effect its almost same in all others spoils (esc,Flat) when you play in small maps- for nukes,can be opposite,because you can kill yours territroy also.
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number example-you have 10 troops in some territrye in doodle-manage to kill opponent and take hes cards-and then you need to have yours troops in these territry,what you have 2 time same name-with first cash yours 10 troops become 20 troops-with second cash yours 20 troop become 40 troops(double every time), i hope that these give you some answer?

[greenoaks]

if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2

[Mr_Adams]

if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2

Thats what I'm getting at. Not 2 separate cashes, but one cash with 2 of the same card. •3 sounds good.

[Darwins_Bane]

I feel like this has reached a good point in its discussion.Stickied.

[Qwert]

oh, in one set you had 2 card with same name?

"if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2"

No,its same when you cash same territory in two set-you forget how bonus add:

-qwert cashed in a group of Bohemia, Prussia, and Bohemia give double troops on these territory
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia

Well these is small example-if you have 10 troops on bohemia- and like you say have set on 2 same card with same name, then yours troops will increase 2 time.
First card give you 20 troops (10x2) and second card give you 40 (20x2), not 3x like you say.

[greenoaks]

oh, in one set you had 2 card with same name?

"if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2"

No,its same when you cash same territory in two set-you forget how bonus add:

-qwert cashed in a group of Bohemia, Prussia, and Bohemia give double troops on these territory
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia

Well these is small example-if you have 10 troops on bohemia- and like you say have set on 2 same card with same name, then yours troops will increase 2 time.
First card give you 20 troops (10x2) and second card give you 40 (20x2), not 3x like you say.

but you are not cashing them one after the other.

if they are in the same set the action will take place at exactly the same time therefore both cards will put the same amount on the terit

[Qwert]

oh,i think that i understand what you mean, but then these is only regular one time double,if you cash in same time 2 card with same card. Need some tehnician who will explane how many combination you can have with these card option.

[emelar]

test

[TheForgivenOne]

test

Point of this being...?

[Woodruff]

""by rdsrds2120 on Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:01 pm
I'm scared of this being really luck based. If you think about it, this could give you more troops in 4 rounds than flat rate ever could - and the reason for not playing flat rate is the luck dependency.""

Luck? if you have 5 cards,and dont hold any territory with card name-you will get zero troops when you cash cards.

And you don't think that would be a factor of luck?!??! This setup would be as luck-based as nuclear spoils, which are embarrassingly luck-based.

[Qwert]

well many thing its based on luck-if you play escalating-some players had luck to cash in 3 cards,and some player need to get all 5 to have cash. I dont see any problem with that.
In flat rate,some player get luck to cash two three time in row three diferent colour,and some player get all red cards,again these is luck, because you dont have influence on cards.
But here you can have influence on bonus cards,because you have advantage to change card value,and actively increase your bonus value. This setup are half luck -based,because if you not reinforce,take or deploy on territory who you have same card name,then these can be big mistake,not luck based.

[Queen_Herpes]

I like new spoils options. Another great suggestion by qwert!

[PLAYER57832]

quert, you come up with a lot of great ideas, but I think this has too much potential to skew things.

[Qwert]

"Queen_Herpes on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:31 pm
I like new spoils options. Another great suggestion by qwert!"
thanks

"PLAYER57832 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:57 pm
quert, you come up with a lot of great ideas, but I think this has too much potential to skew things."
what you mean to skew things?
and im qwert,not quert

[Qwert]

more voters please

[TheForgivenOne]

If you can get a little bit more support, I will move this into Submitted. Currently 55-45 is not enough to be submitted (In my opinion, if another Sugg mod thinks otherwise, I will back his decision)

[Qwert]

Ok,fair enough, lets stay more in these area.
Please more voters need.

[Queen_Herpes]

Such a cool idea. Hopefully we get a new spoils option, whether its this one or poker spoils, or meteor spoils, or...

[blakebowling]

If you can get a little bit more support, I will move this into Submitted. Currently 55-45 is not enough to be submitted (In my opinion, if another Sugg mod thinks otherwise, I will back his decision)

IMO, if it's going to be an option, and has at least 50% support of the community, and there isn't any debate / changes still going on. It's good enough to be submitted. Either way, nothing could hurt to get some more opinions.

[Qwert]

yep,people dont debate, its quite nice explane, and its can not hurt to have another card option, and people like to have many diferent option to play.

[riskitall25]

I didnt read the middle three pages of this thread so sorry if this has already been said but what if the spoils that each player held were visible to everyone, thus helping alleviate the luck factor to an extent (obviously there will be times when the game swings massively based on the territory name of a card but some people may like that). Personally I probably wouldnt play many games of this type as I'm a bit of a traditionalist but I think the ideas got merit for progressing the CC community in general

[Qwert]

i must say that you dont have option for any kind of cards to be visible for everyone.

[Catarah]

with these settings wayyy too much depends on what spoils you get(luck), how many troops you can fort there(in unlimited how many countries are connected, and in other settings how many turns you had before you had to cash in), etc.

instead of concerning yourself with your opponent the only thing you'll be worrying about in this game is how to position your own troops.

your argument that other options and settings also depend on luck does not work. even though you depend on luck, even in nuke spoils you can build strategies around which cards you get, when you can cash in, etc. yet with this gametype, the ONLY strategy will be to pour all of your troops on the one or two cards you happen to own(or conquer one of the cards and pour all your troops in there.)
when a new option only adds random luck into the game, and makes it completely monotone - leaving basically only one strategy to win, then its a bad suggestion. sorry.

[Qwert]

i dont understand why some people think that more diferent unique card option ,need to be bad, and what its best here,its that nobody force you to use these set for play. Its same like maps, people avoide to play maps who dont like.
Personaly i dont like to play in No spols games, but i play in other options-escalating,flat rate.
Everybody have some favorite settings.
Now i give strategy ,what probably can hepend, and one day,if these be implemented,then we can give much full answer on strategy in these settings card

[Gillipig]

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